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RachelandSadie 05-24-2010 06:18 PM

Bentley has Demodex! EWWW
 
Well i took him in today with me to work because i found something crusty and gross on his back and as i'm telling the techs that i found it and wanted them to look at him one comes around the corner and says I KNOW WHY...his fecal came positive for Demodex mange/mites. YUCKY. so now he's on promeris for every two weeks and then a skin scrap to recheck in 8 weeks. luckily it's not contagious to Sadie unless her immune system drops really low but she's in great health.

pray for Bentley tho, i want his poor skin to heal up and all the dermatitis and mange to go away and heal.

BamaFan121s 05-24-2010 06:21 PM

Aww...poor little guy. :( I hope it clears up for him soon. Yes, lucky thing for Sadie that she can't catch it.

kalina82 05-24-2010 06:25 PM

poor thing. :( i imagine he must be very itchy. luckily demodex is a common thing and not contagious. hope he starts feeling better soon.

RoscoesMommy42 05-24-2010 06:25 PM

Awww....bless his heart. : ( I sure hope the meds clear it up quick.

PANAMA69 05-24-2010 06:27 PM

Poor baby, so glad he is on good hands:aimeeyork

mjharpst 05-24-2010 08:22 PM

Hope the meds work fast and he is feeling better soon, and itch free!

StacyDufner 05-24-2010 08:30 PM

Awe poor Bentley I hope he gets better soon. I will keep him in my prayers.

Mom to Hot Rod 05-24-2010 09:36 PM

Awww, poor baby. I know it's pink, but try putting Sadie's collar on him if he starts to itch himself. :)

RachelandSadie 05-24-2010 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Mom to Hot Rod (Post 3140573)
Awww, poor baby. I know it's pink, but try putting Sadie's collar on him if he starts to itch himself. :)

Ok i know this isn't at all it's purpose, but i've actually found a nice little use for that collar for him :eek: i have to put tritop on his tummy and package and also he sometimes tries to mark so i've actually been using it as a make shift belly band since it's washable and absorbant (with the help of a maxi pad) until my order gets here of actually belly bands. i know that's not it's purpose, but it's working for right now...so maybe you can market it's dual usage :D

DvlshAngel985 05-24-2010 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by RachelandSadie (Post 3140596)
Ok i know this isn't at all it's purpose, but i've actually found a nice little use for that collar for him :eek: i have to put tritop on his tummy and package and also he sometimes tries to mark so i've actually been using it as a make shift belly band since it's washable and absorbant (with the help of a maxi pad) until my order gets here of actually belly bands. i know that's not it's purpose, but it's working for right now...so maybe you can market it's dual usage :D

You're a smart one! I'm sorry Bentley isn't well. I hope he heals up real soon!

yorkieusa 05-25-2010 06:54 AM

There was a little chi at the vets one day that had mange and they gave her some sulphur dip. Perhaps you could get something like that to dab on the spot to help it go away faster?

dwerten 05-25-2010 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by RachelandSadie (Post 3140386)
Well i took him in today with me to work because i found something crusty and gross on his back and as i'm telling the techs that i found it and wanted them to look at him one comes around the corner and says I KNOW WHY...his fecal came positive for Demodex mange/mites. YUCKY. so now he's on promeris for every two weeks and then a skin scrap to recheck in 8 weeks. luckily it's not contagious to Sadie unless her immune system drops really low but she's in great health.

pray for Bentley tho, i want his poor skin to heal up and all the dermatitis and mange to go away and heal.

my friend battled this for years and was on interceptor and then ivermectin, etc and she did promeris and it is now GONE so promeris really works just some dogs get sick on it so keep an eye on your baby but wanted to share how it worked wonders for my friends yorkie :)

chachi 05-25-2010 06:59 AM

They find out they have demodex from a skin scrape not a fecal

dwerten 05-25-2010 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by chachi (Post 3140873)
They find out they have demodex from a skin scrape not a fecal

that is what i thought too lol but thought maybe something i did not know as i have never dealt with demodex in mine nor scabies but derm did scraping on dd last time to rule out demodex since she has so many skin issues just to be safe as a follow up since she has a poor immune system.

seainthecity 05-25-2010 06:14 PM

Sorry to hear about your dog. I've been battling Demodex for almost two years. Guppy has been on daily Interceptor for about a year now. I took him to the Animal Hospital at the University of Florida when I couldn't get it under control. We tried the Promeris once, but it made him vomit repeatedly. We're going to try it again in a month or two. Hopefully, you'll have better luck. Please keep us informed so I know if it worked for you. I'd hate to put Guppy through dosing it again if it's not going to work.

The funny thing is Guppy has been thoroughly checked out and there is no sign his immune system is compromised at all. All his tests came back perfect and except for the Demodex he's very healthy and happy. I've been advised NOT to do the Sulphur dips so would like more info on them if anyone has that. Good luck to you!

tjdmom 05-25-2010 06:29 PM

My collie had demodex mites once. I didn't know you could diagnose from a fecal? My vet had to take a scraping. By the way, all dogs have these mites but they normally live down in the hair follicle. When they get out of control, they cause problems hair loss on the surface. It usually signals some kind of problem with the immune system although some dogs are born with it and battle it all their lives. But your new guy has had a lot of stress so I'd imagine that once he's settled in things will get better! Good luck!

RachelandSadie 05-26-2010 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by chachi (Post 3140873)
They find out they have demodex from a skin scrape not a fecal

nope wrong. they actually did a fecal with giardia and sent it off to i believe antech and it came back with the positive for demodex results. it was NOT a skin scrape acutally. i would know i looked at the test results from the lab as i do work in the clinic.

Ladymom 05-26-2010 08:52 PM

Rachel, you may want to double check his chart. Demodex is diagnosed with a skin scraping. The mites live in the hair follicles, not the digestive tract.

Once Demodectic mange is suspected, it can usually be confirmed by a skin scraping or biopsy, in which case, the mites can be seen with the aid of a microscope. T


Demodectic Mange (Red, Puppy, and Follicular Mange) in Dogs

How is Demodicosis Diagnosed?

The microscopic Demodex mite lives deep in hair follicles. Diagnosis is suggested by the skin lesions and confirmed with a skin scrape and microscopic examination of Demodex mites.

The vet will gently squeeze an area of the skin and rub a scalpel blade over the ridge of skin to collect mites to look at under the microscope.


Canine Demodex Mite Mange (Demodicosis or Red Mange) - Treatment Options for Canine Demodex Mite Mange (Demodicosis or Red Mange)

How is Demodectic Mange in Dogs Diagnosed?

Demodectic mange in dogs is diagnosed by gently scraping the skin with a sharp instrument such as a scalpel blade and examining the collected skin samples under a microscope. Microscopic analysis will reveal the Demodex dog mite which has been extruded from the hair follicle and collected with the scraping.


Demodectic Mange in Dogs: A Common Form of Mange Caused by the Demodex Dog Mite

dwerten 05-26-2010 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Ladymom (Post 3142929)
Rachel, you may want to double check his chart. Demodex is diagnosed with a skin scraping. The mites live in the hair follicles, not the digestive tract.

Once Demodectic mange is suspected, it can usually be confirmed by a skin scraping or biopsy, in which case, the mites can be seen with the aid of a microscope. T


Demodectic Mange (Red, Puppy, and Follicular Mange) in Dogs

How is Demodicosis Diagnosed?

The microscopic Demodex mite lives deep in hair follicles. Diagnosis is suggested by the skin lesions and confirmed with a skin scrape and microscopic examination of Demodex mites.

The vet will gently squeeze an area of the skin and rub a scalpel blade over the ridge of skin to collect mites to look at under the microscope.


Canine Demodex Mite Mange (Demodicosis or Red Mange) - Treatment Options for Canine Demodex Mite Mange (Demodicosis or Red Mange)

How is Demodectic Mange in Dogs Diagnosed?

Demodectic mange in dogs is diagnosed by gently scraping the skin with a sharp instrument such as a scalpel blade and examining the collected skin samples under a microscope. Microscopic analysis will reveal the Demodex dog mite which has been extruded from the hair follicle and collected with the scraping.


Demodectic Mange in Dogs: A Common Form of Mange Caused by the Demodex Dog Mite

yeah this is what i always thought too

also my friend whose dog had demodex forever her dog never itched so not sure they itch with demodex it is usually a stinky wet spot as that is what hers had. Scabies (sarcoptic mange) is when the dog is really itchy as i think you had a thread stating he was itchy.

I have never heard of demodex nor sarcoptic mange being tested by a fecal. My friend never mentioned that in dealing with it for years. It was always a skin scraping at dermatologist. The derm just did it in front of me for dee dee this last time as she wanted to rule out demodex she said since dd has had skin issues recently with the staph.

I always thought it was parasites in stool like coccidia and giardia.

kalina82 05-27-2010 02:48 AM

the dog could have ingested some by licking at his skin i guess, but i would want a skin scraping done on the areas to be sure that is what he has. all dogs have mites, its just dogs with a compromised immune system that get bothered by it. a lot of the demodex i've seen is on the head and ears. it looks like hair is missing but the area isn't always red/inflammed/gross looking. on puppies it just looks like thinning hair on their head.

anyway, i'd get a skin scrapping done just to be sure.

dwerten 05-27-2010 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by kalina82 (Post 3143061)
the dog could have ingested some by licking at his skin i guess, but i would want a skin scraping done on the areas to be sure that is what he has. all dogs have mites, its just dogs with a compromised immune system that get bothered by it. a lot of the demodex i've seen is on the head and ears. it looks like hair is missing but the area isn't always red/inflammed/gross looking. on puppies it just looks like thinning hair on their head.

anyway, i'd get a skin scrapping done just to be sure.

what do you think about doing the advantix and promeris within days of each other :(. I know promeris can make dogs sick as derm told me this when i recommended it for my friends dog so i would imagine it mixed in with advantix that could definitely make them sick :(

Mary4 05-27-2010 11:20 AM

Demodex? I'd never heard of this (like a lot of things ... thank you for this site!) How do they get it?

Ladymom 05-27-2010 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Mary4 (Post 3143556)
Demodex? I'd never heard of this (like a lot of things ... thank you for this site!) How do they get it?


If you read the links I posted above, it explains all about demodex mange,

kalina82 05-27-2010 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by dwerten (Post 3143123)
what do you think about doing the advantix and promeris within days of each other :(. I know promeris can make dogs sick as derm told me this when i recommended it for my friends dog so i would imagine it mixed in with advantix that could definitely make them sick :(

i have no idea about advantix and promeris for mange treatment. i've never actually heard of promeris (unless its also called something else).

i think when i worked for general practice the vet gave revolution and oral ivermectin. That was at least 5 years ago now so i'm not too sure. didn't really deal too much with mange treatments in the surgery ward.

ladyjane 05-27-2010 02:48 PM

I have a foster with demodex. He suddenly got this dry area around his eye and I had a feeling that was what it was. Sure enough....took him in and the skin scraping showed those nasty little critters.

Anyway.....he has been treated for the past two weeks with Goodwinol ointment. He went to the vet today and his scraping was negative! He will continue that ointment for two weeks and then have another skin scraping. If that is negative, his treatment will be over!

megansmomma 05-27-2010 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 3143741)
I have a foster with demodex. He suddenly got this dry area around his eye and I had a feeling that was what it was. Sure enough....took him in and the skin scraping showed those nasty little critters.

Anyway.....he has been treated for the past two weeks with Goodwinol ointment. He went to the vet today and his scraping was negative! He will continue that ointment for two weeks and then have another skin scraping. If that is negative, his treatment will be over!

You always give such wonderful and helpful sound advice! Having taken in so many fosters you have a LOT of first hand knowledge from your vet. Thank you for all that you contribute to YT :)

dwerten 05-27-2010 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kalina82 (Post 3143735)
i have no idea about advantix and promeris for mange treatment. i've never actually heard of promeris (unless its also called something else).

i think when i worked for general practice the vet gave revolution and oral ivermectin. That was at least 5 years ago now so i'm not too sure. didn't really deal too much with mange treatments in the surgery ward.

promeris is new being used for demodex and revolution is being used for sarcoptic mange. When dd started with all her issues they used revolution to rule out sarcoptic mange as sometimes hard to see mites on scrapings so they wanted to be sure since she was around my grandma's yorkie that had scabies.

My friend used ivermectin and interceptor for years with her demodex dog and i recommended promeris and it worked within months she is so happy as her dog had this wet stinky smelly spot on her back. It was gross but no other issues just that. She is a pet store puppymill dog came from same pet store dex came from :( before we knew better.

I am just concerned mixing two topical treatments that are strong on a little one could be a problem especially since promeris can make some dogs sick :(

kalina82 05-27-2010 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dwerten (Post 3143804)
promeris is new being used for demodex and revolution is being used for sarcoptic mange. When dd started with all her issues they used revolution to rule out sarcoptic mange as sometimes hard to see mites on scrapings so they wanted to be sure since she was around my grandma's yorkie that had scabies.

My friend used ivermectin and interceptor for years with her demodex dog and i recommended promeris and it worked within months she is so happy as her dog had this wet stinky smelly spot on her back. It was gross but no other issues just that. She is a pet store puppymill dog came from same pet store dex came from :( before we knew better.


i'll have to look up promeris to see what its about. and your right, the revolution was for sarcoptic mange now that i think of it.

i just remember having to dose out liquid ivermectin and sucrose (or dextrose...can't remember which) into syringes. very messy and sticky process.

dwerten 05-27-2010 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by kalina82 (Post 3143808)
i'll have to look up promeris to see what its about. and your right, the revolution was for sarcoptic mange now that i think of it.

i just remember having to dose out liquid ivermectin and sucrose (or dextrose...can't remember which) into syringes. very messy and sticky process.

yeah and i do think ivermectin is off label use in dogs. My friends dog almost died of ivermectin toxicity as derm mixed ketaconazole and ivermectin drugs - not derm i use. The ketoconazole broke the blood barrier wall allowing the ivermectin to go straight to the brain and she went into a massive seizure then coma. It was HORRIBLE. Those drugs should never be mixed. They had to sedate her to stop seizures and suction trachea and she ended up with pneumonia. She had to pay for a 3,000 bill and derm said oops sorry - GREAT

So when the promeris worked she called me from my derm office and was so excited and said it worked it worked she is finally after years demodex free:) I learned about it from another yorkie group where owner used it and recommended it so i called our derm and asked her about it for sophie. She said it makes some dogs sick but worth try so we were really nervous after the whole ivermectin toxicity but sophie never got sick and she is doing so well and my friend is so happy.

Here is info on promeris

http://www.promeris.com/

dwerten 05-27-2010 04:04 PM

I am always nervous when i see someone mix two flea products as Sonja on here lost sunny to that a year ago and it was horrible. She never used flea protection before as we do not really need to in cali. She went to a yorkie meet up out of state and mixed two flea products and he died. It was horrible :(


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