glad to hear that he's doing better; last time i withheld food from Ava when she was vomiting she got worst; so i am very nervous now if she vomits; because i wouldnt know what to do. the other day she vomited from empty stomach and i was freaking out. and again once more linda called me to the rescue :) she tried calming me down.

yeah the hospital said no food or water until vomitting stops as last time i let him have water and he would vomit then gulp water then vomit gulp water it was a vicious cycle so this time i knew what to do and it worked but i still called the hospital to make them aware that he might be coming in. I have a client that is a cat vet and worse came to worse i would have her come to house and give sub qs if i had to as he gets car sick and once he stopped vomitting i did not want to take a chance of him starting again in car so i kept checking for dehydration and he was fine - thank goodness he is 11lb yorkie though

Sometimes it is not what we say but how we say it. I don't want to offend anyone...I just feel I need to say some things here. I do not think Mary was being rude at all. I hate to see this thread go on like this because it really is about Lola , but it has already gone a bit off and I feel like I need to say this.

I sometimes feel that you want everyone to mistrust their vets the way that you do. It is common theme in your posts. I know you feel strongly about holistic vets and that is your choice. I believe there is a place for holistic treatments, but not in place of tried and tested/proven medical treatments. I don't know how your person feels about HW prevention, but I have seen people tout holistic prevention and it makes me want to scream. Then, if the pups get heartworms, they scream about the treatments. Just scary stuff to me. Once they can do research that proves the medical community is wrong, I will stand up and listen. I am certain that the medical community would as well.

The problem on this forum as I see it is that many people continue to diagnose and it really is scary. I have seen over reactions and also under reactions. I just do not understand why people feel such a need to diagnose a persons pup based on only what they are reading on the internet. People without any veterinary medical education whatsoever. And, to tell people to go to their vet and tell the vet what tests to do. Unbelievable to me. I can see suggesting that they go to a vet (which is absolutely the first and best advice to give anyone) and ask the vet his/her feelings about a possible liver shunt or whatever some online person has decided the pup has. I also see people telling people oh don't worry it will go away...uhhhh a vet???? Makes me want to scream sometimes. I just saw a thread today where a person was told their pup could have anything from mange to Cushings....no one has even seen this pup....the person needs to take his pet to a vet if it is covered with scabs. I posted about this before...about how someone could get sued...well, I guess it will just have to happen one day and happen it probably will. People do not realize how serious this can be...diagnosing when you are not trained to do so.

As for Mary being rude. I don't see that at all. She is a very straight forward person as am I.

She and I have the same backgrounds and have had some medical training. You will not see us diagnosing and telling people their vets are not trained in nutrition. As for nutrition, there are vets who are trained in nutrition! We just cannot simply assume that everyone's vet is not trained in nutrition. As for foods being cancerous....there are many things that are cancerous. We cannot stop living. No one was suggesting to feed that pup fish for the rest of it's life...how we got to where we are is amazing. Why couldn't we just offer support...maybe suggest foods that might be good and be done with it. Why go on and on and on and on? Sometimes it is just too much...we cannot force people to do what we think. There is no reason to argue about anything. Lola needed to eat and a few pieces of tilapia I hardly doubt are going to give her cancer.

We also should not be making diagnoses without first of all having the proper training to do so...and then....seeing the pups, touching them, doing labs and xrays...

One thing to offer your experiences...quite another to go past the line and tell people how to treat...or insinuate their vet is steering them the wrong way. My vet has saved my pups lives on many occasions...and yes, she is top notch; but she is not the only top notch vet in the world.

You say you gather information...the problem as I see it is there is SO much information that it is overwhelming. How in the world can a person figure out what to believe and what to leave behind. People need to seek a vet out....first! Then, perhaps come here with a diagnosis and ask for tips in dealing with the treatments ordered by the vet.

This is just my opinion, and I don't expect everyone to agree. I merely share when I feel I should. I do believe many people cross the line on YT.

Very well said.

Hi Lissette,

I am hoping that any differences of opinions here have subsided.
Sometimes misinterpretations occur when we can only interact online versus face to face where meanings are easier understood with demeanor.

What stands out the most to me is... How VERY much we ALL care about precious Lola and yourself! Huggs

Personal experience with my kitty Jazzy was that I tried very hard to consider all factors but sometimes I had to do more unorthodox things in order for the greater good (e.g. a couple of times feeding her chemo pill in raw burger). Cats are much more difficult to administer medicine to at times. Yes, sometimes there are risks but sometimes we just have to do what we have to do. Please do not beat yourself up about it. It is obvious that you will take the advice that is offered as you are able and as it applies to your particular situation and with the counsel you choose.

Just remember we are here with you and for you despite what may seem as battles from time to time. Our passion tends to cause that I think.

Hope you are both having a better day today and know that you both are in our thoughts and prayers!

actually i take into consideration holistic, regular medicine and specialty not one sided to any as i believe they all have their purpose. I more side on conventional than holistic. Here in california Heartworm is not an issue like in other areas and one of the reasons i prefer to live in california over other areas as prefer not to use meds in sick dogs unless necessary like with dd she takes soloxine, temaril p and is on antibiotics hardly holistic at all - if i wanted to do holistic she would not be on soloxine i would increase her thyroid by using things such as kelp and she would be on natural cortisone not temarilp so again I think both you and Mary are misinterpreting again my posts. This all spun out of control because I PREFER cod over Tilapia and stated my reasons and that is where this all spun out of control. And i stand 100% by my preference and being attacked will not change that at all.

In regards to the skin thread there are many issues that could cause what this dog has and if you read my posts CORRECTLY i posted a link to dermatologist in their area and told them to go to a dermatologist and everyone posted their thoughts on this but it is up to the owner to get THEIR DOG to a DERMATOLOGIST with a skin issue as i take my dog to A DERMATOLOGIST for skin issues so I hardly think it is diagnosing a dog just suggestion from our experiences what the scabs could potentially be based on our dogs with skin issues.

I personally think people are helping others and do not look to the negative as I guess i am wrong in ASSUMING and giving people more credit that they are intelligent will gather the info and take it to their vet or specialist as I DO. I would never take what someone said over the internet as a possibility without going to vet or usually specialist and discussing with them what i found from others. I think that is what people do here at least again that is what i do.

For example I asked about dexter's nose and you stated linda it was probably dry nose and i have read it can be related to dry eye, lupus, etc not just a dry nose and you stated to take to vet and have vet look at him and I will and i will have the schirmer test on him to rule out dry eye but i do take into consideration it may just be what you said a dry nose but maybe it is not it may be dry eye so i value your consideration and gather that and called vet and opthamologist so that is the sharing part and i think we both agreed this other vet should not have done barium swallow test on a dog here so I think many time a question is in order so the person can ask vet why this was necessary there is no shame in asking why a test was done and for what purpose

i think maybe being in the medical profession for both of you has made you nervous about all this but it is a public forum where we share information to help one another and again NO ONE IS CLAIMING TO BE A VET HERE. If someone relies 100% on this site for medical care then that is absolutely RIDICULOUS it is a place to discuss things and try to analyze to figure out what is going on and discuss with vet

I have not had the best luck with vets BUT I HAVE GREAT SPECIALISTS I TRUST and have stated it OVER AND OVER AGAIN. But it seems you want to read into my posts analyze them and critique them to make sure i am wording them all perfectly. Sorry i do not have time for all that I work full time and just try to help others when i have time to do so but maybe this is just all a waste of time for me in trying to help others as who wants to help people on their free time and be critiqued for it

I just want to know since you both have a perfect way of words how I was suppose to say i prefer COD over Tilapia since I some how just do not seem to know how to state this properly here without offending you?

I asked Mary also on the liver shunt thread and still waiting on an answer how the 12 hr fast would ruin the pre bile acid test since most vets do it this way since dr centers seems to not be concerned with 12 hr fast with dogs i am sure that go hypoglycemic or tinies as they cannot make 12 fast so i would still like to know how the 12 hr fast will affect those results since i have had 3 of these tests done that way by two different vets and none skewed whatsoever all the same on pre?

I just find this all so humorous since i am on another group and the vet has never had a problem with my posts in helping others yet i post the same stuff here and two NON-VETS are attacking me saying my posts are out of line when i mostly send people to specialist or other members with same health issue or yahoogroups that can help them -very odd really

I see many people posting here that are not vets trying to help others but i guess if they disagree with you watch out for the wrath lolll

:rolleyes: I agree....LOL ...

I did not attack you. I am not going to reiterate myself. You just keep on keeping on girl. Whatever makes you feel good.

Sometimes the posts are exhausting and I do know well how to /ignore all. The reason I often do not is because I really hate seeing people frightened out of their wits or misinformed. Some of them ask and end up with multiple diagnoses. It would scare me....which is why if my pups have a problem the first place I head is to my vet. Some people head to the internet.

Well...I kind of beg to differ a bit here. Some people carry themselves in a manner that leads people to think they are experts.

I saw a post one day where someone told a poster to consult with the medical experts on YT....and they named a few people. Not one of them was a vet to my knowledge....so
I simply asked if we had vets here on YT. They said no. It just seemed crazy to me that they would refer to lay people as medical experts.

SO clearly some people DO come here and take what others say as gospel...and medical advice. And..as I said...one day someone's pup might die and the person might try to level blame.

I am not saying it again. I hope it never happens....first that someone would take what is told to them and not go to a vet...and second that their pup would die because they did not go to a vet.

You might say ...go to the vet...but if prefaced by a diagnosis and suggested treatment many people will take that and avoid spending money on a vet.

fair enough and shame on them as there are no vets here that i know of so maybe they should post that in sick and health section so it is posted and aware to all

There are some VERY SHARP people here that I do value their opinion just as on my vet group i am on as well as maltese group - I guess i would word it rather than expert as knowledgeable but honestly the average person is not going to make sure to put their words perfectly when trying to jump in to help someone.

and what about the dog that dies and no one tried to help and guide that person to a specialist or everyone here is so paranoid to say anything for fear of wording it wrong. I had NO CLUE what an internal medicine specialist was when dexter was so sick and i wish someone on a yorkie group would have referred me to that information but i had to figure it out on my own calling around for 24 hr care. Whoever comes here is at least going to get much more info than the average dog owner has which i believe helps save dogs by educating pet owners. I sure wish i would have come here before i got a dog I would not have purchased a dog from a backyard breeder nor a pet store but there again is LACK OF EDUCATION on my part but when they get sick it is AMAZING how educated you get

I agree there are some extremely well informed people on YT. Actually you are one of them. You have lots of great information about many different topics.

There are just some things I feel strongly about.

I love that YT is here to help people. I am certainly not suggesting that no one should offer help.

I just feel that diagnosing and prescribing should be left to the professionals. I also feel that people should be careful when giving advice. I actually saw someone advise a person one night to give Immodium to a pup with constipation.

yeah it is just a difference of handling health and many people cannot get into their vet on a moments notice and most spend 15 minutes rushed in a room. I personally prefer if not life threatening to come to internet send a pic, explain what is going on get some ideas and then go to vet with pictures or video or information on symptoms and so i am prepared. When i went to dentist I was prepared - said no vaccine as i knew it was not good, etc - she was impressed that i was very prepared. They do not have alot of time to dilly dally around they want to know what is going what are the symptoms, get temp, look at ears, eyes, feel dog but most IMPORTANTLY WHAT IS THE OWNER NOTICING AS SYMPTOMS so you are KEY in the diagnosis as well as you are the one who has to speak for your dog. I personally think health care and animal health is a team effort where all parties work together to get the best care possible.

I personally do not get scared with a bunch of diagnosis as i want to be informed - i take every diagnosis read up and go nope that is not it , ok this could be it, nope that is not it, etc and then off to vet.

I think if it scares them to get information here then maybe not post in sick and health and just go to vet and rely on vet info and come here with a true diagnosis for more information as i do not think there is going to be anyway to tell everyone here not to respond unless a vet has diagnosed - not sure maybe they can do that if it is such a problem but i personally value each persons opinion then narrow it down.

no way would i ever do this ever. I am actually against any med prescribing the only thing i have ever given doseage for was 1mg per 1lb of benedryl - i am against pepto in dogs as sulcrulfate is safer no aspirin in it - the med thing is totally up to the doctor in my book no way that is off limits. Now will i say here are some things to watch out for with a med heck yah like mixing ketoconazole and ivermectin as my friends dog went into a coma - I definitely will warn on stuff like that - Doctors and vets can make mistakes even specialists and why i tell people to ask pharmacist or manufacturer about drugs they know more

I just did a loan for a client that refused to do a loan without an equity line and the reason was his wife was prescribed meds by a specialist and the two meds killed her liver almost instantly and it was over thanksgiving weekend so they could not get a hold of insurance to make sure they would pay for liver transplant so they had to bring a check off equity line to get her on the liver transplant list - PEOPLE ARE HUMAN they make mistakes but sometimes not checking into things further ourselves can be detrimental to us or our dogs. Now had she called manufacture of drug and asked if it was ok to mix with another drug maybe they would have said no that is not a good idea she could have gone back to doctor and asked about this before taking them.

Hello, My lola seems sick one moment and barking at the bird the next moment. I dont wish this on anyone. She has had about 6 major runs, water diarrhea brown and it does not smell. It kind of smells like bleach but potent. When will this end. I want her running around my house being her mean moody lazy little princess that she is. Her appitite has been cut in half so I think Sporonox, the generic is Itraconazole, which I am NOT using, I am using Sporonox, and it is kicking in. I will be keeping this thread open to inform everyone on her progress. Has anyone ever used Sporonox? I have been giving her water with my fingers and yes I wait on Ms Lola hand and foot. Attachment 305659

poor baby but maybe she is detoxing by eliminating this fungal infection - so sorry but not familiar with this drug :( hope someone can help you more on this

Oops, I forgot Manolo, He is so worried about her, Attachment 305677