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ladyjane 09-30-2009 05:23 PM
I have always thought that even a carrier can shed cysts in their feces....just in smaller amounts; and that can be detected in samples. I might be wrong. If I think of it tomorrow, I will call my vet and ask.
Testing is difficult even in a case that is full blown.

HollyandMommy 09-30-2009 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 2822002)
I have always thought that even a carrier can shed cysts in their feces....just in smaller amounts; and that can be detected in samples. I might be wrong. If I think of it tomorrow, I will call my vet and ask.
Testing is difficult even in a case that is full blown.
Please let me know what your vet said. Thanks

ladyjane 10-01-2009 12:39 PM
I have partial information. The tech I spoke with this morning asked one of the vets about this and he said that it all depends on what kind of test the vet is doing.
If they are doing an on the spot test (Elisa), then they are looking for antibodies. So...if a dog had giardia, that test would not be the one to use if it were recent since the dog would understandably have antibodies.
If your vet is doing the test right there and giving you immediate results....that may be the problem. He said they should not do the Elisa for about a year after treatment!
What the tech forgot to ask the vet is whether a dog who is a carrier would also test positive...I am thinking they would; but will let you know when they call me back later on. I was there a couple of hours ago, but it was too busy to find out from the vet.

HollyandMommy 10-01-2009 01:12 PM
:rose:Thanks for the info. I went to another vet the is great! I will have the results tomorrow or Monday but if it comes back pos. she will be getting
Panacur not the same as she was getting. The vet said she looks fine she does not look like a puppy with giardia because most of them look tired because of the weight they loose. So I will let you know when they call me.

Thanks Friend

ladyjane 10-01-2009 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by HollyandMommy (Post 2822957)
:rose:Thanks for the info. I went to another vet the is great! I will have the results tomorrow or Monday but if it comes back pos. she will be getting
Panacur not the same as she was getting. The vet said she looks fine she does not look like a puppy with giardia because most of them look tired because of the weight they loose. So I will let you know when they call me.

Thanks Friend
I seriously doubt she has it! I am glad you went to another vet! Definitely let us know!!!
Linda

HollyandMommy 10-05-2009 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 2822963)
I seriously doubt she has it! I am glad you went to another vet! Definitely let us know!!!
Linda

I'm really frustrated now she came back positive again I dont know what to do I just hope that with this new medication it disappears. I HATE GIARDIA!!!! I will not know if it worked till 3 wks. it's going to drive me nuts.

HollyandMommy 10-06-2009 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 2822963)
I seriously doubt she has it! I am glad you went to another vet! Definitely let us know!!!
Linda

Linda do you have any advise for me on maybe other cleaners to use I am using bleach and lysol. I also wipe her with wipes and give her a bath every 2-3 days is that bad?

Thanks for all your help.

ally173 10-13-2009 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by HollyandMommy (Post 2828680)
Linda do you have any advise for me on maybe other cleaners to use I am using bleach and lysol. I also wipe her with wipes and give her a bath every 2-3 days is that bad?

Thanks for all your help.
you can get the natural cleaners that are safer; you can wipe her with baby wipes; but bathing every 2 or 3 days is not so great; it will dry her out and she can get sick.

JeanieK 10-13-2009 12:55 PM
I have read that cleaning with amonia is better than with bleach.

I'm not sure why you are bathing the puppy so much.

ladyjane 10-13-2009 01:05 PM
This was two weeks ago. I am thinking all is well now.

ally173 10-13-2009 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2837428)
I have read that cleaning with amonia is better than with bleach.

I'm not sure why you are bathing the puppy so much.
no amonia either; you can clean with water and vinegar; or a natural cleaner that is safe

Nancy1999 10-14-2009 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by ally173 (Post 2837466)
no amonia either; you can clean with water and vinegar; or a natural cleaner that is safe
Are you sure vinegar would kill giardia? Chlorine bleach is said to be the most effective, ammonia can be used, but it has to remain on the surface 20 minutes at a rather high concentration. There are also other commercial disinfectants you buy, but they have to say that they are effective for giardia. I have not read anything that says vinegar is effective at killing the giardia parasite, and while I love using it for general cleaning, I don't think I would recommend this unless you are absolutely sure it works. Do you have any links that say it's effective? I mean we can drink straight vinegar, I know it's safe, but I don't think it's a disinfectant.

ally173 10-14-2009 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2838969)
Are you sure vinegar would kill giardia? Chlorine bleach is said to be the most effective, ammonia can be used, but it has to remain on the surface 20 minutes at a rather high concentration. There are also other commercial disinfectants you buy, but they have to say that they are effective for giardia. I have not read anything that says vinegar is effective at killing the giardia parasite, and while I love using it for general cleaning, I don't think I would recommend this unless you are absolutely sure it works. Do you have any links that say it's effective? I mean we can drink straight vinegar, I know it's safe, but I don't think it's a disinfectant.
yes it does; because it's acidic; it breaks down the walls of the giardia; read this Giardia Cyst Contamination in Drinking Water
also you can feed human grade fossil flour or diatomaceous earth to kill parasites internally; read about it Food Grade Diatomaceous Earth Helps Eliminate Worms & Parasites
you can get it from Only Natural Pet All-in-One Flea Remedy | Dog Cat Fleas Control#

Nancy1999 10-14-2009 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by ally173 (Post 2839011)
yes it does; because it's acidic; it breaks down the walls of the giardia; read this Giardia Cyst Contamination in Drinking Water
also you can feed human grade fossil flour or diatomaceous earth to kill parasites internally; read about it Food Grade Diatomaceous Earth Helps Eliminate Worms & Parasites
you can get it from Only Natural Pet All-in-One Flea Remedy | Dog Cat Fleas Control#
Everything is either acidic or alkaline on the pH scale, and that has nothing to do with being a disinfectant. Your first link says, "Vinegar sometimes used as a vegetable wash and may be effective against some microorganisms in water - we have not yet found authoritative data on this application."

Your second and third links talks about DIATOMACEOUS EARTH and fleas and doesn't mention vinegar that I could find.

ally173 10-14-2009 11:49 AM
sorry for the confusion; my second and third link suggests the use of DE as a parasite killer when ingested.
however your first instinct to use bleach is probably the most effective
Giardia
ENVIRONMENTAL DECONTAMINATION
The most readily available effective disinfectant is probably bleach diluted 1:32 in water which required less than one minute of contact to kill Giardia cysts in one study. Organic matter such as dirt or stool is protective to the cyst so on a concrete surface basic cleaning should be effected prior to disinfection. Animals should be thoroughly bathed before being reintroduced into a “clean” area.


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