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yorkiepuppie 04-14-2010 10:04 AM
davinci might have AAI i am so scared, someone please help us.
 
does anyone have experience with AAI? i think davinci might have this. i took him to the vet yesterday and the vet didn't know what's wrong with him, thought it might just be pulled muscle.

i have been doing some research and i think it might be AAI, i am very scared. i am going to contact the vet's office again, but my regular vet is on vacation.

do we need to see a specialist? davinci is in pain and he cries and we all cry with him, but i am trying to stay strong and do what i need to do for him.

the vet told me yesterday he needs to sedate davinci to take x-rays, but can i just let this vet take x-rays? or do i need to find someone with experience in this. i don't want a vet to break davinci's neck due to inexperience. what should i do, can someone please help us!

BonBon 04-14-2010 10:08 AM
Oh, I'm so sorry!!

PM BlueBoyBarber - Vicki went through this with her baby and he made it through fine. I've seen her other posts where she's offered great advice.

Good luck!!

QuickSilver 04-14-2010 10:09 AM
I'm so sorry to hear DaVinci is still not better. What is AAI?

Remember, our minds tend to go to the worst possible scenario... try not to worry too much before you get a definitive answer.

yorkiepuppie 04-14-2010 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by QuickSilver (Post 3084832)
I'm so sorry to hear DaVinci is still not better. What is AAI?

Remember, our minds tend to go to the worst possible scenario... try not to worry too much before you get a definitive answer.
ATLANTOAXIAL SUBLUXATION (hypoplasia of the dens)

yorkiepuppie 04-14-2010 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by bonbon (Post 3084827)
Oh, I'm so sorry!!

PM BlueBoyBarber - Vicki went through this with her baby and he made it through fine. I've seen her other posts where she's offered great advice.

Good luck!!
Thank you, i already PMed her. is there anyone else i can ask?

Ellie May 04-14-2010 10:20 AM
I'm so sorry. :(
I didn't realize he was still in pain.
I'm about done with what I have to do... so PM if you want to.

Did you find a good symptoms list?
If you really suspect this, then he should not be allowed to run, jump, play, etc. He needs to stay very still until you get him in for an xray. He will have to be treated like glass until it is ruled out. I'm sure some general DVMs do the xrays, but I'd have to be convinced that they know what they are doing and have done it before... It may be best to find a specialty hospital in the area. Hopefully they can rule AAI out and then find the problem.

QuickSilver 04-14-2010 10:21 AM
That does look scary... maybe you can call your breeder and ask, since this is a genetic defect?

According to the website, for small dogs, often all that is needed is a neck brace and some rest, so even if this is the right diagnosis, it's not the end of the world.

Sorry, I don't have any experience with this, so I can't give you advice on whether you should go to a specialist or take xrays. When does your normal vet get back?

yorkiepuppie 04-14-2010 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 3084847)
I'm so sorry. :(
I didn't realize he was still in pain.
I'm about done with what I have to do... so PM if you want to.

Did you find a good symptoms list?
If you really suspect this, then he should not be allowed to run, jump, play, etc. He needs to stay very still until you get him in for an xray. He will have to be treated like glass until it is ruled out. I'm sure some general DVMs do the xrays, but I'd have to be convinced that they know what they are doing and have done it before... It may be best to find a specialty hospital in the area. Hopefully they can rule AAI out and then find the problem.
that is what i am trying to find out. if i can take him to the regular clinic (my regular vet is on vacation) or should i be looking for specialist who have done this before? i am very scared. davinici is sleeping in a crate now, but he's been in pain.

Ellie May 04-14-2010 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by yorkiepuppie (Post 3084858)
that is what i am trying to find out. if i can take him to the regular clinic (my regular vet is on vacation) or should i be looking for specialist who have done this before? i am very scared. davinici is sleeping in a crate now, but he's been in pain.
You could see if one of the vets there have done it before, but I can tell you that I'd very likely go to a specialist with training in how to do this. It's not worth the extra risk.

yorkiepuppie 04-14-2010 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by QuickSilver (Post 3084850)
That does look scary... maybe you can call your breeder and ask, since this is a genetic defect?

According to the website, for small dogs, often all that is needed is a neck brace and some rest, so even if this is the right diagnosis, it's not the end of the world.

Sorry, I don't have any experience with this, so I can't give you advice on whether you should go to a specialist or take xrays. When does your normal vet get back?
i think normal vet comes back next week. i also want to find out about pain management. i want to give him something that will make him sleep through the pain if possible.

i emailed the breeder. i will give her a call later, right now i am trying to find out where i should take davinci today to get help.

yorkiepuppie 04-14-2010 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 3084865)
You could see if one of the vets there have done it before, but I can tell you that I'd very likely go to a specialist with training in how to do this. It's not worth the extra risk.
do you know any safer but strong pain management options i can ask for? i panic every time he cried this morning. i think it would help him if he can sleep through all this until I figure out where to get him the x-rays. (he is sleeping right now, but i am scared he will wake up in pain) :(

Ellie May 04-14-2010 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by yorkiepuppie (Post 3084872)
do you know any safer but strong pain management options i can ask for? i panic every time he cried this morning. i think it would help him if he can sleep through all this until I figure out where to get him the x-rays. (he is sleeping right now, but i am scared he will wake up in pain) :(
Tramadol may work, but I don't think that's going to make him sleepy.
Looked it up...no sedation.
Not sure if buprenorphine would work for this type of pain.
I haven't really seen it used in ortho.

Nancy1999 04-14-2010 10:44 AM
Oh I'm so sorry to hear this, I know you tried so hard to find a good breeder. I don't know anything about this problem; I know your heart must be breaking. Stay strong, I'm sending a million prayers your way. I really wish there was more I could do, we have lots of great people here that can give you advice. I think I would talk to the vet again and mention this to him and ask him his opinion. Maybe he might be able to tell you something that you could rule this out. If the vet can't rule this out, I would find a specialist. How's Davinci today, still in pain?

Yorkiedaze 04-14-2010 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by yorkiepuppie (Post 3084872)
do you know any safer but strong pain management options i can ask for? i panic every time he cried this morning. i think it would help him if he can sleep through all this until I figure out where to get him the x-rays. (he is sleeping right now, but i am scared he will wake up in pain) :(
Maybe you could call an animal acupuncturist and see if they can help with his condition.

Nancy1999 04-14-2010 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Yorkiedaze (Post 3084891)
Maybe you could call an animal acupuncturist and see if they can help with his condition.
I don't think he should be treated until it's been properly diagnosed. If you read the link, this can be extremely serious, even causing paralysis. Perhaps in mild cases alternative therapies might be helpful, but at this point a specialist is the safest option.

ArmaniMan 04-14-2010 11:20 AM
You might check out this thread...

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...hair-mats.html

The OP's baby also has AAI and in the thread she posts a link to a blog that chronicles the journey!

TLC 04-14-2010 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Yorkiedaze (Post 3084891)
Maybe you could call an animal acupuncturist and see if they can help with his condition.
NO acupuncturist. Not with an AAI/AAS pup, it may cause paralysis :(

IMO ~ I would call your Vet and get a referral to a Neuro Specialist.

With AAI-AAS pups, time is critical, and you MUST treat the pup as if it is a China Doll - very fragile :(

TLC 04-14-2010 11:26 AM
PLEASE get in touch with either BabyBear (Val) or BLEUBOY (Vicki) ~ they BOTH have AAI babies and they will help and guide you...

Wylie's Mom 04-14-2010 11:31 AM
Yen, just got your message and sent you another reply, my friend. Know I'm thinking of you every minute. Sending love to DaVinci.

Ladymom 04-14-2010 11:44 AM
I agree with the others. Please contact Vicki/Bleu Boy Barber.

ARCHIE 04-14-2010 12:05 PM
Sending you prayer's to guide you in finding the answer's for DiVinci.
I can't be of help any other way.


Hugs,

yorkiepuppie 04-14-2010 01:17 PM
davinci is gone.

he started running backwards in circles in his crate, i rushed him to the vet, they could not revive him.

they took x-rays, and the vet is going to have other vets look at it and tell me what happened.

i loved him so much, i want to know what happened to my baby.

why?

Wylie's Mom 04-14-2010 01:23 PM
Yen, I am SO so so sorry :( :( :(. I feel foolish saying these words, they feel meaningless. I'm at work, in tears. I send love to you, Jer, Milu, and the bunnies.

DaVinci was beautiful and loved and precious.

Ladymom 04-14-2010 01:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by yorkiepuppie (Post 3085066)
davinci is gone.

he started running backwards in circles in his crate, i rushed him to the vet, they could not revive him.

they took x-rays, and the vet is going to have other vets look at it and tell me what happened.

i loved him so much, i want to know what happened to my baby.

why?
I am so, so sorry. I am in shock.

Nancy1999 04-14-2010 01:31 PM
I'm so sorry Yen, I know the pain you feel is unbearable. I wish there was something I could do to help you through this horrible time. I'm so in shock right now. I'm glad you are looking for answers and pray you will find the strength to get through this horrible time. I really care about you, and I think you have one of the sweetest hearts in the world. I'm so very sorry you had to experience this.

Ellie May 04-14-2010 01:34 PM
I am so, so sorry and don't have the words to say. :(

BonBon 04-14-2010 01:42 PM
I am so very sorry. I\'m in shock and without words also.

TLC 04-14-2010 01:46 PM
I am so very sorry....We know you love and care so very much for him. I wish I could take your pain away...

We are here for you :(

QuickSilver 04-14-2010 01:51 PM
NO! I can\'t imagine how heartbroken you must be. I am beyond shocked.

:cry:

ArmaniMan 04-14-2010 01:52 PM
I am so sorry.... just know we are all here for you if you need to talk :(


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