finished antibiotics & still blood in urine

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

Urine is sterile (a healthy urine, that is). However, once the urine leaves the body and contacts any skin, piece of hair, object (cup), anything, it is then no longer sterile.

A free catch will test out the urine, plus whatever the urine picks up while leaving the body and entering the specimen cup.

A cysto will test the urine in it's state inside the body, with no introduction of any foreign agents.

Does that make sense?

yep so a free catch will show bacteria when in fact there may NOT be a uti like internal medicine told me but by the amount of bacteria found in free catch they can determine also if uti or not without doing a cysto

What else will cysto determine as so far the bacteria thing i am comfortable with as it has not been a problem yet as each time we thought dd had a uti it in fact was not and free catch was fine for that. It was rubbing do to staph and her allergies

[Ellie May]

Adding to what Ann said, sometimes vets want to see exactly what is going on and they do not want bacteria to enter the sample (the bacteria picked up during urination). So while they can do a culture with a free catch sample, it is less accurate. They have to have a range of acceptable bacteria that is more than the range they have to have when testing a cysto sample. It is the preferred method b/c of the bacteria. Vet can have a better picture of what is going on if they don't have to account for bacteria introduce during voluntary voiding.

If we are talking about a yearly quick u/a to check things out, that's one thing.
This is a young puppy who could have serious health issues. If the vet wants a clean sample, then that is between them and owner.

Now that this topic has been beaten to death, I'm going to clean the house.

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by Ellie May

Adding to what Ann said, sometimes vets want to see exactly what is going on and they do not want bacteria to enter the sample (the bacteria picked up during urination). So while they can do a culture with a free catch sample, it is less accurate. They have to have a range of acceptable bacteria that is more than the range they have to have when testing a cysto sample. It is the preferred method b/c of the bacteria. Vet can have a better picture of what is going on if they don't have to account for bacteria introduce during voluntary voiding.

If we are talking about a yearly quick u/a to check things out, that's one thing.
This is a young puppy who could have serious health issues. If the vet wants a clean sample, then that is between them and owner.

Now that this topic has been beaten to death, I'm going to clean the house.

lol but C i want to know what else they are looking for other than bacteria?

Do you know what else the cysto will tell?

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by Ellie May

Adding to what Ann said, sometimes vets want to see exactly what is going on and they do not want bacteria to enter the sample (the bacteria picked up during urination). So while they can do a culture with a free catch sample, it is less accurate. They have to have a range of acceptable bacteria that is more than the range they have to have when testing a cysto sample. It is the preferred method b/c of the bacteria. Vet can have a better picture of what is going on if they don't have to account for bacteria introduce during voluntary voiding.

If we are talking about a yearly quick u/a to check things out, that's one thing.
This is a young puppy who could have serious health issues. If the vet wants a clean sample, then that is between them and owner.

Now that this topic has been beaten to death, I'm going to clean the house.

lol but C i want to know what else they are looking for other than bacteria?

Do you know what else the cysto will tell?

I do not believe this vet sent original catch to a lab first off which is a problem right there and i do not think vet did culture either at a lab and also the antibiotic was cephelexin when clavamox is usually used so I think first the vet should do all the proper steps on a free catch if that is what owner is comfortable with

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by dwerten

lol but C i want to know what else they are looking for other than bacteria?

Do you know what else the cysto will tell?

Might I suggest a microbiology course?

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

Might I suggest a microbiology course?

no just an answer would be good so if you can answer it that would be great as if doing urinalysis they check for

ph
crystals
protein
bacteria

that i am aware of

I know you can help because you are a nurse and took microbiology so I am sure you can answer this easily for us

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by dwerten

no just an answer would be good so if you can answer it that would be great as if doing urinalysis they check for

ph
crystals
protein
bacteria

that i am aware of

I know you can help because you are a nurse and took microbiology so I am sure you can answer this easily for us

Well, one thing you left off is specific gravity which is extremely important in diagnosing.

I think a google search will give you all of it!

BUT, I can tell you that a microbiology course is extremely interesting and certainly does give a person more understanding of bacteria and/or the testing for bacteria.

But, again, I will say that while I have an education in the nursing field, that does not qualify me to practice veterinarian medicine. These types of discussions are not what i really involve myself in so much as I believe that diagnosing a pup is so much more involved than a lay person such as myself can totally grasp. My knowledge is much too basic for me to diagnose and treat people's pets on the internet...matter of fact, I discussed the topic with my vet who told me that she would never do that on the internet without physically seeing a pup and/or its tests and or xrays and without speaking to a vet who has seen it.

The only reason I suggested a course in micro is because you were asking questions and I thought it might be a good suggestion.

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

Well, one thing you left off is specific gravity which is extremely important in diagnosing.

I think a google search will give you all of it!

BUT, I can tell you that a microbiology course is extremely interesting and certainly does give a person more understanding of bacteria and/or the testing for bacteria.

But, again, I will say that while I have an education in the nursing field, that does not qualify me to practice veterinarian medicine. These types of discussions are not what i really involve myself in so much as I believe that diagnosing a pup is so much more involved than a lay person such as myself can totally grasp. My knowledge is much too basic for me to diagnose and treat people's pets on the internet...matter of fact, I discussed the topic with my vet who told me that she would never do that on the internet without physically seeing a pup and/or its tests and or xrays and without speaking to a vet who has seen it.

The only reason I suggested a course in micro is because you were asking questions and I thought it might be a good suggestion.

thanks for the suggestion and i did pull it from the petplace website i always use which is written by a vet and posted it below so you can check it out if you would like

here it is from another vet link that Ann uses as well like this one too Ann

http://www.peteducation.com/article....+2116&aid=3136

I trust what dr dodds and internal medicine specialist told me in regards to this test.

and all of those things that are on the urinalysis can be received on a free catch and the only thing contaminated is bacteria that i am aware of

I am comfortable with my suggestions as i am not a vet and will have in my siggy from now on and i do consult with specialists on matters such as this to make sure i am doing what is right since they have further education in the veterinary medical profession than a normal vet. I think that one video i posted stated one out of every 4 vets graduates in the bottom of their class ? Scary

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by dwerten

thanks for the suggestion and i did pull it from the petplace website i always use which is written by a vet and posted it below so you can check it out if you would like

I trust what dr dodds and internal medicine specialist told me in regards to this test.

and all of those things that are on the urinalysis can be received on a free catch and the only thing contaminated is bacteria that i am aware of

I am comfortable with my suggestions as i am not a vet and will have in my siggy from now on and i do consult with specialists on matters such as this to make sure i am doing what is right since they have further education in the veterinary medical profession than a normal vet. I think that one video i posted stated one out of every 4 vets graduates in the bottom of their class ? Scary

Uh....there is a top and a bottom and a middle of every graduating class; and not everyone is able to even get accepted into veterinarian school. I am not sure what your point is exactly? Are you suggesting that you speaking to a specialist makes you more qualified than a vet who may have graduated at the bottom of his/her class? I mean, that is how I read it. Perhaps I am misunderstanding??

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by dwerten

thanks for the suggestion and i did pull it from the petplace website i always use which is written by a vet and posted it below so you can check it out if you would like

I don't need to check out the website. I did not have the question...you did. And..I answered it to the best of my ability without googling...merely said that specific gravity is one thing that urine is tested for that was not on your list.

I was not commenting on the value of that test....or why it was being suggested.

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

Uh....there is a top and a bottom and a middle of every graduating class; and not everyone is able to even get accepted into veterinarian school. I am not sure what your point is exactly? Are you suggesting that you speaking to a specialist makes you more qualified than a vet who may have graduated at the bottom of his/her class? I mean, that is how I read it. Perhaps I am misunderstanding??

I think you are misunderstanding me AGAIN

I said I get my information from specialists who have further education in the medical profession in regards to tests such as cysto as i stated my internal medicine specialists below as well as Dr Dodds

And not everyone is lucky to get the vet at the top and the middle like you have with your vet

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by dwerten

I think you are misunderstanding me AGAIN

I said I get my information from specialists who have further education in the medical profession

And not everyone is lucky to get the vet at the top and the middle like you have with your vet

Yes, perhaps I did misunderstand...I said that and asked.

Honestly, I don't go to a vet and ask him where he graduated from in his class. I can tell you that even a specialist could have graduated from the bottom of his class and that alone does not necessarily make him a good or bad diagnostician. There is much more than that!

Have you asked your esteemed Dr. Dodds where she graduated in her class? If you found out she graduated in the bottom of her class, would that change your opinion of her? Do you ask every vet you speak with what his place was in his class? I have never asked that of any vet or for that matter any doctor. There is SO much more than book knowledge to being a good vet or doctor.

[chaygirl]

Originally Posted by dwerten

here is a question-

why do they not stick a needle in human bladders for urinalysis and culture?

We pee in a cup to get tested for bladder infections - why should it be any differently for a dog especially since this owner is skilled in getting pee directly into a cup which i am not that skilled btw lolllll?

Hee hee. I never thought of myself as a skilled urine catcher

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

Yes, perhaps I did misunderstand...I said that and asked.

Honestly, I don't go to a vet and ask him where he graduated from in his class. I can tell you that even a specialist could have graduated from the bottom of his class and that alone does not necessarily make him a good or bad diagnostician. There is much more than that!

Have you asked your esteemed Dr. Dodds where she graduated in her class? If you found out she graduated in the bottom of her class, would that change your opinion of her? Do you ask every vet you speak with what his place was in his class? I have never asked that of any vet or for that matter any doctor. There is SO much more than book knowledge to being a good vet or doctor.

I agree and think passion is key in a vet. A vet actually caring enough and being sharp enough to figure out what is going on and not in it just for the buck. I agree in that there are alot of educated idiots in every profession so book knowledge means nothing to me. There are some really sharp people in College and people graduating with masters that cannot get jobs as they have no people skills so that goes on too in the world. I think it takes more than just reading a book and passing a test to be good at your profession. I really could care less how much you know unless i know how much you care about my dog and Dr Dodds cares about my dogs just like my dermatologist, dentist, and ims. You can tell when you work with someone if they really care or not it is pretty obvious.

No i never ask what place they graduated in and actually I just found that out on the video and it all made sense then lolll

Specialists have to further their education and so i believe they know more but i do not think they are GOD nor do i hold any medical profession as such. We all need to do our homework for our own health as well as our dogs. I state this over and over and it is very clear about how i feel in regards to this.

I did review Dr Dodds resume which is online for all to see and I heard about her over and over again in the many groups I am on and found out she lives near me so drove to see her and it was the best thing i have ever done for my dogs. She is the one that emails me at 11:00 at night on how to split an oblong tiny pill of soloxine for my dee dee. The one when i ask questions by email sends me a response no matter where in the world she travels. People who do not care do not do this for pet owners. Oh and she does not charge me for every email, phone call etc. She only charges me when i go down to see her. How many professionals do this? She does not just do it for me but for so many others as well. Why because she is truly passionate about what she does and she cares and i respect that immensely.

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by chaygirl

Hee hee. I never thought of myself as a skilled urine catcher

lol you are gf you are dang good - i just may hire you lolll