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dwerten · 01-22-2010, 06:29 PM

read this thread as this is a neurological disease in this breed

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sic...king-help.html

wemple2 · 01-22-2010, 08:12 PM

I'd be interested to know what testing has been done and those results...ask your vet for copies of all test results for your own record. Bile acid test is simple and inexpensive. Good idea to start there, be sure to get a CMP/complete metabolic profile as well, this will include BUN/creat. The double set of teeth is an issue and may be causing some of the symptoms...but I doubt the vet will remove them without a blood work-up first. Hope this is something that can be easily fixed.

lillymae · 01-22-2010, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by wemple2

I'd be interested to know what testing has been done and those results...ask your vet for copies of all test results for your own record. Bile acid test is simple and inexpensive. Good idea to start there, be sure to get a CMP/complete metabolic profile as well, this will include BUN/creat. The double set of teeth is an issue and may be causing some of the symptoms...but I doubt the vet will remove them without a blood work-up first. Hope this is something that can be easily fixed.

:thum bup:

peggynitro · 01-23-2010, 03:37 AM

Living Dust Mops (I like the name btw), this Vet is one that is a small town Vet (pop. 300-400). He see's horses and cows lots since we're out in "No Man's Land" here. But that is exactly why I brought my dog problems to this forum and so far I'm getting so much appreciated tips on what this could be.

This Vet is treating her with 2 medications. One is Baytril (1/2 tablet (22mg) once daily) and the other is Prednisolone (1/4 tablet (5mg) twice daily). I'm not sure which works in which manner but I believe (but I'm not really sure) is that one is to fight infections (if it is her ear) and the other one is to fight inflammation if it is brain, ear, or whatever. "SO FAR" she seems to have some slight improvement since Wed. (20-25% better).

Where the Vet and I left things when I saw him late Tuesday evening was that he felt it was brain but he was agreeable to try anything and this is why we were going with the possability it could be her inner ear. I think too that it could be a combination of things but at the moment, I'm thinking those crowding teeth "must" come out first! The antibiotics she's currently on will help "maybe" with a more speedy recovery after teeth extraction but those things need to be out no matter what (IMO). If it ends up being a problem in her brain.......it will be well worth the effert (IMO again). But this is where I'm at with things at the moment. It's 5:30 AM and I can't wait for these Vets offices to open today (Sat.). Might not be able to get her in until Mon. but I'm after the "quickest" appointment I can get and NOT with this Vet here (different one) that charged my 4X's what the Farm Vet charges and she was "supposedly" specialized in cats and dogs but removed adult teeth (6) from my male!

Don't trust your Vet or your own doctor EVER at 100%. Always get different opinions! PR

dwerten · 01-23-2010, 09:10 AM

the baytril is the big gun antibiotic and the prednisolone is a steroid and is the anti-inflammatory. I think the vet is right to think neurological

but a blood panel is first step and when doing blood panel do the bile acids to rule out liver disease. I really do not think teeth would cause this as my boy had 10 baby teeth removed and never acted like that he was like a little shark but he was only 6 months how about yours?

peggynitro · 01-23-2010, 10:44 AM

I'm at awww that the Vet never even suggested doing any lab work when I had her there. Maybe he thought it wasn't worth the trouble and expense. Dunno why he didn't bring it up and to be truthful, I didn't think of it either. I did phone and get her an appointment (Wed.) for her teeth. She is slowly improving day by day. Today she is still lopsided but more frisky and not as sensitive to touch (like before). I think maybe I should phone on Monday and see if he would run her labs and take another look at her to see for himself on how much better she is doing. He did look at her pupils though and he told me they were fine. Not that uneven pupils needs to always be present to diagnose brain issues. I do think you're right and labs should be done. I'll ask if they wouldn't mind doing the bile acid check too. I almost had to beg them to get her in for her teeth on Wednesday though. Seems their schedule is just jammed. Six-seven Vets in this group and it's harder than heck to get in, lol. I'll definately give it a try though! Peggy

red98vett · 01-24-2010, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by peggynitro

Living Dust Mops (I like the name btw), this Vet is one that is a small town Vet (pop. 300-400). He see's horses and cows lots since we're out in "No Man's Land" here. But that is exactly why I brought my dog problems to this forum and so far I'm getting so much appreciated tips on what this could be.

This Vet is treating her with 2 medications. One is Baytril (1/2 tablet (22mg) once daily) and the other is Prednisolone (1/4 tablet (5mg) twice daily). I'm not sure which works in which manner but I believe (but I'm not really sure) is that one is to fight infections (if it is her ear) and the other one is to fight inflammation if it is brain, ear, or whatever. "SO FAR" she seems to have some slight improvement since Wed. (20-25% better).

Where the Vet and I left things when I saw him late Tuesday evening was that he felt it was brain but he was agreeable to try anything and this is why we were going with the possability it could be her inner ear. I think too that it could be a combination of things but at the moment, I'm thinking those crowding teeth "must" come out first! The antibiotics she's currently on will help "maybe" with a more speedy recovery after teeth extraction but those things need to be out no matter what (IMO). If it ends up being a problem in her brain.......it will be well worth the effert (IMO again). But this is where I'm at with things at the moment. It's 5:30 AM and I can't wait for these Vets offices to open today (Sat.). Might not be able to get her in until Mon. but I'm after the "quickest" appointment I can get and NOT with this Vet here (different one) that charged my 4X's what the Farm Vet charges and she was "supposedly" specialized in cats and dogs but removed adult teeth (6) from my male!

Don't trust your Vet or your own doctor EVER at 100%. Always get different opinions! PR

Good luck again !! The Baytril prescribed is for the ears. IF it is an inner ear infection - I'm surprised he didn't give you the Ear Drop form of Baytril along with the pills.

The Prednisolone is an active steriod and can be a wonder drug ...I'm not sure if I'm correct here or not but I THINK it's a form of prednisone which has alot of adverse side effects - so you have to be really careful with dosage etc...

for your sake - I Really hope it's an inner ear infection....and you're smart to get other opinions !

laci32 · 01-24-2010, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by peggynitro

Hi, anyone have or had any experience with their Yorkie (under 1 year) walking lopsided, circles left, slightly drops her left ear, super sensative to touch, and she has double teeth right now so her tongue is out more and she is having troubles eating (we just went back to all soft fod with her)?

My Vet suspects fluid/tumor on the brain but her pupils are even. No fever and no worms (just tested for Raccoon Disease). We're treating for ear with antibiotics and an anti-imflammitory drug to try and help if there is some brain swelling or whatever. She just went on the drugs on Wednesday and only a "slight" improvement which might be from the fact that she can eat better with the soft foods. The 2nd Vet (today) that tested for worms thinks it's ears as well.

MRI here is $1600-$2200 and that's just to crazy to pay that if there is no help for her anyway. If anyone has any ideas PLEASE write and let me know (peggynitro@aol.com). Thanks Folks, Peggy

All those teeth need to come out .Andy had to rows of teeth and had them all removed .I didn't wait 2 reasons . He was having difficulting eating .2 there is such a buildup of bacteria growing in all those teeth the possibility of there being a bad infection that has spread to ears,Brain . Please have vet care done right away. Poor thing
Please keep us informed

BanditSocks2 · 01-24-2010, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by WV~Yorkies

Have they tested for Liver Shunt?

sounds like a lot of the same symptoms to me too

Patti · 01-24-2010, 03:55 PM

I would definitely insist on blood work being done before having her put under for any reason. Hoping she continues to improve.

Dixies Mom · 01-24-2010, 04:13 PM

I have a little girl, she was born in March 09, perfectly healthy but tiny. She was about 3 months old when she spent the whole day with my vet having bloodwork and liver panel done. I had someone who wanted her and I wanted to make sure she was perfect. All test came back perfect! (I ended up keeping her) when she was about 5 months old she began to stagger, she was very tiny and I thought that was why. a few weeks later she couldn't walk, she tried and she would fall over, we rushed her to the hospital where she stayed for three days, they ran all the test they could think of and all were normal. We brought her home and she eventually was able to walk again, still with a stagger (like an inner ear problem) but she is doing well. The vet felt is was a genetic abnormality some where in the lines.

dwerten · 01-24-2010, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by red98vett

Good luck again !! The Baytril prescribed is for the ears. IF it is an inner ear infection - I'm surprised he didn't give you the Ear Drop form of Baytril along with the pills.

The Prednisolone is an active steriod and can be a wonder drug ...I'm not sure if I'm correct here or not but I THINK it's a form of prednisone which has alot of adverse side effects - so you have to be really careful with dosage etc...

for your sake - I Really hope it's an inner ear infection....and you're smart to get other opinions !

prednisolone is broken down prednisone so the liver does not have to work as hard to break it down so it is actually better than prednisone

red98vett · 01-24-2010, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by dwerten

prednisolone is broken down prednisone so the liver does not have to work as hard to break it down so it is actually better than prednisone

Thanks - my brain kicked in after I posted - My husband was on prednisone for 1-1/2 years before he died and I do remember reading about prednisolone

laci32 - your're right about the teeth issues - the double rows are a breeding ground for bacteria

peggynitro....all the best when you go back to the vet - I really hope you get some answers - this has to be so upsetting and not knowing why makes it all even worse ....

AbbysMom08 · 01-24-2010, 10:06 PM

I will keep your little girl in my prayers.
Please keep us posted.

twilson28 · 01-25-2010, 07:40 AM

Hi Peggy -- please push for liver shunt testing if you haven't done so already. The Bile Acid Test usually only costs about $100 bucks and it is very informative in determining whether the liver may be the issue.

Liver shunt is VERY had to diagnose, because some dogs have very severe symptoms and some have virtually none. My lhasapoo just had his liver shunt surgery at AMC in NYC (11/10/09) and thankfully, he's doing great post-op with no complications! But he didn't get dignosed until 2 1/2 and he had virtually NO SYMPTOMS -- Not just "some" of the symptoms listed...he had NONE!! I had to fight and push and demand my Vet to do more testing, because she said I was over-reacting about him being too tired. That's why I brought him in...his pee was too dark and he was always sleepy. Since he had no severe, clear-cut liver shunt symptoms, they refused to believe that was the problem.

Well, a couple blood tests, bile acid tests and ultrasounds later, voila! Liver shunt was clear as day and we instantly started prepping our little man with the food and supplements needed to get his liver strong and ready to endure surgery.

Vets know VERY little about liver issue (scary, but I've learned very true) and sometimes, you just have to demand to have things done to get answers.

Best of luck with this! It's not easy....but my little man is now healthy and happy and while we have used TONS of Care Credit credit cards to pay for all our testing and everything else, he's our baby and we realize now we would've paid 10 times as much, and eaten Campbell's soup for the next 5 years if we had to, in order to afford his Vet bills....

Tania, Chewy (lhasapoo) and Sparky (crazy Yorkie)

01-22-2010, 08:12 PM	#17
wemple2 Wee Winston Wiggles Donating Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Kewanee, Illinois Posts: 9,666	I'd be interested to know what testing has been done and those results...ask your vet for copies of all test results for your own record. Bile acid test is simple and inexpensive. Good idea to start there, be sure to get a CMP/complete metabolic profile as well, this will include BUN/creat. The double set of teeth is an issue and may be causing some of the symptoms...but I doubt the vet will remove them without a blood work-up first. Hope this is something that can be easily fixed. __________________ As Ever, Kathy Intruducing Bentley Winston and Spencer: RIP My Sweet Angels

01-24-2010, 03:55 PM	#25
Patti Donating YT 30K Club Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Illinois Posts: 35,509 Blog Entries: 6	I would definitely insist on blood work being done before having her put under for any reason. Hoping she continues to improve. __________________ Cali Pixie Roxie : RIP Nikki; RIP Maya;RIP my sweet Dixie girl 1/17/08 http://callipuppyscastle.bravehost.com/index.html

01-24-2010, 10:06 PM	#29
AbbysMom08 Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Illinois Posts: 2,268	I will keep your little girl in my prayers. Please keep us posted. __________________ Jan, Mommy to Abby

01-22-2010, 06:29 PM	#16
dwerten BANNED! Join Date: May 2007 Location: USA Posts: 11,073	read this thread as this is a neurological disease in this breed http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sic...king-help.html

01-23-2010, 03:37 AM	#19
peggynitro Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Iowa Posts: 36	Living Dust Mops (I like the name btw), this Vet is one that is a small town Vet (pop. 300-400). He see's horses and cows lots since we're out in "No Man's Land" here. But that is exactly why I brought my dog problems to this forum and so far I'm getting so much appreciated tips on what this could be. This Vet is treating her with 2 medications. One is Baytril (1/2 tablet (22mg) once daily) and the other is Prednisolone (1/4 tablet (5mg) twice daily). I'm not sure which works in which manner but I believe (but I'm not really sure) is that one is to fight infections (if it is her ear) and the other one is to fight inflammation if it is brain, ear, or whatever. "SO FAR" she seems to have some slight improvement since Wed. (20-25% better). Where the Vet and I left things when I saw him late Tuesday evening was that he felt it was brain but he was agreeable to try anything and this is why we were going with the possability it could be her inner ear. I think too that it could be a combination of things but at the moment, I'm thinking those crowding teeth "must" come out first! The antibiotics she's currently on will help "maybe" with a more speedy recovery after teeth extraction but those things need to be out no matter what (IMO). If it ends up being a problem in her brain.......it will be well worth the effert (IMO again). But this is where I'm at with things at the moment. It's 5:30 AM and I can't wait for these Vets offices to open today (Sat.). Might not be able to get her in until Mon. but I'm after the "quickest" appointment I can get and NOT with this Vet here (different one) that charged my 4X's what the Farm Vet charges and she was "supposedly" specialized in cats and dogs but removed adult teeth (6) from my male! Don't trust your Vet or your own doctor EVER at 100%. Always get different opinions! PR

01-23-2010, 09:10 AM	#20
dwerten BANNED! Join Date: May 2007 Location: USA Posts: 11,073	the baytril is the big gun antibiotic and the prednisolone is a steroid and is the anti-inflammatory. I think the vet is right to think neurological but a blood panel is first step and when doing blood panel do the bile acids to rule out liver disease. I really do not think teeth would cause this as my boy had 10 baby teeth removed and never acted like that he was like a little shark but he was only 6 months how about yours?

01-23-2010, 10:44 AM	#21
peggynitro Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Iowa Posts: 36	I'm at awww that the Vet never even suggested doing any lab work when I had her there. Maybe he thought it wasn't worth the trouble and expense. Dunno why he didn't bring it up and to be truthful, I didn't think of it either. I did phone and get her an appointment (Wed.) for her teeth. She is slowly improving day by day. Today she is still lopsided but more frisky and not as sensitive to touch (like before). I think maybe I should phone on Monday and see if he would run her labs and take another look at her to see for himself on how much better she is doing. He did look at her pupils though and he told me they were fine. Not that uneven pupils needs to always be present to diagnose brain issues. I do think you're right and labs should be done. I'll ask if they wouldn't mind doing the bile acid check too. I almost had to beg them to get her in for her teeth on Wednesday though. Seems their schedule is just jammed. Six-seven Vets in this group and it's harder than heck to get in, lol. I'll definately give it a try though! Peggy

01-24-2010, 04:13 PM	#26
Dixies Mom YT Addict Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: South Carolina Posts: 258	I have a little girl, she was born in March 09, perfectly healthy but tiny. She was about 3 months old when she spent the whole day with my vet having bloodwork and liver panel done. I had someone who wanted her and I wanted to make sure she was perfect. All test came back perfect! (I ended up keeping her) when she was about 5 months old she began to stagger, she was very tiny and I thought that was why. a few weeks later she couldn't walk, she tried and she would fall over, we rushed her to the hospital where she stayed for three days, they ran all the test they could think of and all were normal. We brought her home and she eventually was able to walk again, still with a stagger (like an inner ear problem) but she is doing well. The vet felt is was a genetic abnormality some where in the lines.

01-25-2010, 07:40 AM	#30
twilson28 Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Ridgefield, NJ Posts: 38	Hi Peggy -- please push for liver shunt testing if you haven't done so already. The Bile Acid Test usually only costs about $100 bucks and it is very informative in determining whether the liver may be the issue. Liver shunt is VERY had to diagnose, because some dogs have very severe symptoms and some have virtually none. My lhasapoo just had his liver shunt surgery at AMC in NYC (11/10/09) and thankfully, he's doing great post-op with no complications! But he didn't get dignosed until 2 1/2 and he had virtually NO SYMPTOMS -- Not just "some" of the symptoms listed...he had NONE!! I had to fight and push and demand my Vet to do more testing, because she said I was over-reacting about him being too tired. That's why I brought him in...his pee was too dark and he was always sleepy. Since he had no severe, clear-cut liver shunt symptoms, they refused to believe that was the problem. Well, a couple blood tests, bile acid tests and ultrasounds later, voila! Liver shunt was clear as day and we instantly started prepping our little man with the food and supplements needed to get his liver strong and ready to endure surgery. Vets know VERY little about liver issue (scary, but I've learned very true) and sometimes, you just have to demand to have things done to get answers. Best of luck with this! It's not easy....but my little man is now healthy and happy and while we have used TONS of Care Credit credit cards to pay for all our testing and everything else, he's our baby and we realize now we would've paid 10 times as much, and eaten Campbell's soup for the next 5 years if we had to, in order to afford his Vet bills.... Tania, Chewy (lhasapoo) and Sparky (crazy Yorkie)