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dwerten 01-15-2010 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by kdifran92 (Post 2957656)
Not knowing a full complete medical history on your beloved Zoe it sounds like your dog has acid reflux for short.

Gastroesophageal reflux is the process by which stomach acids backs up into the esphagus, resulting in chemical burns of the mucous lining. Try feeding your dog very small meals that are bland through out the day. High fat foods and protein can worsen acid reflux. Dietary fat and protein should be limited, as fat decreases the strength of the muscle between the stomach and esophagus, while protein stimulates the secretion of gastric acid. With the diet change you should also try medication as well. I think Prilosec that you can get over the counter might help. Check with your vet for proper dosage.

Red blood in the vomit indicates active bleeding somewhere between the mouth and the upper small bowel. (Blood from the nasopharynx and esophagus may be swallowed.) Common causes are stomach and duodenal ulcers, gastrointenal foreign bodies, and gastric tumors. Material that looks like coffee grounds is old, partially digested blood. This also indicates a bleeding point between the mouth and upper small bowel.

Has your vet performed a esophagoscopy to pinpoint the possible cause?

I think the food change will help and i would try that without meds like pepcid ac first as always best if food alone can do the trick - If the blood is dark brown coffee ground looking it is indication of ulcer and why i asked if she had any nsaids as they can cause ulcers in the stomach lining. If fresh blood more red then could be do to a blood vessel from vomitting but i always have concerns of pancreatitis since small intestines are so close to pancreas and yorkies are prone to pancreatitis :( but you will definitely see signs if pancreatitis such as lethargy, tossing and turning etc as it is very painful been through that with mine

ally173 01-15-2010 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by dwerten (Post 2957476)
so happy your baby is doing well

the only way to diagnose is scoping intestines but i do not like that so i went with food trials and again rice over white potato as white potato is inflammatory and not good on ibd dogs as it inflames the intestines and backs them up :(

thanks Deb; i think it was the food all along. the halo i was feeding her had salmon; and the honest kitchen had lots of veggies and whatnot; sometimes it's too much for their digestive system to take.

i think it might be the food; few ingredients in the current food that might cause this; it might not be agreeing with his stomach and might be causing inflamation.
"Anchovy & Sardine Meal, Pork Meal, Dried Beet Pulp, Flaxseed"
you can try bland diet; chicken and rice or hamburger and rice for a week and see if that helps.
and you might want to consider a new type of protein in the food; such as lamb.
of course check with the vet about all is.
hope he feels better.

Coolafancy Zoe 01-15-2010 03:42 PM

Thanks so much guys for all of your suggestions, opinions and concerns, it really helps me feel better about my little one.
To answer your questions, Zoe hasn't been on any nsaids nor has she had any esophagoscopy, x-rays, ultrasound, etc. Although the vet had said that he might consider doing an x-ray or ultra sound, but that was before her blood-work and stuff came back normal and he said she had probably eaten something that didn't agree with her.
The blood in her vomit is small clots (maybe one millimeter wide), although she had actually thrown up pure blood before, that was when she went to the emergency room the day after thanksgiving. The other times she has thrown up blood it has been small clots in the vomit like this last time or a small amount of blood in the vomit.
I will keep her on a bland diet for a week as you have suggested and see how that goes.:thumbup:

dwerten 01-15-2010 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Coolafancy Zoe (Post 2958013)
Thanks so much guys for all of your suggestions, opinions and concerns, it really helps me feel better about my little one.
To answer your questions, Zoe hasn't been on any nsaids nor has she had any esophagoscopy, x-rays, ultrasound, etc. Although the vet had said that he might consider doing an x-ray or ultra sound, but that was before her blood-work and stuff came back normal and he said she had probably eaten something that didn't agree with her.
The blood in her vomit is small clots (maybe one millimeter wide), although she had actually thrown up pure blood before, that was when she went to the emergency room the day after thanksgiving. The other times she has thrown up blood it has been small clots in the vomit like this last time or a small amount of blood in the vomit.
I will keep her on a bland diet for a week as you have suggested and see how that goes.:thumbup:

wow the blood thing bums me out as have not experienced vomitted blood before :( poor thing but i know colitis diarhea can have blood in it as dd had that

ally173 01-15-2010 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by dwerten (Post 2958022)
wow the blood thing bums me out as have not experienced vomitted blood before :( poor thing but i know colitis diarhea can have blood in it as dd had that

believe me you don't want to experience that; i wish that on no one.
it's the worst thing ever; i felt helpless and scared; and i knew when she reached that point nothing else can help her but the ER; and we all know how much the ER cost and what i had to go through last time; and i never want to experience that again.

i hope your baby feels better soon and you get him on the right diet; so u dont have to go through that.

dwerten 01-15-2010 04:55 PM

ok here is what i would do in your situation i would get the canned and dry newman's own organic at whole foods - I would see if your baby will eat canned as that is easier to digest as when my baby had stress colitis i had to soak her kibble for a month so she would not vomit it up and the more i think about this due to move i think stress colitis set it off. If your baby will not eat the wet food then i would soak the kibble and see if she eats that. I would not do beef too high in fat and NO BROWN RICE it is too hard to digest I would really try to transition the food as that food is not working I do not think

Did you switch to this food around the time of vomitting or how long has your baby been eating it?

Coolafancy Zoe 01-16-2010 08:02 AM

Zoe started eating this food after the vomiting started as we had thought the other food has caused it.

mgrijalva15 01-16-2010 08:20 AM

Has the vet mentioned anything about conducting a barium exam to figure out exactly why the food is coming back up? I went through a similar situation.

dwerten 01-16-2010 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by mgrijalva15 (Post 2958915)
Has the vet mentioned anything about conducting a barium exam to figure out exactly why the food is coming back up? I went through a similar situation.

i would not do that myself i would first try low protein low fat diet as what is the test going to tell ?

dwerten 01-16-2010 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Coolafancy Zoe (Post 2958897)
Zoe started eating this food after the vomiting started as we had thought the other food has caused it.

can you name the food eaten before and after vomitting and link to them - what about food she was eating when no issues ?

Coolafancy Zoe 01-16-2010 10:14 AM

No, the vet never mentioned doing a barium exam.
The food Zoe had been on was:

EVO - Turkey & Chicken Formula Small Bites
Meat-Based Pet Food – Premium Dog Food, Cat Food, Ferret Food, Dog Treats – EVO Pet Products

Natures Variety - Instinct Duck Meal & Turkey Meal Formula
Instinct: Duck Meal & Turkey Meal Formula: Grain-Free Kibble for Dogs | Nature's Variety

These two were given at the same time as she doesn't like eating the same food for too long.

And she has presently been on Holistic Select Small & Mini Breed Radiant Adult Health
Holistic Select - Small & Mini Breed Radiant Adult Health - Anchovy, Sardine & Chicken Meals Recipe

Before that she had been on Wellness Small bites.
After thinking back to even when she was a puppy, I know she has always vomited but we had always thought it was because she didn't eat. Do think it is possible that the food had always made her vomit and she was not eating because she was nauseous which in turn lead to vomiting? Also is it possible that IBD can get worse or do you think that she is just reacting more to the food that she is on now?

dwerten 01-16-2010 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Coolafancy Zoe (Post 2959036)
No, the vet never mentioned doing a barium exam.
The food Zoe had been on was:

EVO - Turkey & Chicken Formula Small Bites
Meat-Based Pet Food – Premium Dog Food, Cat Food, Ferret Food, Dog Treats – EVO Pet Products

Natures Variety - Instinct Duck Meal & Turkey Meal Formula
Instinct: Duck Meal & Turkey Meal Formula: Grain-Free Kibble for Dogs | Nature's Variety

These two were given at the same time as she doesn't like eating the same food for too long.

And she has presently been on Holistic Select Small & Mini Breed Radiant Adult Health
Holistic Select - Small & Mini Breed Radiant Adult Health - Anchovy, Sardine & Chicken Meals Recipe

Before that she had been on Wellness Small bites.
After thinking back to even when she was a puppy, I know she has always vomited but we had always thought it was because she didn't eat. Do think it is possible that the food had always made her vomit and she was not eating because she was nauseous which in turn lead to vomiting? Also is it possible that IBD can get worse or do you think that she is just reacting more to the food that she is on now?

I think your answer here is poultry - duck, chicken meal, chicken, turkey so you may want to give natural balance venison and sweet potato a shot or the lamb and rice formula AVA is on as that is working for her - my ibd dog is on a hydrolized soy diet purina ha as he almost died of pancreatitis as he has ibd of small intestines thus triggering the pancreas if it gets bad enough.

My internal medicine specialist says many ibd dogs cannot tolerate chicken but dex does not have a prob with it so this may be the issue.

also keep in mind if a dog stops eating a food many times that is a sign the food is making them feel ill not so much they are tired of it so keep that in mind since this has been an ongoing issue

ally173 01-16-2010 03:21 PM

i agree; i would try lamb and rice; either purina pro plan or any other brand with lamb being the source of protein. if you get the purina pro plan lamb and rice; remove the shredded lamb pieces and just give the kibbles.
ava used to be very picky and doesnt want to eat; and vomited frequently. i am still having a bit of trouble getting her to eat; but she eats much better than before; and she likes this food. and has only vomited twice due to empty stomach (she doesnt eat enough sometimes)
i do think ibd gets worst with age, especially if it started earlier and wasn't caught in time. the wrong food can definetly worsen it.
one of the sign to look for; is when the dog is feeling nauseated in the morning and refuses food.
i hope your dog feels better soon

Coolafancy Zoe 01-16-2010 06:17 PM

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"also keep in mind if a dog stops eating a food many times that is a sign the food is making them feel ill not so much they are tired of it so keep that in mind since this has been an ongoing issue"
I will definitely keep this in mind.

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one of the sign to look for; is when the dog is feeling nauseated in the morning and refuses food
This is exactly what was happening lately and she couldn't get comfortable and she would scurry from one place to another trying to find a spot to lay down and she would also sometimes shake. Then she would look up at me as if she was hoping I could do something so the only thing that helped would be if I gave her a Cerenia (maropitant citrate) that the vet gave us. But I dont want to keep having to rely on the Cerenia, I really want to fix what is causing this.

Zoe has been on chicken and rice since she threw up the other morning and she is feeling SO MUCH better now. No nausea or vomiting so far :xfingers: Even my sister commented on how happy she seems and how much more energy she seems to have now.
:thumbs up to everyone! I am so glad that you guys are here to talk to and you understand.:ghug:

Coolafancy Zoe 01-16-2010 06:34 PM

Also I will look for a food for her with venison or lamb. I was also thinking of talking with a nutritionist and home cooking for her (any suggestions? lol).


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