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[ladyjane]

I am so happy to hear that Rascal is home! He is such a lucky boy to have parents who will do what it takes for him!

I hope he continues to do well....looking forward to seeing his pictures!

[Dave V]

Here goes, the vet said he had primary gastrointestinal disease which caused the vominting and diarrhea on top of this he recieved gentamicin or developed a urinary tract infection which caused secondary nephrogenic diabetes insipdius which allowed him to dehydrate and his kidney values to go up. He is getting fenbendazole as a dewormer and Famotidine "PEPCID" and Clavamox as an antibiotic. We used to feed him baked chicken breast with veggies in the am and at lunch along with Science Diet wd at night. All of this has stopped, he is not happy!! So we are trying different dog foods we were giving at OSU. He seems to like the hard food at night but the can food not so much. This is the first day home so we'll keep working on him. Kinda got worried this morning he was urinating but not drinking so I called the OSU vet while I was on the phone he walked over and took a big drimk and has a few more times since. So we feel much better, we tried cooking him some venison and taters, ok from breakfast, lunch was a no go. We made it from a recipe the OSU vet gave us. We'll keep working till we find one he likes.
Thanks,
Dave

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by Dave V

Here goes, the vet said he had primary gastrointestinal disease which caused the vominting and diarrhea on top of this he recieved gentamicin or developed a urinary tract infection which caused secondary nephrogenic diabetes insipdius which allowed him to dehydrate and his kidney values to go up. He is getting fenbendazole as a dewormer and Famotidine "PEPCID" and Clavamox as an antibiotic. We used to feed him baked chicken breast with veggies in the am and at lunch along with Science Diet wd at night. All of this has stopped, he is not happy!! So we are trying different dog foods we were giving at OSU. He seems to like the hard food at night but the can food not so much. This is the first day home so we'll keep working on him. Kinda got worried this morning he was urinating but not drinking so I called the OSU vet while I was on the phone he walked over and took a big drimk and has a few more times since. So we feel much better, we tried cooking him some venison and taters, ok from breakfast, lunch was a no go. We made it from a recipe the OSU vet gave us. We'll keep working till we find one he likes.
Thanks,
Dave

yeah they label ibd gastrointestinal as well basically everything is gastrointestinal lolll if they have vomitting and diarrhea. Ok wet food has more moisture in it so many people feed dry in am and wet in evening as kibble is harder on kidneys than wet which make sense as wet has more moisture. The reason your dog is not drinking a ton is because he came off of being on iv fluids and is full of fluid lol so probably why not drinking much. With a dog that has had higher bun as mine did make sure you put out fresh spring bottled water 3-4 times a day to entice drinking as my maltese who had the higher bun will not drink water unless it is fresh. Another thing to look into which i looked into at the pet expo and may get is getting one of those fresh water bowls that circulates and filters the water as i am looking more into this as my maltese has been gulping water and she vomitted it up a couple times so has me concerned so thinking the constant fresh water may prevent the gulping at all at once when a fresh bowl is down.

My friends york has 25% use of his kidneys and the kidney specialist she sees in new york said wet is better but honestly i do not think yours has the kidney issues and was all tied to antibiotics, etc. Just something to keep an eye on.

Be careful of white potato in diet as it is an inflammatory food and makes mine throw up if in diets. Every dog is different but my ibd york cannot have any diets with white potato in it.

If you like home cooking which i think is great I just do not have the time to do so myself then you may want to contact Holistic Veterinarian Pet Nutritionist Holistic Pet Care she is a nutritionist that has helped many pet owners on here with their dogs with ibd, pancreatitis and ple.

Hopefully with the right diet you can just treat with diet. If your dog was vomitting and diarrhea could be tied to colitis or ibd as sounds like the whole intestinal tract was inflamed - they can get colitis from being stressed but ibd is tied to the diet. Chicken many times is not good for dogs with ibd as well as ibd and allergies are tied together and chicken and beef are the number one allergents to these type of dogs. Some ibd dogs do ok on chicken. Google inflammatory foods and stay clear of those - I think oprah has a list on her site for these from a doctor. Some pet nutritionists feel the potato theory and nightshade family theory is not true where white potato is inflammatory and sweet potato is anti-inflammatory - in seeing it in my three dogs vomitting white potato and having seen it in all three i tend to believe it to be true. Also when my ibd dog threw up on ivd white fish and potato, hills dd salmon and potato yet not throwing up on ultra z/d which has rice i feel it to be true but with ibd it is tough but once you find the right food you stick to it until it no longer works and do not mess around with food with them you have to be very strict with their diet or you will have problems and lots of vet bills

[Dave V]

Today was his best day so far. Decided to get him out of the house, so we took him to the camper. While my wife was doing a little spring cleaning,
I took him for a short walk, I carried him about half the time. I made him some hamburger with taters, "small amountof taters" he really liked that. This was for breakfast and lunch, about a teaspoon each time. Then for supper we tried Purina en, it has beef also, we are trying to stay with the same meat. He ate quite a bit of the hard food. He hasn't had a bowel monement yet, not sure why. The vet said not to worry because he really hadn't ate that much, "He will when he needs to", we are just comcerned. He is running around the house like a mad man playing and barking, my wife said we have our little boy back, I think she is right. Feels good to see him acting normal.
Thanks again,
Dave

[ladyjane]

I am not so sure hamburger is something he should be eating. What you cook and what EN has in it are two totally different things. That is pretty greasy food imo. Take a look around the Health and Diet forum for some tips about foods to feed.

[Dave V]

Yea I know, we really didn't want to feed him this, but he just will not eat. I tried to drain off the gease as much as possible. We heard they'll eatwhen they get hungry, I think as weak as he was we needed to get some food in his belly, plus the vet said no more chicken breast. We could tell that's was he wanted to eat. Thanks for the heads up on the health link I will check it out.
Dave

[Patti]

Glad Rascal is doing better!!!

[Dave V]

Originally Posted by Patti

Glad Rascal is doing better!!!

Thanks, he just went to bed with mom, he drank more water today than on Sat. We started caling him our lttle boy a couple of years ago, boy ain't it the truth.
Dave

[Dave V]

Ok guys we need your help again, got some blood work today, mixed bag. All numbers looked got except for HCT and BUN Both were above normal. The BUN was 54 and HCT was 58.3 and urine gravity was 10.16, the rest of his numbers were good.The OSU vet asked how much water he was drinking. On Sat he only drank 1 ounce and 4 ounces on Sunday. He said we need to get at least 6 to 8 ounces of water in him everyday. He said that he is getting dehydrated again,so we need to get on top of this quick, He is going to call our vet to show us how to put water under his skin. Again he said he didn't think it was Kidney disease. He told us to do this for the next 2 weeks to get all the antiboics through his system and out. Also hopefully kill of any infection that may be hanging around. We did get a little beef broth and mixed it with water and mom got him to drink almost 3 ounces at one sitting. She is going to take the rest of the week off and work with him all day on drinking and eating. He is boucning around the house like a crazy man, so it's hard to think he is sick. The OSU vet just keeps saying he doesn't think it's a kidney, if he doesn't get better in 2 weeks back to OSU to run a scope down his throat and do a few biopsies looking in his,stomach, GI etc. for problems. The OSU vet did say at the end of the conversation, yea this could be the beginning of KD but he just didn't think so. We are going to get real aggerisive with his diet, and drinking. What gets me, this is how he has drank his whole life, not a big drinker. What do you guys think?
Dave

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by Dave V

Ok guys we need your help again, got some blood work today, mixed bag. All numbers looked got except for HCT and BUN Both were above normal. The BUN was 54 and HCT was 58.3 and urine gravity was 10.16, the rest of his numbers were good.The OSU vet asked how much water he was drinking. On Sat he only drank 1 ounce and 4 ounces on Sunday. He said we need to get at least 6 to 8 ounces of water in him everyday. He said that he is getting dehydrated again,so we need to get on top of this quick, He is going to call our vet to show us how to put water under his skin. Again he said he didn't think it was Kidney disease. He told us to do this for the next 2 weeks to get all the antiboics through his system and out. Also hopefully kill of any infection that may be hanging around. We did get a little beef broth and mixed it with water and mom got him to drink almost 3 ounces at one sitting. She is going to take the rest of the week off and work with him all day on drinking and eating. He is boucning around the house like a crazy man, so it's hard to think he is sick. The OSU vet just keeps saying he doesn't think it's a kidney, if he doesn't get better in 2 weeks back to OSU to run a scope down his throat and do a few biopsies looking in his,stomach, GI etc. for problems. The OSU vet did say at the end of the conversation, yea this could be the beginning of KD but he just didn't think so. We are going to get real aggerisive with his diet, and drinking. What gets me, this is how he has drank his whole life, not a big drinker. What do you guys think?
Dave

i would not use beef broth i would use low sodium chicken broth in water to make him more thirsty and drink water as high sodium can hurt the kidneys so may be why it was high low sodium best and just a little to entice drinking. Also get a fresh drinking fountain possibly will help to keep it fresh so he drinks more is another option. Kidney issues need low sodium so very important

did you get any feed back from the kidney group?

the water under skin is called subQ's

http://www.petplace.com/dogs/underst...s-2/page1.aspx

HCT is an abbreviation for hematocrit. The hematocrit is a calculated percentage of red blood cells in the circulation. It gives similar information to the red blood cell count but the value is expressed as a percentage. The other part of the blood is serum, containing enzymes, proteins, electrolytes, etc. High hematocrits indicate dehydration or rare bone marrow disorders resulting in increased red blood cell production. Low hematocrits indicate anemia, bone marrow disorders, blood loss, active bleeding or excessive red blood destruction due to toxins or immune disorders.

[Dave V]

I got signed up, but my membership is still pending. I keep looking but no changes on my membership. I would really like to talk to these people.....

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by Dave V

I got signed up, but my membership is still pending. I keep looking but no changes on my membership. I would really like to talk to these people.....

pm me your email as i think i am on that group and i will try to email the owner to get you on quicker

[dwerten]

ok i just posted on the group to ask them to get you approved asap hopefully that will work

you will get emails or you can post directly on the yahoo group itself

let me know if it works

[Dave V]

Made another trip to OSU after the blood work last night. He wasn't acting good so we took him. We on the way down he decided to eat and drink, and perked right up, so when they did blood work all his numbers were right on the money!!! They didn't do anything, so their best guess is all the bad crap inside him got flushed out and his kidneys started working great. So they changed his antibiodics something less strong just to be safe and we are going to hydrate him to be safe for few days. we got him some good vitamens and are working on his diet. He has taken 3 drinks of water since we got home. Hope this is the last time we have to go through this.
Thanks again,
Dave

[Dave V]

Here's an update. He seems to be doing very good. He's drinking plenty of water and eating like a horse. We are slowly getting him off his chicken /potato food he likes. The OSU vets said it was ok to feed him this to get his strength back. After he is normal get him on more low protein diet. He reallys like the Purinea IN food. They would like to do some blood work in about a week to check things out to be safe. He is really lucky, this could have turned very bad if we hadn't acted so quickly. We are both very glad to have our little boy back. He is still a little weak but getting stronger everyday. Thanks again for all your thoughts and prayers.
Dave,Jodi and Rascal