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yorkietalkjilly 07-14-2012 11:48 AM

Hang in there. It is so hard when our baby is hurt or sick. It's constant worry and beating oneself up! I know well what you are feeling as do we all here. Keep thinking that "we can make it through today" and try not to worry beyond that. :)

heidik 07-14-2012 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly (Post 3972116)
Hang in there. It is so hard when our baby is hurt or sick. It's constant worry and beating oneself up! I know well what you are feeling as do we all here. Keep thinking that "we can make it through today" and try not to worry beyond that. :)

Thank you so much for that!!:)

felix93 07-14-2012 01:56 PM

I am in fact going through this myself, not my Yorkie but a Chihuahua girl, she jumped off me 4 weeks ago, have to rush her to the ER and in deed she has fractured her radius and ulna. She was put on soft cast that week but she went through the surgery the following week to get her leg pin up as I was told little breed have problems with fractured bones (legs) and it could became nonunion, that is having a crack with just the casts for weeks.

2 weeks after the first accident,and obviously she felt good because the pin helped to get her bones fixed and although she was on cast, vet suggested to get her walk and put weight on her leg, No problems until then, she decided to jump down from my lap, she has fractured the other front leg and was put on cast as well. No surgery this time because xrays show a very clean break. She was put on 2mls calcium med because vet suggested it's pretty rare to break another leg within a short period of time, just to play safe. She is still on the calcium med as well as Metecam.

Yesterday, 4 weeks after the surgery on her first leg, the cast was removed under sedation and she is recovering well. Her first leg healed up nicely even after just 4 weeks. Vet comment it's due to her being so young (she is exactly 11 month today).

Although the first cast was off now, vet put a soft cast (cotton wool with bandages) to give her the leg support and some balance as the other cast is still on the second injured leg. She walks around without problems and she pee and poo on peed pad like how she used to. I noticed once after the break, a few days later, my girl is more or less back to her old shelf and eating drinking fine. It is to keep her calm is the hardest because of her age, she just wants to play.

That's what I am going through right now, it's a month after the first accident, and I am hoping by August, both of her casts will be taken off. Get your vet check make sure the break is good (as good as it can be) because otherwise it will take longer to heal because of being little breed having problems with bones.

I am planning to get my girl going for hydrotherapy once her second cast is off and vet gave the hydrotherapy center an approval. Everything is already being booked, just waiting for the second leg to heal up.

I know it's hard because this is still very raw to me, but dogs can tolerant a lot of paint and a few days later, they are usually like nothing has happened and acting so like how they were before the accident. You just have to make sure she is either crate if you cannot watch her. It's calming one down is harder. I know what Yorkies are like as I have one here bouncing and jumping everywhere.

yorkieusa 07-14-2012 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by heidik (Post 3972109)
I dont think I looked at their program..I was leaning towards Healthy Paws, but they had a $100 deductable..I will make sure I look at yours before I make my decision!

Priss is having a good afternoon..She wanted in her playpen to rest, so she was in there for a while, then she went out potty.. (I put a baby sock over the end of her splint to protect her toes and keep the splint clean and away from her chewing) She is really alert this afternoon, she just gets frusterated since she cant be as active as she wants, but she is really doing well just resting...I wanted to thank everyone for their prayers and support..It really means alot!!

I'm glad she is resting. That is the best thing for her and will help her to heal. It is frustrating for them to not be able to run like the wind, but she can do that again one day when she is over this.:)

yorkietalkjilly 07-14-2012 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by felix93 (Post 3972243)
I am in fact going through this myself, not my Yorkie but a Chihuahua girl, she jumped off me 4 weeks ago, have to rush her to the ER and in deed she has fractured her radius and ulna. She was put on soft cast that week but she went through the surgery the following week to get her leg pin up as I was told little breed have problems with fractured bones (legs) and it could became nonunion, that is having a crack with just the casts for weeks.

2 weeks after the first accident,and obviously she felt good because the pin helped to get her bones fixed and although she was on cast, vet suggested to get her walk and put weight on her leg, No problems until then, she decided to jump down from my lap, she has fractured the other front leg and was put on cast as well. No surgery this time because xrays show a very clean break. She was put on 2mls calcium med because vet suggested it's pretty rare to break another leg within a short period of time, just to play safe. She is still on the calcium med as well as Metecam.

Yesterday, 4 weeks after the surgery on her first leg, the cast was removed under sedation and she is recovering well. Her first leg healed up nicely even after just 4 weeks. Vet comment it's due to her being so young (she is exactly 11 month today).

Although the first cast was off now, vet put a soft cast (cotton wool with bandages) to give her the leg support and some balance as the other cast is still on the second injured leg. She walks around without problems and she pee and poo on peed pad like how she used to. I noticed once after the break, a few days later, my girl is more or less back to her old shelf and eating drinking fine. It is to keep her calm is the hardest because of her age, she just wants to play.

That's what I am going through right now, it's a month after the first accident, and I am hoping by August, both of her casts will be taken off. Get your vet check make sure the break is good (as good as it can be) because otherwise it will take longer to heal because of being little breed having problems with bones.

I am planning to get my girl going for hydrotherapy once her second cast is off and vet gave the hydrotherapy center an approval. Everything is already being booked, just waiting for the second leg to heal up.

I know it's hard because this is still very raw to me, but dogs can tolerant a lot of paint and a few days later, they are usually like nothing has happened and acting so like how they were before the accident. You just have to make sure she is either crate if you cannot watch her. It's calming one down is harder. I know what Yorkies are like as I have one here bouncing and jumping everywhere.

We don't know how much they can tolerate - all we know is they often don't show all but the most acute or unexpected pain(such as when you pull one's hair when brushing them and they yelp). Dogs are stoic animals, genetically predisposed to not show pain for fear of attack by other dogs or predators or abandoned by their pack. So just because they are not showing a lot of pain and acting as normal as possible, they could still be really hurting.

I'm just mentioning this in response to your post not from anything you said you did but only for so many new people that might read this thread in the future that don't always give dogs the pain medicine they need because they are jumping up on the couch the day after surgery or something. For a dog, that is no more activity than for us to walk the night of abdominal surgery - except we don't mind showing our pain when we do it. Dogs, though, don't usually show a lot of pain unless it is fresh or a very, very serious & stabbing injury(fresh dislocation) or advanced serious disease process. Dogs with compound fractures or even sudden amputations over an hour or two old can act almost normal!!! Stepping down off my soap box! :D

Yorkiemom1 07-14-2012 06:39 PM

Did they cast it or splint it? Was the break complete or a hairline fracture? I would be concerned with her activity on a leg they had to do a closed reduction on, then splinted....you dont want her to tear around when she starts feeling better and cause the alignment to displace....I am thinking they put a cast on it....I would just watch her activity level....she will start to feel better soon and you KNOW how active and rambunctious they can be!

felix93 07-15-2012 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly (Post 3972366)
We don't know how much they can tolerate - all we know is they often don't show all but the most acute or unexpected pain(such as when you pull one's hair when brushing them and they yelp). Dogs are stoic animals, genetically predisposed to not show pain for fear of attack by other dogs or predators or abandoned by their pack. So just because they are not showing a lot of pain and acting as normal as possible, they could still be really hurting.

I'm just mentioning this in response to your post not from anything you said you did but only for so many new people that might read this thread in the future that don't always give dogs the pain medicine they need because they are jumping up on the couch the day after surgery or something. For a dog, that is no more activity than for us to walk the night of abdominal surgery - except we don't mind showing our pain when we do it. Dogs, though, don't usually show a lot of pain unless it is fresh or a very, very serious & stabbing injury(fresh dislocation) or advanced serious disease process. Dogs with compound fractures or even sudden amputations over an hour or two old can act almost normal!!! Stepping down off my soap box! :D

I fully understand, furries truly don't show much if they are in pain or not, but pain med is very needed. My girl, after a month now, is still on pain med. My vet did stop it in between but I have to start given that to her again after last Friday when her cast was taken off.

After the first surgery, my girl was put on morphine as well as Metecam for just over a day, can imagine the pain she was going through even she didn't make a noise or show it.

heidik 07-15-2012 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1 (Post 3972422)
Did they cast it or splint it? Was the break complete or a hairline fracture? I would be concerned with her activity on a leg they had to do a closed reduction on, then splinted....you dont want her to tear around when she starts feeling better and cause the alignment to displace....I am thinking they put a cast on it....I would just watch her activity level....she will start to feel better soon and you KNOW how active and rambunctious they can be!

It was a complete break and they did splint it for now. She goes back to the dr Tuesday. I am keeping her activity limited to potty breaks. She walked a little this morning through the living room and wanted to lay in her playpen, so I put her bed back in there and gave her her pain meds. She rested much better last night than Friday night, but I could tell she was in pain this morning.

yorkietalkjilly 07-15-2012 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by felix93 (Post 3972601)
I fully understand, furries truly don't show much if they are in pain or not, but pain med is very needed. My girl, after a month now, is still on pain med. My vet did stop it in between but I have to start given that to her again after last Friday when her cast was taken off.

After the first surgery, my girl was put on morphine as well as Metecam for just over a day, can imagine the pain she was going through even she didn't make a noise or show it.

That is so encouraging that most of today's vets allow pets to have pain medicine. As a child I recall our family pets and even my first dogs as a young adult were sadly never ever given pain medication when released for home after injury. Even on YT today I have read that some members say their vet says pain is "good" as it helps keep the animal quiet after injury or surgical procedures!

I remember when Jilly dislocated her shoulder jumping down her doggy stairs, her emergency vet said she didn't need pain medication for home use post-reduction/casting because her heart rate wasn't elevated and that "told" her that Jilly wasn't hurting!!! That was in 2003 at an Emergency Clinic in North Dallas! Unbelievable. She finally did send us home with some that wasn't terribly strong but it did stop Jilly's restlessness and "help me" look that she would give me when something bad was bothering her while not knocking her out for hours. I would give her some medicine and she would relax and not give me "that" look, her ears would come back up after 30 minutes or so.

Why would a vet think that a dislocated shoulder would not still hurt 2 days after the injury? What does she think happens to still-injured/still-freshly torn tissue (and the inflammatory process that follows) that stops transmitting pain signals along the nerves to the brain in canines? (She couldn't answer that question back then - just said Jilly not showing signs of acute pain.)

It amazes me that because dogs mask so much of their pain after the shock of the original injury that so many assume they just no longer hurt somehow - that their injured & swollen tissue miraculously just doesn't transmit pain signals along the nerves - or if it does, the canine brain somehow blocks it after some period or other. Yet they have no evidence to back it up that I have seen. I wish they would come up with something to prove dogs don't hurt post-injury/post-operatively - it would make a lot of us feel better about all those dogs out there injured or hurting right now with no one to care for their pain! Just think of the lost and abandoned dogs on the street right now - it would sure make me feel better to KNOW they weren't really hurting!

felix93 07-15-2012 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly (Post 3972719)
That is so encouraging that most of today's vets allow pets to have pain medicine. As a child I recall our family pets and even my first dogs as a young adult were sadly never ever given pain medication when released for home after injury. Even on YT today I have read that some members say their vet says pain is "good" as it helps keep the animal quiet after injury or surgical procedures!

I remember when Jilly dislocated her shoulder jumping down her doggy stairs, her emergency vet said she didn't need pain medication for home use post-reduction/casting because her heart rate wasn't elevated and that "told" her that Jilly wasn't hurting!!! That was in 2003 at an Emergency Clinic in North Dallas! Unbelievable. She finally did send us home with some that wasn't terribly strong but it did stop Jilly's restlessness and "help me" look that she would give me when something bad was bothering her while not knocking her out for hours. I would give her some medicine and she would relax and not give me "that" look, her ears would come back up after 30 minutes or so.

Why would a vet think that a dislocated shoulder would not still hurt 2 days after the injury? What does she think happens to still-injured/still-freshly torn tissue (and the inflammatory process that follows) that stops transmitting pain signals along the nerves to the brain in canines? (She couldn't answer that question back then - just said Jilly not showing signs of acute pain.)

It amazes me that because dogs mask so much of their pain after the shock of the original injury that so many assume they just no longer hurt somehow - that their injured & swollen tissue miraculously just doesn't transmit pain signals along the nerves - or if it does, the canine brain somehow blocks it after some period or other. Yet they have no evidence to back it up that I have seen. I wish they would come up with something to prove dogs don't hurt post-injury/post-operatively - it would make a lot of us feel better about all those dogs out there injured or hurting right now with no one to care for their pain! Just think of the lost and abandoned dogs on the street right now - it would sure make me feel better to KNOW they weren't really hurting!


I think here in the UK any good vet would give pain relief to the patients although I have read some UKers comments they'd never got any pain relief injection or Metecam to take home after a very simple normal neutering procedure. From ER to my regular vets, I was given at least 4 bottles of Metatcam to take home because they'd rather me having more than enough pain relief than not having for my Chi girl.

Any injuries would hurt like hell. The "scream" of my girl did will always stay with me for the rest of my life.

I don't know how OP little dog fracture leg is but I hope the vet would check the xrays to make sure the fractured bones can be just put a splint on for a few weeks without surgery. A LOT of Yorkies (& Chihuahuas) I know of haven't had the surgery with pins and plates to fix to the position takes a lot longer for the bones to heal. It's just because little dogs for some reasons are well known having non union bones after a break. There are 2 types of casts too, one is quite heavy for little dogs but they are bone solid and dogs can walk on it like normal and that's the best to secure the bones to heal up even with any movement. The other one is just lots of cotton wool and bandages, the fracture bones can still move slightly if not careful or the dog is not being crated. The bones can still heal eventually, but that means it takes a lot longer which sometimes is not necessarily if we help out little one to choose the best option in the first week or 2.

heidik 07-15-2012 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by felix93 (Post 3972760)
I think here in the UK any good vet would give pain relief to the patients although I have read some UKers comments they'd never got any pain relief injection or Metecam to take home after a very simple normal neutering procedure. From ER to my regular vets, I was given at least 4 bottles of Metatcam to take home because they'd rather me having more than enough pain relief than not having for my Chi girl.

Any injuries would hurt like hell. The "scream" of my girl did will always stay with me for the rest of my life.

I don't know how OP little dog fracture leg is but I hope the vet would check the xrays to make sure the fractured bones can be just put a splint on for a few weeks without surgery. A LOT of Yorkies (& Chihuahuas) I know of haven't had the surgery with pins and plates to fix to the position takes a lot longer for the bones to heal. It's just because little dogs for some reasons are well known having non union bones after a break. There are 2 types of casts too, one is quite heavy for little dogs but they are bone solid and dogs can walk on it like normal and that's the best to secure the bones to heal up even with any movement. The other one is just lots of cotton wool and bandages, the fracture bones can still move slightly if not careful or the dog is not being crated. The bones can still heal eventually, but that means it takes a lot longer which sometimes is not necessarily if we help out little one to choose the best option in the first week or 2.

My vet actually sent Prissy's xrays to a specialist in Charlotte and consulted with him on treatment options and they both agreed that this would be best at first and then possibly move to casting if necessary. Our vet had mentioned surgery at first, but the specialist said he didnt think it was necessary. She is staying put for the most part except for going outside to potty, so we are being extremly careful with her movements.

felix93 07-15-2012 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by heidik (Post 3972909)
My vet actually sent Prissy's xrays to a specialist in Charlotte and consulted with him on treatment options and they both agreed that this would be best at first and then possibly move to casting if necessary. Our vet had mentioned surgery at first, but the specialist said he didnt think it was necessary. She is staying put for the most part except for going outside to potty, so we are being extremly careful with her movements.

Oh thats good. I think the first couple of weeks are the hardest but after that, it's like a routine although your little one probably will wants to play again, It will be hard to calm them down when they are young, but soon 6 weeks or even 4 weeks will pass. Mine only have the cast on for 4 weeks and then she has the soft cast again, which is more like a support and balancing until the time her second cast is off.

Keep us updated. Hope everything goes well.

TinkkaSweets 07-16-2012 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Perrella (Post 3971366)
I'm so sorry Prissy got hurt:( Give her hugs from me & Zhoie xxooxox.

You rushed right to the vet and was so proactive with her care...she is a lucky little girl to have such a good mommy.

I read lots of successful stories with broken legs too...I\'m sure she will be fine.

Sending prayers for miss Prissy!

I agree with this 100%.. She is very lucky to have you!! Good luck to you and you baby!

heidik 07-17-2012 07:35 AM

Update..
 
Prissy had her first recheck today..they rewrapped the splint, said everything looked good and she will go back on friday for her first set of xrays since the accident..The vet said 4-6 weeks with the splint and to keep doing what I was doing as far as her activity goes.

She did get her third set of boosters today as well, do they typically make them feel a little puny? She got a little carsick in the car, which is normal for her, she hates to ride and I think I might have touched where they gave her her shots because she cried a little. She didnt want to eat, so I gave her a little nutrical and she wanted in her playpen, so she is there and sleeping.

Thanks again to everyone for their prayers and concern

yorkieusa 07-17-2012 02:32 PM

I\'m glad she checked out ok today. Hoping for good news when they do the x-rays. Yes, the shots do usually make them a little sluggish for awhile.


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