Two week old not nursing and weak
 

I have a two week old that is not nursing today. Her mom had a c section and we lost four puppies and she is the only one to survive. She started out at three ounces and after three days at the same weight she finally started gaining. She weighs 8 ounces but today she is weak and will not nurse. My vet told me to get her warmed up and give her karo or sugar water and then get her nursing. She was breathing quick short breaths but seems to be breathing better now. I have given her some karo but she will not nurse. Her tummy appears to be full and I have some concern about her bowels. I have rubbed her bum with warm cotton and encouraged her mom to help but I have not seen anything. Please help

I live in an area where the grocery stores are closed this time of night. Do you have any other suggestion Until morning? Thank you

I was unable to get back on YT last night. How is the puppy this morning? I'll try to find you more help.

She is still with us. She is very weak and will not suckle. Her mom has milk but I can't get her to latch on. I have given her some formula with a syringe to keep her strength up. She will not suck on the syringe either but she will swallow.

She was thriving and if she was nursing you could hear her being a little piggy.
It has been very cold here but I have had her in my bedroom in a carrier surrounded by blankets. I did not have a heating pad on her. I should have given the fact that she is a single pup and now that she is older the mom has started to leave her more.

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Please continue to try to get her to potty by rubbing and massage so that she urinates and has a bm. Also, do you have access to a pet store where you can purchase Esbilac, Just Born, Goats Milk, or some similar pet formula.
Also, some nutri-stat or some type of supplement will give her the added calories to keep her going. You will just have to get a little Nutri-Stat on your finger and put in into her mouth and encourage her to swallow. Not very much at a time though. The Karo Syrup should help her with BM. I cannot use a syringe to feed the ones who won't suck. There is a big risk of strangling them and having the formula get into the lungs. I use a dropper that you can purchase at any drug store. Just the kind that you get with meds such as eye drops. Just slowly drop a couple of drops into her mouth at a time. You will have to do this every 30 minutes or so until you feel she is out of the woods and then you can do it hourly. If you are to save this one it will take a lot of effort and time on your part. If you can't do it all by yourself enlist the aid of a family member or neighbor for a few hours because it will take constant care. You do need a heating pad wrapped in a towel on low. Also a blanket completely covering her since she could get chilled from the air. I don't know if you breed and have had this occur before but I would also order some "Fading Puppy Formula" from online at "Natural Rearing". This has helped to save several weak puppies. This formula gives them enough nutrition from natural ingredients until you can get them going again and you can give it often. It doesnt go by weight of puppy and you can't give it too often. If I can help you please email me at Julianhoward@aol.com. I will be close to the internet today. Good luck and don't give up on her. She will be worth it.

Julia

I am feeding her a formula that i got from Pet Smart. Should I mix it with karo or anything?

She likes to have her head stretched up. She stretches it up on the edge of the puppy bed or fold in the blanket. Every once in a while she will cry out similar to having a dream. She does not appear to be in pain. Is this behavior normal or is something wrong?

What do I need to do to keep the mom from loosing her milk. I am praying the pup will pull through this and continue to nurse her mom.

Also get some BeneBac (probiotics) into the puppy.

I hate to be negative, but you are going to loose this baby if you do not do specific things! This baby MUST be kept in an ambient temp of 90*F....do whatever you have to do to get that done! You can go to the breeders section on here and get the ingredients for specific formulas that MUST be fed to that baby....these formulas have dense calories per cc....my formula delivers 14 - 16 cal/cc....this baby is NOT getting enough to eat!!! Do NOT depend on this baby to suckle....she is getting weaker and weaker as we speak! It is PAST time for you to TUBE FEED her...if you have to go immediately to your vet and have him show you how to do that, do it! You are at a critical stage with this tiny enfant and you have to get very active here....she is fading right in front of your face! It may already be too late, but you can not give up on her and just let her starve to death....WARM HER UP SO THAT FOOD SHE EATS WILL BE DIGESTED! Tube feed her one of the specific formulas given on this site....mine is made up from 1 can Just Born, - 6 oz of Pedialyte, 1 raw egg yolk, 1 cup cultured yogurt, 4 tbsp Dr.Millers Pet Nutra Drops....can use baby vitamins + Karo syrup for the sugar.....you warm this up and feed 1 cc/oz of body weight, EVERY TWO HOURS AROUND THE CLOCK for at least 5 days until this baby gets stronger....you can then go to every 3 hours for 3-4 days, then 4 hours......do NOT depend on momma to pee and poop this baby....YOU MUST do that....This is emergent situation....if this baby is to survive, you have got to move quickly! FORGET ABOUT MOMMA LOOSING MILK, ETC...MOMMA IS NOT YOUR PRIORITY AT THIS TIME....YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE OVER FEEDING THIS BABY FOR MOM.....

In addition to the excellent advice given above...do not under any circumstances feed a cold puppy.

Wishing you all the best with the baby.

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YOU ALSO NEED TO BE FEEDING AND PEEING AND POOPING THIS BABY, THEN PUTTING HER INSIDE YOUR BRA AND CARRYING HER AROUND IN THERE....SHE NEEDS THE STIMULATION, THE FEEL OF A WARM BODY NEXT TO HER....AND MOVEMENT AS YOU WALK. Be sure you do not drop her out thru the bottom of your bra....Have you gotten instruction on tube feeding your baby yet? Have you gotten the ingredients for the formula yet and started feeding her.....AFTER you have her warmed up.....?????

I just came back from my vet. They gave her fluid under her skin and figured the correct dose of formula to give her. They put her on an antibiotic for her lungs.

The store did not have any liver and they have ordered some for tomorrow. I have not been able to find any at any of the other stores.

Did they show you how to tube feed that baby? The correct dosage of formula, if you are giving ANY of the calorie dense formulas given by breeders that have saved many, many, many fading babies on this forum, it is 1cc per 1 oz of body weight, every 2 hours around the clock for at least 4 days. If you can not get liver, at the very least, start that baby on MY formula, which does not have liver in it......Did they say the baby had aspiration pneumonia?

They did not give me a tube to feed her with. They told me to keep feeding her the formula I had. We live in a tiny rural area and there is nothing available here except puppy formula. We were able to get some lamb liver and we have boiled it and I have syringed a tiny bit into her. Her tummy is really large and full so I am afraid to feed her much I think she will pop. I have tried to get her to pee and poop and I have not be able to get poop. She is very weak, I just gave her some karo syrup. She has at times had her mouth open gasping for air and she will cry. Do you think she is in pain.

Hold her close to you and love on her and shower her with kisses....keep talking to her, loving on her.....I dont think she is in pain....I think she is fighting to survive, fighting with every ounce of strength she has, and I think her struggle will soon be over.....I am so sorry......

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I sure wish the outcome looked brighter but I am afraid you will lose this puppy. I'm sorry.

My little Angel passed away I held her and loved her until she took her last breath.

Her beautiful mother is broken hearted and just does not understand where she has gone. I laid her next to her and let her kiss and lick her. She went with us to bury her and stood beside her grave. She keeps looking for her, oh my heart breaks just watching her. I know I let her down, I thought I was prepared for anything to go wrong especially where we live so far away from the larger cities.

What I didn't tell you was that this was my Jerzee's third and last litter. I had her with me in SLC when she went into labor on Dec 30. I had taken everything with me to the motel and was well prepared to deliver these babies. She had the first puppy (this little angel) and all was well, she was suckling immediately. The next puppy just would not come, we waited and then took her to emergency care. The second puppy was turned and appeared to be folded it was stopping the others from coming. The X-rays showed four puppies to be born in addition to the one I already delivered. They decided it was time to do a C Section and the puppy blocking the way had been dead for a day or two and was born with its little intestines on the outside. The other three were born alive but two of them had birth defects bad had to be put down. The fifth was a boy and was doing well but by the time we were taken back they were losing him, thy just could not keep him breathing even though he had a very strong heart beat.

I was devastated to say the least, I had anxiously been awaited the delivery of these babies. I was grateful to have my Jerzee alive and doing well and I felt blessed to have saved at least one. My heart was broken for the babies that we lost and totally sick about the defects they had. My local vet told me it sounded like a virus in the mom or possibly toxins had caused these problems.

We spayed my Jerzee that night and I had spayed my other momma the summer before. We were so lucky and blessed to have enjoyed the puppies throughout the years and I am going to miss loving a kissing and watching those babies grow.

God Bless all of you who are on this site to help others by sharing your wisdom and love.

RIP my little Angel and when you cross that rainbow bridge you will see your brother and sisters waiting there for you. Please give them my love and tell them how beautiful their mommy, Jerzee is.

Oh this is so sad :cry:

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I am soooo .. sorry. This is the hard part of breeding. It happens sooner or later if you do breed, even occasionally. I have rocked and held a couple of mamas too after loosing babies. God Bless You.

Julia

So very sorry

We all loose babies when we breed. It happens sooner or later. The only recourse we have, is that we prepared ourselves for every eventuality that we could think of....must have every single instrument needed to help mom deliver if necessary....must have a vet on standby to do any necessary c-sections....must have incubators set up to keep orphaned babies warm and safe....must have every single ingredient required to prepare the life sustaining formulas for babies, right there on hand.....must have a thorough working knowledge of HOW TO TUBE FEED A PUPPY, this will pull babies back from the jaws of death at least 8 times out of 10.....have to be knowledgable about giving sub-q fluids to prevent dehydration in these little babies.....you must have the IV fluyids and the syringes and needles to do this......and you MUST be comfortable with good working knowledge required to perform emergent measures, and you must have the financial means to pay for procedures YOU can not do without a license in vet medicine.... with doing whatever it takes to help these struggling babies live. You MUST be able to recognize when the situation is beginning to go from bad to emergent, and you have to be able to kick it up from "0" to 150 mph in 2.2 seconds.....you have to realize that when you have a situation with a failure to thrive baby or an orphaned litter, this is a job that requires 24/7 attention...cant take time off for school or work or tea time with the Ladies Club......you have to realize you are in a fight with DEATH, trying to keep him away from your babies, and that means probably very little or no sleep for you....breeding is exhaustive, and heart breaking....and you must be more than willing and prepared to do WHATEVER it takes, for as long as it takes, to resolve the situation...prayerfully, with a wonderful outcome and all survive. I actually talked a lady thru trying to save her baby....she was over in Saudi Arabia, ....this lady sent friends and begged people all over the Middle East and Europe, to get the supplies I told her she needed....she had incorporated at least 3 other people to help her try to save this baby, working in shifts...she learned to give sub-q fluide and she learned tube feeding from my instructions to her over the internet....she tube fed her baby and was so nervous she was shaking, but she did it and she cried joyfully when she completed the procedure...that lady almost killed herself, and several vets that saw her determination and they pulled out all the stops to help her however they could, trying to save that baby's life, and she would have pulled it off except the baby had an intestinal malformation, so that little soul was destined to return to Heaven....but this girl left NO stone unturned, going all over Europe and the Middle East, gathering required supplies....I have NEVER seen such effort and complete devotion and iron willed determinarion to save her baby.....but this is what you do when you are responsible for bringing babies into this world. I am prayerful that ANYONE that is thinking about breeding and having babies, READ everything you can get your hands on about whelping a litter...get every single instrument you need and set your area up....get everything you MUST have to feed and supplement both momma and baby after the baby is born. This is NOT something that you can go into lighthearted and unprepared, all excited and wearing rose colored glasses.....it is gut wrenching and heart breaking and it often times does not turn out well for babies or momma....THIS is breeding....for God's sake do not go into it lightly and blinded by fairy tale endings....you MUST be prepared for the worst situation...and if it all goes well, congtatulations, you get the brass ring! I am sorry about the length of this post...but these things really do affect me badly, especially when I think a baby of mine may have died because I didnt have the knowledge or the supplies I should have had, JUST BECAUSE I CALL MYSELF A BREEDER.....and every single breeder that posted on this thread over the last few days, feels the very same way, I can promise you..

I'm so very sorry for your loss... RIP Little Angel.

Somehow I knew this would not end well....so very sad RIP sweet baby.

Judy I remember the lady whose pup you tried to save...she literally jumped through hoops to try and save that baby....that too so very sad, and yet another reason why I will never breed....I leave that to the professionals.

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I have never seen anyone work as hard as she did....when I suggested she needed something, she and her friends and family, who were all over the world, went into action and left no stone unturned, to get the object to her....she had vets moving Heaven and Earth, getting solutions for her....and she got the vets behind her in her fight to save that baby....they would suggest different things to try, different diagnostics tests....it was truly amazing. And there were things I learned....like RC has their own puppy formula that is not available in this country...I have written RC corporate, asking "why cant we have this formula here".....have not really gotten any answer that I am impressed with....amazing lady, she was....I will always be awe struck with the efforts she made. And I can honestly say that even tho it hurt my soul to loose that baby, and the lady and I cried together, it was with a sense of satisfaction that there was absolutely NOTHING else that could have been done....all we needed was the Beloved, Gracious Touch from the Blessed Hand of our Lord on that precious baby's heart and soul, and, for whatever reason, He was not ready to give us that.....He makes no mistakes. so that situation was used as a lesson for many, many people.....

@Kpearson; I am sorry for the loss of your litter. At least your bitch survived.

I was awestruck reading that thread and what she did for her baby...if there was a way to move heaven and earth to save her baby, she would have done it...as you know I'm in Canada, I was praying hard for that baby, I was heartbroken when she didn't make it ....it truly was in God's hands.
Judy you are a Godsend, and I thank you for your help and guidance for those that need the wisdom of your years of experience. I have learned so much from you...Bless you for being there/here.

I am so sorry over the loss of your babies. Thankfully your sweet Jerzee survived.
I found this thread to be a very profound glimpse into the complex and sometimes heartbreaking world of breeding.

I am not sure how profound it was; but it certainly contained many lessons for those who think breeding is just a laissez-faire part of life.

Let me elaborate:

1. Don't travel with a very pregnant bitch on Dec 30th, and stay in environments that are far less than ideal .... such as a MOTEL.

2. I never have hesitated if a bitch goes over one hour with unproductive labour; off to the vet we go! And yes some books say 2hrs, some 3hrs, but I will NOT risk my bitch's life. And let us not forget the travel time to the vet, and perhaps the wait time. Also the pre heat the car stage, the arrangements for newborn pups.

3. If you have had mutiple birth deaths, a necropsy might just save the life of the remaining pup or at least tell you if there is a high likelihood of internal organ damage, and this pup will simply not make it!

4. There is quite simply no such thing as being over prepared. You need to stock up on all the supplies you need well in advance, including a puppy whelping formulae. And hey don't forget about your family, they will need to eat too; so pre stock your freezer with home made dinners that your family can microwave, while you are in the whelping room. Also don't forget yourself. I do in the winter time anyway make up a few day supply of oatmeal, that I can qquickly heat up in microwave and add fruit and nuts too for a nutritous and sustaining breakfast. Homemade soups in the fridge/freezer for lunch etc.

5. Of course let us NOT FORGET the PRE BREEDING tests that should be done; particularly STD's. Brucellosis.

6. Elimination of newborns is very important to go 36 hours without is of high concern.

:thumbup: This should be required reading for anyone ever thinking about breeding!

and it just scratches the surface....this is not just ME....this is what makes the difference between a BYB, a puppy mill and a reputable, responsible, ethical breeder. We KNOW who the daddy is...we know his pedigree forward and backward...we know which dogs behind him throw big puppies, little puppies, cotton coats, silky coats, pissy personalities, adorable little snuggle bugs, and we kow where the instances of genetic disease are hiding, waiting to be paired up with the females pedigree.....we KNOW exactly when they were bred, how long they stayed tied....we know because we planned it...and we HELD the mated pair so one wouldnt hurt the other.....then we calculated the due date....we know how to estimate "wiggle room' before the due date and the after the due date. We know how many babies we are going to have, and we know if they are positioned correctly....we know if they will fit thru the pelvic ring....and if there is any question at all, we c-section momma BEFORE we get in over our heads and risk loosing momma as well as the entire litter. We have special rooms for our mommas and babies, and a week or so BEFORE the due date, our houses go on lock down...no people running all over the house tormenting or upsetting momma....she is isolated and she is kept calm and peaceful and warm....we have all our delivery equipment that we need, right at hand....we even have things that we MAY need and never use....rather have it and not need it, than not have it at all. We do not go away and leave momma with whoever will check in on her....MAYBE....every so often....and we do not load a pregnant dog up and remove her from her known environment where she feels safe and calm....our lives are essentially relagated to "homebound" during this time....because that is what we must do to give momma and babies the best chance at survival they can possibley have. This just scratches the surface of what we all do as dedicated, devoted breeders....then there is all the details following the birth of the litter....mommas must be monitored....babies must be monitored, minute by minute.....logs kept......and if anything changes, we MOVE....we move immediately....we do not wait.....we already have EVERYTHING we need to help this enfant....and we KNOW how to do the procedures needed to keep this baby alive.... People think there is nothing to this breeding stuff...it is natural, it is instinctive and dogs do it all the time all by thmselves...I can do this and make a little money....WRONG!!! You will NOT be making money, if you are doing this right.....you MAY break even, but most likely, it is going to cost you so much.....this is NOT fun and games.....this is heart breaking and gut wrenching....PLEASE spay and neuter your pets....dont make little innocent babies and willing, innocent and devoted mommas, pay with their lives, so your kids can see the miracle of birth or so you can sell a puppy for a few silver coins.