6mo MORKIE possible LS??????

[ArmaniMan]

Originally Posted by 143julz

I called my vet who will be able to perform the BAT test for her pup...
She is hoping to get in this weekend for the "initail" appt, which she will bring the past 2 blood panels for them to review and then schedule from there
No more Banfield visits....hopefully, fingers crossed, and PAW'S, that the BAT results prove the Banfield panels to be WRONG!!!

great! I am so glad to hear this... I wish your friend and her pup all the luck, please let us know if she has any more questions!

[143julz]

thanks dustmops, I've searched on YT, I didn't get those results...
I am not doing something right!!!
Just like i TRIED to post a copy of the blood panels she sent me...

Thanks again YT

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by 143julz

Hi YT...I will keep this short...I got a call from an old co worker of mine and here is the short..

Christmas Eve her pup was rushed to ER, b/c it wasn't eating, vomitting, walking walls, whinning...the ALT was 252. Overnight stay w/ fluids, discharged home with l/d food and Adensyl 1xday 100 mg.

They had a check up w/ their vet (Banifeild) y-day. (I was able to send her some info that i read here about BAT testing for LS. so perhaps vet would recommend it
ALT was in the 800, the vet suggested that an ultra sounds was in order and if surgery was needed it would be over $3K. They asked about BAT testing as an option and vet said with ALT that high it was the liver
She told me that her pup has not displayed any symptoms, eats her meals, runnning, playing and being active. The only that changed is the pup started pooing and peeing in her cage...MIND YOU 6mo OLD.
She got the pup at just over 8wks old, from parents at her kids school who had an accidential liter, they have been to their home and they are not breeders. When she told them what was going on they felt terrible, but said they weren't aware of any illness while they had pup...(OK, it was only 8wk) I can see that
I told her about this site an hope she joins, I read alot about Dr. Davis (i hope thats right) you all recommend for LS wasn't there like 2 schools...i swear spends HOURS on this site but now when i want pass the info on to help someone make good decisions i can't find it
I wanna say DWERTEN is a source for LS pups, i searched for her post (prob not doing search right) but i see she hasn't been on in few, hope she okay
Does this sound like LS to you all?
Thanks bunches

sounds like liver shunt - get the bats then right to scintigraphy skip the ultrasound waste of money they cannot usually see it on there and i would fly to university of tennessee spend a week there and have the surgery done by dr tobias. The symptoms like this creep up within first year so the dog can act normal then whamo it hits them like with this one - i would bet money this is liver shunt. Unless the dog was on drugs or got into something toxic the alt would not be that high unless those things happened

join the liver shunt groups on yahoogroups.com they are wonderful there are two of them

[143julz]

Thanks Dwerten, you're one the many post i read and got info from and sent to her
I was out of town till today and talked to her earlier...She went in on Saturday for an initial exam, and they scheduled the BAT yesterday She will know the results next week, she is on pins and needles, i feel so bad that she is dealing with this.
I'm trying to help pass info onto her, she's a busy mom, like many and just doesn't have the time for research and reading....one thing was she said what she wanted (BAT) and got it
We'll see what they say when they get the results...paws crossed

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by 143julz

Thanks Dwerten, you're one the many post i read and got info from and sent to her
I was out of town till today and talked to her earlier...She went in on Saturday for an initial exam, and they scheduled the BAT yesterday She will know the results next week, she is on pins and needles, i feel so bad that she is dealing with this.
I'm trying to help pass info onto her, she's a busy mom, like many and just doesn't have the time for research and reading....one thing was she said what she wanted (BAT) and got it
We'll see what they say when they get the results...paws crossed

just checking in on this little one any news?

[143julz]

Originally Posted by dwerten

just checking in on this little one any news?

They don't have results...It was done Monday, how long does it normally take to get them back?

[143julz]

What is the difference between ultra sounds and scintigraphy? I told her about the recommendation of skipping ultra sound and going for scintigraphy when they get BAT results back (if needed, hopefully Banifield was off on the blood work)...

[ArmaniMan]

Originally Posted by 143julz

They don't have results...It was done Monday, how long does it normally take to get them back?

I have always gotten my BATS back in about a day.

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by 143julz

They don't have results...It was done Monday, how long does it normally take to get them back?

usually back the next day that is odd? maybe she should call

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by 143julz

What is the difference between ultra sounds and scintigraphy? I told her about the recommendation of skipping ultra sound and going for scintigraphy when they get BAT results back (if needed, hopefully Banifield was off on the blood work)...

ultrasound is very hard to see the shunt in a toy breed so a waste of $400 really but the scintigraphy is where they shoot radio active dye capsule through butt and take a ton of pics seeing if the capsule passes the liver if it passes it there is a shunt re routing the capsule and this is way more accurate and the same cost as ultrasound

[dwerten]

here is info on scintigraphy but this is only if numbers way over 100 in my opinion in a dog having symptoms so need to see bats first

Portal Scintigraphy in Veterinary Medicine

[143julz]

Thanks D---copied and sent her the link to print out and take with her...Waiting on her to send me a reply on the BAT test if she heard anythign this mornning....

[143julz]

Here goes....she got the results (had them since last week)..(upset that she didn't tell me until last night)
She said the Dr told her they were "HIGH" and NOT GOOD. I asked if she recalled numbers, but she didn't, she said she would try and get a copy from the Dr office....I asked if they said what the next step would be and of course they want to do ultrasound. I urged her to request scintigraphy and steer away from ultrasound....

She is not sure if they can afford the next test at this point. i sent her info on the Care card and other options i found on line back when we first spoke. She's hasn't applied for anything YET.
After a few more things were discussed I also mentioned "surrendering" her pup so that she could have the opportunity for survivial... Should of kept my mouth shut, but i wanted her to know that as a last resort, and that she had an option....
She thanked me for all that I've done in sending her info and turning on to my Dr office for the BAT and said she didn't know what she was going to do, and that for now her pup didn't show any symptoms and that she was acting okay
When we hung up i got the feeling i overstepped my statement there, i said what i did because I just wanted her to know AS A LAST RESORT.
Please keep her pup in your prayers, I didn't get a warm fuzzy feeling that action was going to happen quickly. I'm not sure if she will update me but i will ask my dear friend for updates since they work together
I reminded her how her pups ALT shot up in a matter of 3 months and is now over 800. Fingers and PAWS crossed for her lil one...THANKS and if I hear anything I will update on here.

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by 143julz

Here goes....she got the results (had them since last week)..(upset that she didn't tell me until last night)
She said the Dr told her they were "HIGH" and NOT GOOD. I asked if she recalled numbers, but she didn't, she said she would try and get a copy from the Dr office....I asked if they said what the next step would be and of course they want to do ultrasound. I urged her to request scintigraphy and steer away from ultrasound....

She is not sure if they can afford the next test at this point. i sent her info on the Care card and other options i found on line back when we first spoke. She's hasn't applied for anything YET.
After a few more things were discussed I also mentioned "surrendering" her pup so that she could have the opportunity for survivial... Should of kept my mouth shut, but i wanted her to know that as a last resort, and that she had an option....
She thanked me for all that I've done in sending her info and turning on to my Dr office for the BAT and said she didn't know what she was going to do, and that for now her pup didn't show any symptoms and that she was acting okay
When we hung up i got the feeling i overstepped my statement there, i said what i did because I just wanted her to know AS A LAST RESORT.
Please keep her pup in your prayers, I didn't get a warm fuzzy feeling that action was going to happen quickly. I'm not sure if she will update me but i will ask my dear friend for updates since they work together
I reminded her how her pups ALT shot up in a matter of 3 months and is now over 800. Fingers and PAWS crossed for her lil one...THANKS and if I hear anything I will update on here.

try to get the numbers as high to some vets is mvd so since no symptoms could still be that and low protein diet is all she needs - hopefully she will get the care she deserves - sadly like myself people do not prepare for what if the dog gets sick and then the dog suffers as cost of vet care is high. Let me know numbers and we can try to help - you can only lead a horse to water but if they do not drink nothing you can do and it was good you let her know there are options of surrrendering - I did the same thing on here had a ge buddy that had a liver shunt boy told her to surrender him if she was not going to do surgery and she didn't and when i pm her later he was dead it broke my heart and made me very sad as all she had to do was give him to a rescue to get the surgery but she did not have the money and i think was selfish and let him die rather than give him up which i felt was wrong I do not think she is on here anymore but it really upset me