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TxVicki 07-15-2013 04:02 PM

Oh my goodness I am so very sorry for your loss of swwet Bailey. You did every thing you could for him.

RIP Bailey.

Sending out hug's to you,

dawn27 07-15-2013 04:06 PM

Oh No, I am so very sorry. That poor sweet little baby. You did all that you could and that is all anyone can expect you to do. RIP Bailey ! :animal-pa

gemy 07-15-2013 04:26 PM

I am so very sorry for your loss of your wee boy.

Fitness of registered companion dog or cat for sale; definitions; certifications; remedies.

It would seem that there maybe some financial remedy for you under the pet lemon laws for your state.

I do urge you to investigate this with your vet. In fact your vet should in my opinion have already gently counselled you about this.

yorkiemini 07-15-2013 04:28 PM

So sorry. You can feel good that you did everything that you could for Bailey and we applaud you for your caring!

I know it is very difficult for young children to deal with these losses. Blessings to all of you!

barkleylove 07-15-2013 04:35 PM

So very sorry to hear your little Bailey didn't make it. Poor baby :( If I were you I would take that breeder to small claims court and sue her for the cost of your pup and the vet bills. She should be held responsible for selling you a sick puppy and for selling that puppy at 9 weeks old. Did you have a necropsy done to rule out or confirm any genetic issues?

gemy 07-15-2013 04:37 PM

I just want to say for all purchasers, that you never leave the breeders home without signed paperwork. At the minimum a contract of sale. Which by the way you should have already printed out the pet lemon laws in your state, and then you can insure said contract falls in line with those laws.

Better still the contract should have already been sent ahead to you, for your perusal and examination by your lawyer.

If the dog is registered that means the parents are, and you should demand at the minimum copies of the registration paperwork, if the breeder is with-holding paperwork of registration until you submit proof of spay/neuter.

Once again I am deeply sorry for your loss.

lisaly 07-15-2013 04:57 PM

I am deeply sorry for your tragic loss. In Bailey's very short life, he knew what it felt like to be loved. He already left footprints on your heart, and you fill never forget him.

YorkOfTheShire 07-15-2013 05:03 PM

I'm so sorry for your loss; you did everything you could for little Bailey.

sruss220 07-15-2013 05:47 PM

Can anyone counsel me on how to hold this breeder responsible. Here is what I can share.

*Pup was listed on the Greenville Kijiji pet section website
*Pup was listed as 8 weeks..registered..and guaranteed health
*pup was listed at $350 and she said she would take $200
*I visited her home where I purchased Bailey and was told he was the last of the litter and had been held back due to ringworm treatment
*I contacted her the next day to inquire as to why I received no paperwork. Keep in mind I had my kids with me and was a little overwhelmed and excited.
*She said the registration papers but had to resubmit them and she would mail them to me when they came in and I could pay to register them online
*I never got anything written about the health guarantee-I am a first time breeder buyer and didn't realize this was a "written" thing.
*I have yet to receive anything from her
*I have all of our corrospondance since it was instant messages through facebook
*She admitted that her dogs tested positive for coccidia four days after I got bailey-her dogs had diarrhea
*She said she wouldn't help with the vet bills because I used albon instead of marquis as she requested ...my vets use albon
*She has offered to replace Bailey but my vet advised against it because her kennel has coccidia in the environment
*My puppy was bought on Wednesday July 4 and went into the vet for coccidia on the next Wednesday and was on IV from Thurs. to today when he passed
*She will no longer respond to my requests that she assist in vet bills after admitting that her dogs tested positive as well.

**Any help is appreciated guys!! I have dipped into our house down payment money to cover vet bills and I am no more able to cover these bills than she is!!**

sruss220 07-15-2013 05:51 PM

also...should I contact her before filing in small claims against her to give her the opportunity to do the right thing or just do it? I have to put a stop to her selling coccidia ridden pups!! She only had two dogs tested and she said only one tested positive. However, my vet says they will all eventually get infected.

lovespandp 07-15-2013 06:42 PM

I'm so sorry- you did everything you could. I'm glad you are going against her. Shame on her- she needs to be stopped. I wish you all the luck, the good will always win (( hugs)) to you and your family.

ChibiLuv 07-15-2013 07:54 PM

Sorry to hear about this! I have never heard of coccidia being that severe! Did they test him for other stuff too? I would wash everything you had him on and your clothes in bleach just in case before getting another dog.
Read some of the stickies on YT about buying a yorkie and what to look out for- that breeder had a lot of red flags- here's a good one:
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/fea...ead-first.html

for future reference a healthy purebred yorkie will probably cost you at least $800, I would be very skeptical of anything listed for less because a true breeder spends much more money on the health of her puppies, parent dogs, testing, and health they don't list them for this much to make money, they are simply recouping costs of care usually

lainacohen 07-15-2013 08:21 PM

I purchased Winnie for $350 but she is not a purebreed she is a yorkie/russel mix. To me even that was a bit cheap. I am not a lawyer so I dont want to speak out of turn but if I were you I would mention that I was contacting an attorney and plan to take legal action against her. Remind her that you have all of the emails in regards to your pup. Is the health guarantee mentioned in any of those emails? If so I would highlight and forward that to her. I would also get signed paperwork from your vet stating that if one pup was infected all pups would be so accepting another puppy as compensation would not be adiquet bring that to court with you because this will be her only leg to stand on. Also speak with your vet about this. Make sure they know that you are attempting to gain monetary compensation from the breeder for the vet bills and see if they will work with you on putting off some of the payments until after the court case

capt_noonie 07-15-2013 08:55 PM

I am very sorry for your loss. I agree with the others, you should contact your breeder (and I use that term loosely) and tell her you are aware of the puppy lemon laws in your state.

Even if you do not have a contract, can you at least print out the ad. Take her to small claims court, or Judge Judy!

tricia208 07-15-2013 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sruss220 (Post 4270957)
**UPDATE**
My boys and I had come to the conclusion that as long as the Lord put fight in him then we would trust the Lord. He decided to take my sweet Bailey at 4pm today. The vet said he thinks there may have been liver issues or something more but they couldn't get blood from his little veins. My Bailey is in the arms of a loving God who's reasons I don't understand. My son is absolutely devastated! I messaged the breeder with the news and got a simple Im sorry. We spent 6 days here and 5 at the vets with 24 hour care. I don't understand this!!!!!!!


This may not matter to you at this point but Bailey should not have died from Coccidia. The only way a puppy will succumb to Coccidia is their immune system is already compromised. Did you do a necropsy? The comment about Bailey's liver may be the problem. I would ask my vet if there is a possibility that Bailey had other health issues. This information will only help when dealing with the breeder.

You and your vet did everything you could. Something else was preventing Bailey from fighting off the Coccidia. I hope the breeder corrects this situation. I know there is no way to replace all that you have gone through and the expense.

Amazing Yorkies 07-15-2013 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tricia208 (Post 4271567)
This may not matter to you at this point but Bailey should not have died from Coccidia. The only way a puppy will succumb to Coccidia is their immune system is already compromised. Did you do a necropsy? The comment about Bailey's liver may be the problem. I would ask my vet if there is a possibility that Bailey had other health issues. This information will only help when dealing with the breeder.

You and your vet did everything you could. Something else was preventing Bailey from fighting off the Coccidia. I hope the breeder corrects this situation. I know there is no way to replace all that you have gone through and the expense.

1st of all, I want to let you know how sorry I am for your loss!
I agree, Bailey had to have other issues.

lillymae 07-15-2013 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tricia208 (Post 4271567)
This may not matter to you at this point but Bailey should not have died from Coccidia. The only way a puppy will succumb to Coccidia is their immune system is already compromised. Did you do a necropsy? The comment about Bailey's liver may be the problem. I would ask my vet if there is a possibility that Bailey had other health issues. This information will only help when dealing with the breeder.

You and your vet did everything you could. Something else was preventing Bailey from fighting off the Coccidia. I hope the breeder corrects this situation. I know there is no way to replace all that you have gone through and the expense.

Absolutely a pup with no other health conditions can die from Coccidia, especially a pup too young to be away from it's mother as the stress alone can be all it takes to weeken a pups immune system .Once this happens the Coccidia can go crazy throughout the pups body in the liver, kindeys, heart and brain & is why it's so important to take your puppy for a full exam & stool check ASAP after it's brought home.

MauiGirl 07-15-2013 10:24 PM

Oh no, I am so very sorry to hear that little Bailey has passed. I'm sending big hugs to you and your family, and deep sympathy for the loss of your little guy.

sruss220 07-16-2013 03:43 AM

Thanks guys for your well wishes and advice. I have no doubt of his being a pure yorkie. Both parents were on site . So, is it suggested that a necropsy is done to check for other things? I honestly cant afford to keep adding to the bill if there is a chance she will not be held responsible. Maybe I should just sadly accept a replacement and move on :(
Can she be held responsible for the coccidian or no?

tricia208 07-16-2013 04:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lillymae (Post 4271588)
Absolutely a pup with no other health conditions can die from Coccidia, especially a pup too young to be away from it's mother as the stress alone can be all it takes to weeken a pups immune system .Once this happens the Coccidia can go crazy throughout the pups body in the liver, kindeys, heart and brain & is why it's so important to take your puppy for a full exam & stool check ASAP after it's brought home.


Thanks for making that point since I probably stated it poorly. It appeared for sruss220's post that Bailey was brought in for an initial check up, that all preventive measures were taken and treatment was started. If caught and treated early and absent any immune deficiencies including stress, Bailey should have responded to the medication. There is that window of time when puppies are removed from their mothers that can cause serious stress eventually causing death sometimes with few serious symptoms. Bailey was getting proper care, appeared socialized and the vet mentioned some "liver" issues.

Great feedback. Thanks for keeping me on my toes.

sruss220 07-16-2013 05:08 AM

Getting nowhere with the breeder. She insists that she will NOT cover any vet bills and that I need to switch vets and question his use of the albon. She says the offer to replace him still stands. I have requested that my registration papers and health guarantee be put in the mail and she agreed. I'll keep my fingers crossed that she will send those items to me.

bchgirl 07-16-2013 06:36 AM

You should really review the specifics regarding the sc puppy lemon law. It is only applicable to registered dogs, the compensation amount is capped at 50% of the purchase price and the dog's remains sent to Clemson university.
The most you could possibly recoup if breeder refused then the court could award you two times the purchase price.
Unfortunately I suspect the necropsy and shipping his body would likely exceed that.
http://lovabulldog.com/site/mobile?u..._Laws.php#2852

I'm so sorry. Wishing you the best

barkleylove 07-16-2013 07:26 AM

My vet used Albon on one of my pups who developed coccidia after the stress of coming home and she was just fine. If this breeder/greeder is so knowledgeable about coccidia then why didn't she treat your puppy before it left her home or at least warn you about having your puppy tested asap by your vet? I would check into small claims court and what your chances are of winning your case and if there is any cost. Years ago my parents put a down payment down on a camper and were told verbally that if they changed their minds they could get their money back. Well, they changed their minds, the person wouldn't give them their money back so they took them to small claims court and they won. You may not get everything back because there is a limit but it it were me I would do it.

Teresiana 07-16-2013 07:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by barkleylove (Post 4271822)
My vet used Albon on one of my pups who developed coccidia after the stress of coming home and she was just fine. If this breeder/greeder is so knowledgeable about coccidia then why didn't she treat your puppy before it left her home or at least warn you about having your puppy tested asap by your vet? I would check into small claims court and what your chances are of winning your case and if there is any cost. Years ago my parents put a down payment down on a camper and were told verbally that if they changed their minds they could get their money back. Well, they changed their minds, the person wouldn't give them their money back so they took them to small claims court and they won. You may not get everything back because there is a limit but it it were me I would do it.

I completely agree with this. Sounds like a cop out that would not hold up in a court of law. Your vet did what was necessary in the midst of a medical emergency. Your "breeder" is not a licensed medical professional. Who cares what medication she prefers??

MauiGirl 07-16-2013 09:15 AM

I definitely would not accept another dog from this "breeder". There may be other genetic defects in the other pups. Sadly I also feel that you will get nothing but frustration by pursuing reimbursement for the purchase price or vet costs.

If I were you, I'd try to move on and learn from this experience. Obviously someone who sells a sick puppy at 9 weeks for $200, with pending CKC reg. is not even close to being a reputable breeder. I think you need to be prepared to pay $800-$1200 average for a healthy, AKC registered, 12 week old pup, from a breeder that provides a health guarantee and contract at the time of purchase.

I am so sorry for the heartache you and your son feel, and for the big hit on your bank account. It is a very hard way to learn how to buy a pup, but you can certainly share your experience with others to help avoid similar mistakes.

Sammy Mommy 07-16-2013 09:24 AM

I'm so very sorry. Sending hugs to you and your family. Rest in Peace, sweet little Bailey.

MCRoberts 07-16-2013 09:43 AM

The limit for small claim court in SC is $7500.00, filling the claim against the breeder will cost you 80.00 and you can include that cost in your claim.
The only way to stop those irresponsible breeders is to hit them were it hurts, "in the pocket". Once it cost them money to be negligent then they will think twice to sell sick puppies or too young just to get another couple hundred's quick. I also bought my 1st puppy for 2000.00 , sick and 4000 more a week later on vet bills. I have insurance now for her, and looking back I should have taking her to court and sue her down to her underwear for being negligent, but that is what a puppy mill is all about...:mad:

gemy 07-16-2013 10:11 AM

One more post. I am not a lawyer, but I do know that many provinces and states have legal aid available. Also I would definitely talk to the vet with the print out of SC puppy lemon laws, and ask his opinion on what recourse of action that you have. The vet should be familiar with these laws.

You have suffered a grievous loss, and in grief, it is hard to do and to pursue a legal action.

I nor anyone here can advise you like a lawyer and or your vet can about what remedies are available to you under the South Carolina law.

My lay persons' understanding of that law in SC, seems to indicate that you do have some remedies available to you, if you wish to pursue this.

I how ever would urge you to post your story, with the breeders kennel name and full personal name, addy, phone number etc, on all web based reporting agencies.

Better Business Bureau, Yelp, etc. This would be beneficial for other would be buyers

gemy 07-16-2013 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 4271785)
You should really review the specifics regarding the sc puppy lemon law. It is only applicable to registered dogs, the compensation amount is capped at 50% of the purchase price and the dog's remains sent to Clemson university.
The most you could possibly recoup if breeder refused then the court could award you two times the purchase price.
Unfortunately I suspect the necropsy and shipping his body would likely exceed that.
http://lovabulldog.com/site/mobile?u..._Laws.php#2852

I'm so sorry. Wishing you the best

Also dogs capable of being "registered" with any recognized registry. I would imagine that although CKC is reprehensible in the States they probably would recognize this registry, if only because it is infamous.

chachi 07-16-2013 10:25 AM

It is not a common thing that a pup dies of coccidia I would get a hand written statement from your vet with his beliefs that something else was going on to take with you to small claims court


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