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Amazing Yorkies 07-15-2013 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by tricia208 (Post 4271567)
This may not matter to you at this point but Bailey should not have died from Coccidia. The only way a puppy will succumb to Coccidia is their immune system is already compromised. Did you do a necropsy? The comment about Bailey's liver may be the problem. I would ask my vet if there is a possibility that Bailey had other health issues. This information will only help when dealing with the breeder.

You and your vet did everything you could. Something else was preventing Bailey from fighting off the Coccidia. I hope the breeder corrects this situation. I know there is no way to replace all that you have gone through and the expense.

1st of all, I want to let you know how sorry I am for your loss!
I agree, Bailey had to have other issues.

lillymae 07-15-2013 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by tricia208 (Post 4271567)
This may not matter to you at this point but Bailey should not have died from Coccidia. The only way a puppy will succumb to Coccidia is their immune system is already compromised. Did you do a necropsy? The comment about Bailey's liver may be the problem. I would ask my vet if there is a possibility that Bailey had other health issues. This information will only help when dealing with the breeder.

You and your vet did everything you could. Something else was preventing Bailey from fighting off the Coccidia. I hope the breeder corrects this situation. I know there is no way to replace all that you have gone through and the expense.

Absolutely a pup with no other health conditions can die from Coccidia, especially a pup too young to be away from it's mother as the stress alone can be all it takes to weeken a pups immune system .Once this happens the Coccidia can go crazy throughout the pups body in the liver, kindeys, heart and brain & is why it's so important to take your puppy for a full exam & stool check ASAP after it's brought home.

MauiGirl 07-15-2013 10:24 PM

Oh no, I am so very sorry to hear that little Bailey has passed. I'm sending big hugs to you and your family, and deep sympathy for the loss of your little guy.

sruss220 07-16-2013 03:43 AM

Thanks guys for your well wishes and advice. I have no doubt of his being a pure yorkie. Both parents were on site . So, is it suggested that a necropsy is done to check for other things? I honestly cant afford to keep adding to the bill if there is a chance she will not be held responsible. Maybe I should just sadly accept a replacement and move on :(
Can she be held responsible for the coccidian or no?

tricia208 07-16-2013 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by lillymae (Post 4271588)
Absolutely a pup with no other health conditions can die from Coccidia, especially a pup too young to be away from it's mother as the stress alone can be all it takes to weeken a pups immune system .Once this happens the Coccidia can go crazy throughout the pups body in the liver, kindeys, heart and brain & is why it's so important to take your puppy for a full exam & stool check ASAP after it's brought home.


Thanks for making that point since I probably stated it poorly. It appeared for sruss220's post that Bailey was brought in for an initial check up, that all preventive measures were taken and treatment was started. If caught and treated early and absent any immune deficiencies including stress, Bailey should have responded to the medication. There is that window of time when puppies are removed from their mothers that can cause serious stress eventually causing death sometimes with few serious symptoms. Bailey was getting proper care, appeared socialized and the vet mentioned some "liver" issues.

Great feedback. Thanks for keeping me on my toes.

sruss220 07-16-2013 05:08 AM

Getting nowhere with the breeder. She insists that she will NOT cover any vet bills and that I need to switch vets and question his use of the albon. She says the offer to replace him still stands. I have requested that my registration papers and health guarantee be put in the mail and she agreed. I'll keep my fingers crossed that she will send those items to me.

bchgirl 07-16-2013 06:36 AM

You should really review the specifics regarding the sc puppy lemon law. It is only applicable to registered dogs, the compensation amount is capped at 50% of the purchase price and the dog's remains sent to Clemson university.
The most you could possibly recoup if breeder refused then the court could award you two times the purchase price.
Unfortunately I suspect the necropsy and shipping his body would likely exceed that.
http://lovabulldog.com/site/mobile?u..._Laws.php#2852

I'm so sorry. Wishing you the best

barkleylove 07-16-2013 07:26 AM

My vet used Albon on one of my pups who developed coccidia after the stress of coming home and she was just fine. If this breeder/greeder is so knowledgeable about coccidia then why didn't she treat your puppy before it left her home or at least warn you about having your puppy tested asap by your vet? I would check into small claims court and what your chances are of winning your case and if there is any cost. Years ago my parents put a down payment down on a camper and were told verbally that if they changed their minds they could get their money back. Well, they changed their minds, the person wouldn't give them their money back so they took them to small claims court and they won. You may not get everything back because there is a limit but it it were me I would do it.

Teresiana 07-16-2013 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by barkleylove (Post 4271822)
My vet used Albon on one of my pups who developed coccidia after the stress of coming home and she was just fine. If this breeder/greeder is so knowledgeable about coccidia then why didn't she treat your puppy before it left her home or at least warn you about having your puppy tested asap by your vet? I would check into small claims court and what your chances are of winning your case and if there is any cost. Years ago my parents put a down payment down on a camper and were told verbally that if they changed their minds they could get their money back. Well, they changed their minds, the person wouldn't give them their money back so they took them to small claims court and they won. You may not get everything back because there is a limit but it it were me I would do it.

I completely agree with this. Sounds like a cop out that would not hold up in a court of law. Your vet did what was necessary in the midst of a medical emergency. Your "breeder" is not a licensed medical professional. Who cares what medication she prefers??

MauiGirl 07-16-2013 09:15 AM

I definitely would not accept another dog from this "breeder". There may be other genetic defects in the other pups. Sadly I also feel that you will get nothing but frustration by pursuing reimbursement for the purchase price or vet costs.

If I were you, I'd try to move on and learn from this experience. Obviously someone who sells a sick puppy at 9 weeks for $200, with pending CKC reg. is not even close to being a reputable breeder. I think you need to be prepared to pay $800-$1200 average for a healthy, AKC registered, 12 week old pup, from a breeder that provides a health guarantee and contract at the time of purchase.

I am so sorry for the heartache you and your son feel, and for the big hit on your bank account. It is a very hard way to learn how to buy a pup, but you can certainly share your experience with others to help avoid similar mistakes.

Sammy Mommy 07-16-2013 09:24 AM

I'm so very sorry. Sending hugs to you and your family. Rest in Peace, sweet little Bailey.

MCRoberts 07-16-2013 09:43 AM

The limit for small claim court in SC is $7500.00, filling the claim against the breeder will cost you 80.00 and you can include that cost in your claim.
The only way to stop those irresponsible breeders is to hit them were it hurts, "in the pocket". Once it cost them money to be negligent then they will think twice to sell sick puppies or too young just to get another couple hundred's quick. I also bought my 1st puppy for 2000.00 , sick and 4000 more a week later on vet bills. I have insurance now for her, and looking back I should have taking her to court and sue her down to her underwear for being negligent, but that is what a puppy mill is all about...:mad:

gemy 07-16-2013 10:11 AM

One more post. I am not a lawyer, but I do know that many provinces and states have legal aid available. Also I would definitely talk to the vet with the print out of SC puppy lemon laws, and ask his opinion on what recourse of action that you have. The vet should be familiar with these laws.

You have suffered a grievous loss, and in grief, it is hard to do and to pursue a legal action.

I nor anyone here can advise you like a lawyer and or your vet can about what remedies are available to you under the South Carolina law.

My lay persons' understanding of that law in SC, seems to indicate that you do have some remedies available to you, if you wish to pursue this.

I how ever would urge you to post your story, with the breeders kennel name and full personal name, addy, phone number etc, on all web based reporting agencies.

Better Business Bureau, Yelp, etc. This would be beneficial for other would be buyers

gemy 07-16-2013 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 4271785)
You should really review the specifics regarding the sc puppy lemon law. It is only applicable to registered dogs, the compensation amount is capped at 50% of the purchase price and the dog's remains sent to Clemson university.
The most you could possibly recoup if breeder refused then the court could award you two times the purchase price.
Unfortunately I suspect the necropsy and shipping his body would likely exceed that.
http://lovabulldog.com/site/mobile?u..._Laws.php#2852

I'm so sorry. Wishing you the best

Also dogs capable of being "registered" with any recognized registry. I would imagine that although CKC is reprehensible in the States they probably would recognize this registry, if only because it is infamous.

chachi 07-16-2013 10:25 AM

It is not a common thing that a pup dies of coccidia I would get a hand written statement from your vet with his beliefs that something else was going on to take with you to small claims court


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