Possible Sick Teacup Yorkie???

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by 1yorkie

Just wanted to keep you all updated. We took our "TEACUP" Yorkie to the Vet yesterday and very excited to report our beautiful "TEACUP" Yorkie is all better!! Vet said it was just her diet! To those of you who said I might not reply, I apologize I didn't respond immediately as I do have a life. I don't sit on YorkieTalk all day!! Oh and those of you who don't believe their is such thing as a "TEACUP"... I beg to differ!! As a matter of fact the Veterinarian pointed out, "Anything under the standard weight of a Yorkshire Terrier, would be considered a "TEACUP". Oh and you right, I haven't been on 'YorkieTalk' for a few years, now I remember why! Wink...Wink!!!

You best read the AKC Standard and the YTCA.org that sets the standard. There is no such thing as a Teacup....The Yorkshire Terrier is a Toy dog.

I would question your vet's knowledge in individual breed standards....
Taken from the YTCA website...

An Important Message About “Teacup” Yorkies
By Gale Thompson
If you are interested in purchasing a tiny Yorkie, sometimes called a Teacup,
Micro Mini, Teeny, or any other name that means “extra small”, there are
several things you should consider. The YTCA’s Code of Ethics precludes the
use of the words “teacup”, “tiny specialists”, doll faced, or similar terminology
by its members, and for good reason.

All breeders may occasionally have an unusually small Yorkie (hopefully healthy),
though no responsible breeder breeds for this trait. Many breeders prefer a
general weight range of 4-7 pounds believing that size retains desired Toy
qualities while maintaining optimum health. The Yorkie Standard states weight
"must not exceed seven pounds" and as a prospective pet owner you should
realize that even at 7 pounds, the Yorkie is still a small dog. (Females weighing
less than 5 pounds are considered by most breeders to be unsuitable for breeding.)

Special circumstances often come with extra tiny dogs. They are extremely
susceptible to both hereditary and non-hereditary health problems, including
birth defects that may go undetected for a long time. Other common
problems may include, but are not limited to, diarrhea, vomiting, along with
extra and expensive tests prior to routine teeth cleanings and surgeries.
Small ones are more likely to have poor reactions to anesthesia and die from
it. Tiny dogs are more easily injured by falls, being stepped on and being
attacked by other dogs. These health problems nearly always result in
large veterinary bills.

Please take this into consideration and make purchasing a healthy pet your top
priority, not size. The “novelty” is certainly not worth the pain, heartbreak, or
extra expense. Remember, all Yorkies are comparatively small. The most
important thing is finding a healthy puppy that will grow into a healthy adult,
especially since you looking at an 11 to 15 year commitment with your Yorkie.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by YorkieRose

AND..did your vet tell you any breeder who lets an 11 oz puppy go with or without instruction should be hung up down to get some blood to their brain so they can make wise decisions about breeding....

Leave it to you Pat.....I love it.....But, I have lived in Fontana...not sure where this pup was purchased? But, I will say there is not one reputable breeder in Fontana.....

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

You best read the AKC Standard and the YTCA.org that sets the standard. There is no such thing as a Teacup....The Yorkshire Terrier is a Toy dog.

I would question your vet's knowledge in individual breed standards....
Taken from the YTCA website...

An Important Message About “Teacup” Yorkies
By Gale Thompson
If you are interested in purchasing a tiny Yorkie, sometimes called a Teacup,
Micro Mini, Teeny, or any other name that means “extra small”, there are
several things you should consider. The YTCA’s Code of Ethics precludes the
use of the words “teacup”, “tiny specialists”, doll faced, or similar terminology
by its members, and for good reason.

All breeders may occasionally have an unusually small Yorkie (hopefully healthy),
though no responsible breeder breeds for this trait. Many breeders prefer a
general weight range of 4-7 pounds believing that size retains desired Toy
qualities while maintaining optimum health. The Yorkie Standard states weight
"must not exceed seven pounds" and as a prospective pet owner you should
realize that even at 7 pounds, the Yorkie is still a small dog. (Females weighing
less than 5 pounds are considered by most breeders to be unsuitable for breeding.)

Special circumstances often come with extra tiny dogs. They are extremely
susceptible to both hereditary and non-hereditary health problems, including
birth defects that may go undetected for a long time. Other common
problems may include, but are not limited to, diarrhea, vomiting, along with
extra and expensive tests prior to routine teeth cleanings and surgeries.
Small ones are more likely to have poor reactions to anesthesia and die from
it. Tiny dogs are more easily injured by falls, being stepped on and being
attacked by other dogs. These health problems nearly always result in
large veterinary bills.

Please take this into consideration and make purchasing a healthy pet your top
priority, not size. The “novelty” is certainly not worth the pain, heartbreak, or
extra expense. Remember, all Yorkies are comparatively small. The most
important thing is finding a healthy puppy that will grow into a healthy adult,
especially since you looking at an 11 to 15 year commitment with your Yorkie.

Excellent information for real Yorkie lovers.

[Rhetts_mama]

Originally Posted by Roxi Ree

Newbie here...just curious. What is a teapot? I've seen it alot on the board here. I'm assuming a Yorkie over 7 pounds? Also, my Roxi is 4 mos old and only weighs 1.8 pounds. Her mom was 6 pounds and her dad was 4 pounds so I just assumed she would be between 4 and 6 pounds. According to the weight charts, it looks like she'll be lucky to get to 3 pounds (Not that it will change anything. She's a part of our family now and we love her lots). I know the woman I got her from told us she would probably get to be 5 pounds but our vet says probably not. Any chance she will have major growth spurts?

Teapot is just a joke term made up here on YT to describe our larger than standard Yorkies. Some of us have Teapots, and others of us (myself included) have the whole dang tea service

[cally930]

Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama

Teapot is just a joke term made up here on YT to describe our larger than standard Yorkies. Some of us have Teapots, and others of us (myself included) have the whole dang tea service

How funny!!! Love it.

Great info everyone. But I must say.........no matter what is put in front of the OP - she definitely sounds like someone who is stubborn to learn, wants a tiny dog, as a fashion, or luxury statement, and doesn't want to hear anything other than "Wow...... you got a really tiny dog. You must have spent a lot of money for it. Let's put you on the top of the list of very important people?"

Don't worry.......... she'll be on here again looking for information once that very tiny dog gets sick again.

[mscat]

i wonder if the OP is going to feel differently if her yorkie ends up with very serious medical problems. Is she still going to think that her "teacup" yorkie is still the most greatest thing in the world, and still deny the fact that this term is only a marketing tool .
Wonder what she is going to do if and when her puppy becomes extremely ill.

[Sbyork]

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Weight
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Must not exceed seven pounds.
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. Just copied this directly from the written standard
Sparklingblu

[kjcmsw]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Not sure if this person will be on to update us. She's posted 3 times since 2008 and each time she's stated how she wants a Teacup...each time she's been told there is no such thing.

I hope this wee one has been taken to the vet. Vomiting Blood is not a good sign. Don't understand why a tiny would be left at home alone for any amount of time.

Hi Mary,
I was wondering if you could clarify not leaving a tiny at home for any amount of time. The reason I'm asking is sometimes I have to leave my dogs at home alone but they are not "tinies" (IMO), but just wondering exactly how tiny you mean. What is the safe size to be left alone in your opinion? Mine are 5 1/2-6 pounds (adult), 5 pounds (adult), and two 4 pounder's (kinda "tinies" but both are puppies: one 4 months, the other 6 months) - I've been fortunate for the last nine months to have a job that allows me the luxury of taking the pups (most of the time) but occasionally I do have to leave them home alone (pups are kept in an x-pen when left alone and the adults have most of the upper level of the house). "But" when I got my first Yorkie (she was 12 weeks/2 pounds - the now nearly 6#'er) I couldn't take her to work at that time, thus we did leave her home alone (contained in the bathroom set up safely for her). (I did take my vacation to coincide with getting her so I could be home with her everyday to help her adjust to her new home before I had to go back to work) Was that not good/was she too tiny/young to be left alone at that time? Concerned for her being alone at that time we did get her a 'friend' 3 months after getting her.
(I'm sure I'm being overly concerned, but I do hate leaving the pups in the x-pen, but sometimes it can't be helped).
Obviously, the oldest is no worse for the wear now (but I probably need something else to feel guilty about LOL)...just wondering for the future or if the pups now are too small (4#) to be left for several hours now.
Thanks

[FlDebra]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

You best read the AKC Standard and the YTCA.org that sets the standard. There is no such thing as a Teacup....The Yorkshire Terrier is a Toy dog.

I would question your vet's knowledge in individual breed standards....
Taken from the YTCA website...

An Important Message About “Teacup” Yorkies
By Gale Thompson
If you are interested in purchasing a tiny Yorkie, sometimes called a Teacup,
Micro Mini, Teeny, or any other name that means “extra small”, there are
several things you should consider. The YTCA’s Code of Ethics precludes the
use of the words “teacup”, “tiny specialists”, doll faced, or similar terminology
by its members, and for good reason.

All breeders may occasionally have an unusually small Yorkie (hopefully healthy),
though no responsible breeder breeds for this trait. Many breeders prefer a
general weight range of 4-7 pounds believing that size retains desired Toy
qualities while maintaining optimum health. The Yorkie Standard states weight
"must not exceed seven pounds" and as a prospective pet owner you should
realize that even at 7 pounds, the Yorkie is still a small dog. (Females weighing
less than 5 pounds are considered by most breeders to be unsuitable for breeding.)

Special circumstances often come with extra tiny dogs. They are extremely
susceptible to both hereditary and non-hereditary health problems, including
birth defects that may go undetected for a long time. Other common
problems may include, but are not limited to, diarrhea, vomiting, along with
extra and expensive tests prior to routine teeth cleanings and surgeries.
Small ones are more likely to have poor reactions to anesthesia and die from
it. Tiny dogs are more easily injured by falls, being stepped on and being
attacked by other dogs. These health problems nearly always result in
large veterinary bills.

Please take this into consideration and make purchasing a healthy pet your top
priority, not size. The “novelty” is certainly not worth the pain, heartbreak, or
extra expense. Remember, all Yorkies are comparatively small. The most
important thing is finding a healthy puppy that will grow into a healthy adult,
especially since you looking at an 11 to 15 year commitment with your Yorkie.

Glad you posted this Mary -- I was going to also, thinking that if she won't believe us, maybe she will believe the official Breed Club information. She might be playing silly, immature games but she may really think she knows. There are lots of uneducated people who glom on to a bit of information they think they know and then somehow feel all superior to the people who might actually be able to help them along the way. Shame on the breeder who sold her a puppy claiming it is a teacup, shame on her for selling before the puppy was 12 weeks old as also recommended by YTCA. Shame on her for not giving sufficient information to a new puppy owner and putting herself at her disposal 24/7 for ALL questions she might have about the puppies health and welfare.

The OP might not realize when people identify their dog as a teacup, they are telling how inexperienced and uneducated about the yorkie breed they are. Few vets get into the standards or differences in registered breeds. They worry more about what diseases and genetic problems a breed has more than any show or standard information. I don't necessarily think badly of a vet who does not know things like "there are no teacups in the Yorkie breed." As long as they know what health concerns are more prevalent in the yorkie breed, I am happy. But not knowing should have made him not comment -- not say that all puppies under the usual weight are teacups! Of course his words may have been taken out of context or even confused.

I don't even really have a problem with people using the term teacup, as long as they are no more serious about it than the folks who call theirs teapots. They need to know it is not an official designation, that breeders who use the terms normally have many other problems (as the professional breeders would never use the term!) and that MOST of the puppies being sold as teacups don't even wind up being on the small side of yorkies! I can't count the number of people who originally post they have a teacup puppy and then wind up having a 5-10 pound adult yorkie a year or two down the road! There have also been MANY sold as teacups and then the buyer later finds out the date of birth was lied about just so they would appear to be smaller than their age. It's not surprising either that a puppy being touted as a teacup is having such extreme GI distress immediately at the new home. Breeders who try to capitalize more on the small size than health concerns often wind up selling puppies who are sickly and in need of vet help right off the bat.

I am not writing this reply so much for the OP, 1yorkie, as I am any other actual concerned folks who wind up reading it while looking for info. Wink... Wink...my foot!

[Care28]

I'm not trying to belittle this person's situation and I genuinely hope that their dog is better, but their response post to everyone belittling YT and the kind people that tried to help him/her just screamed "troll" to me and someone that was trying to get a rise out of others.

OT, if you wonder why people wanted an update - it's because they care. It's because each person that comes through here and has a sick furbaby and is upset/hurting/worried becomes a friend to them and someone that they worry about. I don't post here every day, and I'm guilty of coming here mostly when I have questions about my yorkies, but the people that have responded every time have been kind, informative and very far from people with "no life".

For your sake, I really do hope you made this up and everything you said about your vet confirming there is such a thing as "teacup" was false as well. I'd be worried about taking my animal to ANY "professional" that blatantly disregards facts.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by kjcmsw

Hi Mary,
I was wondering if you could clarify not leaving a tiny at home for any amount of time. The reason I'm asking is sometimes I have to leave my dogs at home alone but they are not "tinies" (IMO), but just wondering exactly how tiny you mean. What is the safe size to be left alone in your opinion? Mine are 5 1/2-6 pounds (adult), 5 pounds (adult), and two 4 pounder's (kinda "tinies" but both are puppies: one 4 months, the other 6 months) - I've been fortunate for the last nine months to have a job that allows me the luxury of taking the pups (most of the time) but occasionally I do have to leave them home alone (pups are kept in an x-pen when left alone and the adults have most of the upper level of the house). "But" when I got my first Yorkie (she was 12 weeks/2 pounds - the now nearly 6#'er) I couldn't take her to work at that time, thus we did leave her home alone (contained in the bathroom set up safely for her). (I did take my vacation to coincide with getting her so I could be home with her everyday to help her adjust to her new home before I had to go back to work) Was that not good/was she too tiny/young to be left alone at that time? Concerned for her being alone at that time we did get her a 'friend' 3 months after getting her.
(I'm sure I'm being overly concerned, but I do hate leaving the pups in the x-pen, but sometimes it can't be helped).
Obviously, the oldest is no worse for the wear now (but I probably need something else to feel guilty about LOL)...just wondering for the future or if the pups now are too small (4#) to be left for several hours now.
Thanks

Logically thinking; You just bring a pup home from a breeders (12 weeks of age and in my opinion still a tinie), home 2 days . Pup is undergoing, adjusting not being with mom/littermates....being with new people....starting to just back on track in eating regularly. In my opinion a young pup shouldn't be left alone for extended periods of time. Now as the OP person describes.....this pup in her words is a "TEACUP", 11 weeks of age.....she wanted a TEACUP to carry in her purse...No, way would I leave one like this unattended.

But, that's me....I don't even like to leave my adults home alone for more than an hour.....I tend to be a bit over-protective....rarely placing a pup in a home where both husband and wife worked out of the home....And when I have I strongly recommend they take vacation time so they can help the pup make the adjustment. How would you feel....all of sudden being taken from your mom, litter mates to a new environment and then you're left alone....

When I worked, my son didn't leave for school until 9.....I came home at 11:30 stayed until 12:30....I hired the neighbor's children to come in when they got home at 2:45. I was home at 4:00.....But, at that time my yorkies (and I had 2 at the time, were kept in an x-pen, with all their creature comforts).

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by FlDebra

Glad you posted this Mary -- I was going to also, thinking that if she won't believe us, maybe she will believe the official Breed Club information. She might be playing silly, immature games but she may really think she knows. There are lots of uneducated people who glom on to a bit of information they think they know and then somehow feel all superior to the people who might actually be able to help them along the way. Shame on the breeder who sold her a puppy claiming it is a teacup, shame on her for selling before the puppy was 12 weeks old as also recommended by YTCA. Shame on her for not giving sufficient information to a new puppy owner and putting herself at her disposal 24/7 for ALL questions she might have about the puppies health and welfare.

The OP might not realize when people identify their dog as a teacup, they are telling how inexperienced and uneducated about the yorkie breed they are. Few vets get into the standards or differences in registered breeds. They worry more about what diseases and genetic problems a breed has more than any show or standard information. I don't necessarily think badly of a vet who does not know things like "there are no teacups in the Yorkie breed." As long as they know what health concerns are more prevalent in the yorkie breed, I am happy. But not knowing should have made him not comment -- not say that all puppies under the usual weight are teacups! Of course his words may have been taken out of context or even confused.

I don't even really have a problem with people using the term teacup, as long as they are no more serious about it than the folks who call theirs teapots. They need to know it is not an official designation, that breeders who use the terms normally have many other problems (as the professional breeders would never use the term!) and that MOST of the puppies being sold as teacups don't even wind up being on the small side of yorkies! I can't count the number of people who originally post they have a teacup puppy and then wind up having a 5-10 pound adult yorkie a year or two down the road! There have also been MANY sold as teacups and then the buyer later finds out the date of birth was lied about just so they would appear to be smaller than their age. It's not surprising either that a puppy being touted as a teacup is having such extreme GI distress immediately at the new home. Breeders who try to capitalize more on the small size than health concerns often wind up selling puppies who are sickly and in need of vet help right off the bat.

I am not writing this reply so much for the OP, 1yorkie, as I am any other actual concerned folks who wind up reading it while looking for info. Wink... Wink...my foot!

The OP poster has been a member since 2008.....she's been told over and over there is no such thing and given explanations.....I think that says it all.

[littlewhip]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

I am so sure the OP knows all of the above. To comment further is to entertain her/him imho.

[FlDebra]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

The OP poster has been a member since 2008.....she's been told over and over there is no such thing and given explanations.....I think that says it all.

I see what you mean. She is trying for the "rise" -- we're stuck playing her game lest we leave incorrect information for other new puppy owners who may be searching for answers. Sometimes a toss-up when you know someone is baiting but you want to ensure Yorkie Talk remains a place where CORRECT information is found. At least the pup sounds to be okay FOR NOW and there is sufficient correct information about the "teacup" term being just plain wrong for Yorkies. I hope this is the only thing the OP has wrong in her Yorkie information bank. Would hate to see her have other crazy ideas that might affect the poor puppy's health and not listen when good, solid information is offered.

BTW -- I am right there with you about yorkies and being left alone. It seriously saddens me when I read of people who are crating these tiny puppies from day one and leaving them alone for hours at a time! So many going right back to work after getting a tiny puppy and leaving it in a tiny crate. What a horrible life for a pup -- not much better than a puppymill. I think a LOT of people really need to re-evaluate if they have sufficient time to provide for a Yorkie! Then I read others who are crating them when they ARE home, like they are a little toy on a shelf to be taken down only when a person feels like playing with them. I want my pups to be part of the family! Interacting, loving, playing, LIVING their life with us!

[DvlshAngel985]

Originally Posted by FlDebra

I want my pups to be part of the family! Interacting, loving, playing, LIVING their life with us!

I wouldn't have it any other way either. Kaji is family and he goes on family outings with the rest of us.