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roseylovestosho · 07-07-2011, 10:21 AM

Thank you

I really appreciate it!!

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Originally Posted by GoofyBritt

Wow I'm glad you finally have a diagnosis! I might have to have my vet do a scraping and see if it's that form of mange.. I'm glad it's treatable! Whew!

I'm sorry it took so long to get a diagnosis. I know it's frustrating. Good luck to you and your baby. I'm thinking of you both.

Just the eyes...but it's not like they checked his ears...actually now I wonder if he has them anywhere else?

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Originally Posted by Ellie May

Does he have just this one area (around the eyes) that looks off or are there other areas also? One area (localized) is much better. Dogs have mites. His immune system must have been or be down to allow them to take over. Is his recent blood work all good?

Ivermectin is pretty normal for demodex treatment. When we thought E may have them (tests were negative), her vet was going to put her on an immune booster also.

Could be much worse, but the question is why is his immune system down...

It is sad that a specialist was needed for this. A skin scraping is like a 20 dollar, 5 minute thing at a regular vet's office.

I am worried if he might have mites in his ears too? Should I ask my vet to check just in case???

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Originally Posted by Maximo

That is a lot of money to diagnose mange. Very frustrating. Look at this way, you have peace of mind knowing Teddy's eyes are perfect. That is priceless, and I know you feel that way.

Ellie May · 07-07-2011, 10:24 AM

Ear mites and demodex are different. You might see some abnormalities on his ear flaps. It's probably just an isolated thing. You should start seeing skin changes if they are all over (they like to hang out between toes too).

roseylovestosho · 07-07-2011, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Ellie May

Ear mites and demodex are different. You might see some abnormalities on his ear flaps. It's probably just an isolated thing. You should start seeing skin changes if they are all over (they like to hang out between toes too).

Oh, okay...got it! Thank you!

roseylovestosho · 07-07-2011, 10:46 AM

Treatment is not necessary or recommended for localized demodicosis but there are treatment options for people who simply cannot feel right about doing nothing. Goodwinol ointment, an insecticide, may be used daily to control localized demodicosis. Antibacterial gels are also used against localized demodicosis and associated skin infections. It is important to note that rubbing a creme or ointment on a demodicosis lesion can cause reddening of the lesion making it appear to get worse. It is also possible for rubbing the medication on the area to break off the weaker hairs at the margin of the lesion causing the lesion to appear to get bigger. Neither of these situations truly represents exacerbation of the disease.

Resolution of a localized demodicosis lesion should be at least partially apparent after one month though total resolution can take up to three months.

Approximately 10% of localized demodicosis cases will progress to generalized demodicosis. Enlarged lymph nodes are a bad sign -- often foretelling generalized mange.

Localized demodicosis is almost exclusively a "puppyhood" disease. When a puppy develops localized demodicosis the chance of the condition resolving is 90% unless there is a family history of demodicosis in related dogs. In this case, chance of spontaneous resolution drops to 50%.

Occasionally an adult dog develops localized demodicosis. We currently do not have good understanding of the prognosis or significance of this condition in an adult dog.

ladyjane · 07-07-2011, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Ellie May

Does he have just this one area (around the eyes) that looks off or are there other areas also? One area (localized) is much better. Dogs have mites. His immune system must have been or be down to allow them to take over. Is his recent blood work all good?

Ivermectin is pretty normal for demodex treatment. When we thought E may have them (tests were negative), her vet was going to put her on an immune booster also.

Could be much worse, but the question is why is his immune system down...

It is sad that a specialist was needed for this. A skin scraping is like a 20 dollar, 5 minute thing at a regular vet's office.

It can come out with any stress. This does not necessarily mean there is something wrong and/or any cause for alarm.

As I said, Sunny D had it and my vet prescribed Goodwinol cream. She said that is all that is needed for one localized area. She preferred that over a systemic treatment. It cleared up in about 3 weeks and he has not had an outbreak since.

Ellie May · 07-07-2011, 12:11 PM

BTW, when E was having hair loss issues (still does actually) it was her nose and her ears, so in her case it appeared ot be spreading.

OP - the protocol (of no treatment) you posted would really be something to talk to your vet about. If my adult had demodex, I would not do nothing.. I'd be concerned about spreading, so my vet would deciding what the best option was for treatment.

ladyjane · 07-07-2011, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Ellie May

BTW, when E was having hair loss issues (still does actually) it was her nose and her ears, so in her case it appeared ot be spreading.

OP - the protocol (of no treatment) you posted would really be something to talk to your vet about. If my adult had demodex, I would not do nothing.. I'd be concerned about spreading, so my vet would deciding what the best option was for treatment.

I agree....I would not go with no treatment. Talk to your vet about the different treatments.

roseylovestosho · 07-07-2011, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Ellie May

BTW, when E was having hair loss issues (still does actually) it was her nose and her ears, so in her case it appeared ot be spreading.

OP - the protocol (of no treatment) you posted would really be something to talk to your vet about. If my adult had demodex, I would not do nothing.. I'd be concerned about spreading, so my vet would deciding what the best option was for treatment.

I agree. It says that this is common in puppies and that it usually goes away on its own, but that this is different in adult dogs. I am going to the vet tomorrow regardless. It appears to be localized (only his eye) but again, I will make sure with the vet. I am not the type of person that can just sit back and wait for it to naturally go away on his own...I just wanted to know if anyone here has read this information or if they've just let it naturally take its course with puppies.

roseylovestosho · 07-07-2011, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ladyjane

I agree....I would not go with no treatment. Talk to your vet about the different treatments.

I'm glad you agree. I am not someone that can sit back and wait for it to go away naturally...I just wanted to make sure that if those of you who've had experience with mange agree that medicating is the best avenue. The optho said that intervectin or w.e it's called might be dangerous as some dogs react too strongly to it...and I'm a little cautious about this because when I gave Teddy interceptor on July 1st he was lethargic for approximately 2 days.

Ellie May · 07-07-2011, 02:02 PM

You might not need to if it can be controlled with something topical.

Since Ivermectin and Interceptor (milbemycin) are totally different drugs, there shouldn't be a problem even if your vet does decide to use it.

ladyjane · 07-07-2011, 02:13 PM

I swore I posted this, but cannot find it:

Ask your vet about the goodwinol cream. It is not a systemic treatment.

roseylovestosho · 07-07-2011, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ladyjane

I swore I posted this, but cannot find it:

Ask your vet about the goodwinol cream. It is not a systemic treatment.

You did. The thing is that the optho wrote that invectem or w.e under treatment and that might be what the vet is going to prescribe. I will defintely ask about the cream when I talk to him tomorrow.

roseylovestosho · 07-07-2011, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Ellie May

You might not need to if it can be controlled with something topical.

Since Ivermectin and Interceptor (milbemycin) are totally different drugs, there shouldn't be a problem even if your vet does decide to use it.

Really? The ophtho told me that it's basically the same medication as heartworm...maybe I misunderstood.

Ellie May · 07-07-2011, 04:50 PM

Ivermectin (Heartgard, Iverhart), milbemycin (Interceptor, Sentinel), selamectin (Revolution), and moxidectin (Advantage Multi) are all heartworm preventatives. They just are different from each other.

I think you can use milbemycin for demodex, but if going with one of these drugs, ivermectin is very common.

Pups needs heartworm meds. So if ivermectin caused a problem, then another should be tried.

roseylovestosho · 07-08-2011, 06:42 AM

I was just handed over the Ivermectin by the receptionist. The vet was apparently too busy to see me.

07-07-2011, 10:24 AM	#137
Ellie May And Rylee Finnegan Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Metro Detroit, MI Posts: 17,928	Ear mites and demodex are different. You might see some abnormalities on his ear flaps. It's probably just an isolated thing. You should start seeing skin changes if they are all over (they like to hang out between toes too). __________________ Crystal, Ellie May (RIP), Rylee Finnegan, and Gracie Boo🐶

07-07-2011, 10:46 AM	#139
roseylovestosho Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: #4 PRIVET DRIVE Posts: 1,685	What do you guys think about this? Treatment is not necessary or recommended for localized demodicosis but there are treatment options for people who simply cannot feel right about doing nothing. Goodwinol ointment, an insecticide, may be used daily to control localized demodicosis. Antibacterial gels are also used against localized demodicosis and associated skin infections. It is important to note that rubbing a creme or ointment on a demodicosis lesion can cause reddening of the lesion making it appear to get worse. It is also possible for rubbing the medication on the area to break off the weaker hairs at the margin of the lesion causing the lesion to appear to get bigger. Neither of these situations truly represents exacerbation of the disease. Resolution of a localized demodicosis lesion should be at least partially apparent after one month though total resolution can take up to three months. Approximately 10% of localized demodicosis cases will progress to generalized demodicosis. Enlarged lymph nodes are a bad sign -- often foretelling generalized mange. Localized demodicosis is almost exclusively a "puppyhood" disease. When a puppy develops localized demodicosis the chance of the condition resolving is 90% unless there is a family history of demodicosis in related dogs. In this case, chance of spontaneous resolution drops to 50%. Occasionally an adult dog develops localized demodicosis. We currently do not have good understanding of the prognosis or significance of this condition in an adult dog. __________________ Last edited by roseylovestosho; 07-07-2011 at 10:47 AM.

07-07-2011, 12:11 PM	#141
Ellie May And Rylee Finnegan Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Metro Detroit, MI Posts: 17,928	BTW, when E was having hair loss issues (still does actually) it was her nose and her ears, so in her case it appeared ot be spreading. OP - the protocol (of no treatment) you posted would really be something to talk to your vet about. If my adult had demodex, I would not do nothing.. I'd be concerned about spreading, so my vet would deciding what the best option was for treatment. __________________ Crystal, Ellie May (RIP), Rylee Finnegan, and Gracie Boo🐶 Last edited by Ellie May; 07-07-2011 at 12:14 PM.

07-07-2011, 02:02 PM	#145
Ellie May And Rylee Finnegan Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Metro Detroit, MI Posts: 17,928	You might not need to if it can be controlled with something topical. Since Ivermectin and Interceptor (milbemycin) are totally different drugs, there shouldn't be a problem even if your vet does decide to use it. __________________ Crystal, Ellie May (RIP), Rylee Finnegan, and Gracie Boo🐶

07-07-2011, 02:13 PM	#146
ladyjane Resident Yorkie Nut Donating YT 20K Club Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 27,490	I swore I posted this, but cannot find it: Ask your vet about the goodwinol cream. It is not a systemic treatment. __________________ CLOUD NINE BEDS--YORKIE HAVEN RESCUE MY ETSY SHOP

07-07-2011, 04:50 PM	#149
Ellie May And Rylee Finnegan Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Metro Detroit, MI Posts: 17,928	Ivermectin (Heartgard, Iverhart), milbemycin (Interceptor, Sentinel), selamectin (Revolution), and moxidectin (Advantage Multi) are all heartworm preventatives. They just are different from each other. I think you can use milbemycin for demodex, but if going with one of these drugs, ivermectin is very common. Pups needs heartworm meds. So if ivermectin caused a problem, then another should be tried. __________________ Crystal, Ellie May (RIP), Rylee Finnegan, and Gracie Boo🐶

07-08-2011, 06:42 AM	#150
roseylovestosho Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: #4 PRIVET DRIVE Posts: 1,685	I was just handed over the Ivermectin by the receptionist. The vet was apparently too busy to see me. __________________