More Diarrhea-ick!

[hugz4all4]

no advice, just wanted to wish your little one well. Hope you can find the problem soon.

[Ellie May]

Originally Posted by yorkiebaby123

Oh gosh, they tested her for EVERYTHING, im not even sure, when they were salivating, we were doing every test under the sun along with ultra sounds and xrays! But since we were still working with the vet on the eating issue, she was also looking for signs on her organs that could show her any problems for that issue too.

I'd put them back on RC (but i have to check their ingredients too now b/c maybe its the same!) but im literally scared out of my MIND to switch to anything. Whats my safety if it doesnt work? Chicken doesnt seem to do the trick....how long do i try before i know its not working? Is ANY diarrhea normal during a transition? Am i being paranoid??

You are not being paranoid. Dehyrdation caused by diarrhea in a puppy is extremely dangerous.

If you have tried to go back to RC and it didn't work, I'm not sure you should try it again. The ingredients aren't great by the way. This is so hard because a diet that may help is one with whitefish and grain free but these kibbles can be very rich.

[yorkiebaby123]

Originally Posted by Ellie May

If this pup has had issues with drooling and GI problems, you may want to consider a bile acids test. I think I'd feed them in separate rooms 3 or 4 times a day so that the adult can eat something better. Of course that won't work if you have to free feed.

If there is a problem everytime you try to take the pup off of the I/D, she may have to stay on it for life. For the once every couple weeks issue, have you thought about probiotics?

But here's my problem, if i switch my oldest to regular food, i would probably go back to RC since it worked for her. What if RC wont work for my pup when im ready to switch her? I dont want to have to switch my oldest again to whatever finally works for my baby. Maybe i just have to accept that they will be on different food, but i am confident my oldest will tolerate whatever i can find for my baby.

People have suggested probiotics, and I actually called my vet today to talk to her about that, but of course she is on vacation! As you can imagine, I'm a little gun shy doing anything new right now, but i know i have to change her diet.

Thank you so much for all your help and advice, i truly appreciate it! Only YT'ers know how frustrating this is, everyone else just calls my babies "high maintenance!"

[Nikis2]

Have you called the breeder you bought her from and talked this over with her. She might have one that has had this problem and can tell you what finally worked for her. Anything you do need to be done gradually thats for sure. I have really never heard of a medicine that is going to solve the babies problem after only 5 days. I put mine on Albon when they have problems like this for at least 14 days. It sounds like you might be able to wean her back on Royal Canine it is a really good food for yorkies and most of them really like it. It is such a trial and error situation when their little bellies are like that. You might want to talk to a vet that specializes on organic food and nutrition issues. I no of a vet in Salisburg Md named Dr Lewis she is great with these types of problems. She works out of Healing Hands Veterinary Hospital you could try giving her a call or emailing her. She never seems to be too busy when I have a problem I am not sure how to deal with.

[Ellie May]

Originally Posted by yorkiebaby123

But here's my problem, if i switch my oldest to regular food, i would probably go back to RC since it worked for her. What if RC wont work for my pup when im ready to switch her? I dont want to have to switch my oldest again to whatever finally works for my baby. Maybe i just have to accept that they will be on different food, but i am confident my oldest will tolerate whatever i can find for my baby.

People have suggested probiotics, and I actually called my vet today to talk to her about that, but of course she is on vacation! As you can imagine, I'm a little gun shy doing anything new right now, but i know i have to change her diet.

Thank you so much for all your help and advice, i truly appreciate it! Only YT'ers know how frustrating this is, everyone else just calls my babies "high maintenance!"

Ellie has had soft stool since October. It is frustrating but something should work eventually. You can put your adult on anything you want and either switch her later (it should go okay but if it doesn't, don't switch) or just leave her on whatever it is you are about to put her on. Feeding separately shouldn't be a huge deal and it may be better. It is a good way to see how much each is eating. If one is eating less and isn't feeling well, you wouldn't know if they share food.

There are some dogs who only do well on I/D and they have to live on it. I wouldn't give up on finding something else yet but it may come to that. It isn't normal that there is still a problem every couple weeks though and there must be an underlying issue I would think. Did the vet do a TLI with Vit B12 and folate?

[mscat]

Again,and what others have mentioned is to always slowly switch the foods. Switching all the time will cause upset tummies and loose stools. the smaller the puppy is the more dangerous diarreah becomes. Not only is dehydration a concern electrolye embalances, low blood sugar are all very dangerous. I do not know anything about probiotics, however it is a better choice to always discuss any diet changes and concerns with your vet. Especially if there are serious concerns about the health and needs of your dogs.

[yorkiebaby123]

Originally Posted by Ellie May

Ellie has had soft stool since October. It is frustrating but something should work eventually. You can put your adult on anything you want and either switch her later (it should go okay but if it doesn't, don't switch) or just leave her on whatever it is you are about to put her on. Feeding separately shouldn't be a huge deal and it may be better. It is a good way to see how much each is eating. If one is eating less and isn't feeling well, you wouldn't know if they share food.

There are some dogs who only do well on I/D and they have to live on it. I wouldn't give up on finding something else yet but it may come to that. It isn't normal that there is still a problem every couple weeks though and there must be an underlying issue I would think. Did the vet do a TLI with Vit B12 and folate?

Yes the soft stool I've learned to live with, since we have them on the wet food, i figured that was a given, but that actually makes me feel better that your baby has them too. But last night i could see the water in her stools, so that made me panic.

Do you have any suggestions for probiotic or all-natural brands you like or have heard good things? I want to start researching and figure out what I am going to take a gamble on....

My goodness, i have to go back and look at the vets notes, most times when im there, im crying b/c im scared so I'm not comprehending what the names of tests she is doing! But im writing all your notes down and when she gets back from vacation, I'm going to give her all the info I got from this thread!!

[Ellie May]

Originally Posted by yorkiebaby123

Yes the soft stool I've learned to live with, since we have them on the wet food, i figured that was a given, but that actually makes me feel better that your baby has them too. But last night i could see the water in her stools, so that made me panic.

Do you have any suggestions for probiotic or all-natural brands you like or have heard good things? I want to start researching and figure out what I am going to take a gamble on....

My goodness, i have to go back and look at the vets notes, most times when im there, im crying b/c im scared so I'm not comprehending what the names of tests she is doing! But im writing all your notes down and when she gets back from vacation, I'm going to give her all the info I got from this thread!!

Canned or soft food should not cause soft stool.
It is not normal or healthy.
Ellie is on Proviable by Nutramax.
It may not have the best strains in it (that's up for debate) but her vet and I like Nutramax and feel that the potency is more of a sure thing than just going out and getting any old kind. If your vet calls them, they may give you a free sample.

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by yorkiebaby123

Do you have any suggestions for probiotic or all-natural brands you like or have heard good things? I want to start researching and figure out what I am going to take a gamble on....

I love this one and use it for my boys, it also contains digestive enzymes - which might also benefit your baby: Nature's Farmacy - Store - Product Details

Have you tried a novel protein like duck or fish for a kibble? Personally, I'd stay away from RC - both bc it contains fillers and allergens - and bc you stated you tried it again w/out success. RC and ID contains so much corn, that that ingredient could be causing irritation by itself. Has she ever been *off* of corn?

It's a tough call, but you could try a duck and potato food, like Natural Balance. Or perhaps Innova Red Meat Small Bites - which also has few ingredients, but is a nice clean food w/ no corn, chicken or fillers.

[Ellie May]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

I love this one and use it for my boys, it also contains digestive enzymes - which might also benefit your baby: Nature's Farmacy - Store - Product Details

Have you tried a novel protein like duck or fish for a kibble? Personally, I'd stay away from RC - both bc it contains fillers and allergens - and bc you stated you tried it again w/out success. RC and ID contains so much corn, that that ingredient could be causing irritation by itself. Has she ever been *off* of corn?

It's a tough call, but you could try a duck and potato food, like Natural Balance. Or perhaps Innova Red Meat Small Bites - which also has few ingredients, but is a nice clean food w/ no corn, chicken or fillers.

I agree but NB seems LID seem so low in fat for pups. They are also very low protein.

[yorkiebaby123]

Originally Posted by Ellie May

I agree but NB seems LID seem so low in fat for pups. They are also very low protein.

A LOT of people have reccommended Inova actually! Is that OK that it has more than 1 protein? I was also looking up Natural Balance Inc, which is only 1 protein and 1 carb and good for sensitive tummies, i was leaning towards the fish and sweet potatoe....With Natural Balance, i can keep them on the same food, but Inova I would have them on different formulas, which is OK....

[Ellie May]

Originally Posted by yorkiebaby123

A LOT of people have reccommended Inova actually! Is that OK that it has more than 1 protein? I was also looking up Natural Balance Inc, which is only 1 protein and 1 carb and good for sensitive tummies, i was leaning towards the fish and sweet potatoe....With Natural Balance, i can keep them on the same food, but Inova I would have them on different formulas, which is OK....

I'm not sure off hand what the guaranteed analysis of NB LID (limited ingredient diets) is but I remember it being very low in fat and protein. It would not be my first choice for a pup but that doesn't mean it's not okay. I just personally would be uneasy. Feeding more than one protein is fine as long as she hasn't had them before although doing one at a time is better. I'm not sure that is going to fix the problem because this would start to fall under food allergies then and they aren't common in pups. Having a problem with corn would be more understandable than having a problem meat at this age in my opinion. Maybe it is a grain issue?

As for the fish kibbles that are looking promising, there are reports that people are find fish bones sticking out of the kibbles and not ground up. They may be sharp. So you might want to take that into consideration before going with one of those.

[yorkiebaby123]

Originally Posted by Ellie May

I'm not sure off hand what the guaranteed analysis of NB LID (limited ingredient diets) is but I remember it being very low in fat and protein. It would not be my first choice for a pup but that doesn't mean it's not okay. I just personally would be uneasy. Feeding more than one protein is fine as long as she hasn't had them before although doing one at a time is better. I'm not sure that is going to fix the problem because this would start to fall under food allergies then and they aren't common in pups. Having a problem with corn would be more understandable than having a problem meat at this age in my opinion. Maybe it is a grain issue?

As for the fish kibbles that are looking promising, there are reports that people are find fish bones sticking out of the kibbles and not ground up. They may be sharp. So you might want to take that into consideration before going with one of those.

My head is spinning, i feel like it would be great to start her with one protein just so we can rule things out one by one if we need to, but i dont want to skimp her on the fat and protein.

Here are her ID ingredients:

Water, Egg Product, Turkey, Rice, Ground Whole Grain Corn, Pork Liver, Soy Fiber, Dicalcium Phosphate, Potassium Chloride, Iodized Salt, Calcium Carbonate, Choline Chloride, Vitamin E Supplement, Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Taurine, Thiamine Mononitrate, Copper Sulfate, Manganous Oxide, Niacin, Calcium Pantothenate, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Biotin, Riboflavin, Calcium Iodate, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Sodium Selenite, Folic Acid.

Maybe corn IS the culprit....how can they put that in a prescription food if so many dogs have problems with that?!?!

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by Ellie May

Having a problem with corn would be more understandable than having a problem meat at this age in my opinion. Maybe it is a grain issue?

I agree . I would eliminate corn first and foremost, esp. if she has never been off of it.

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by yorkiebaby123

Maybe corn IS the culprit....how can they put that in a prescription food if so many dogs have problems with that?!?!

Hills/SciDi are not known, at all, for being very healthy foods. For one, they actually LIST exthoxyquin and menadione in some of their foods - both of which are toxic - and yet vets still knowingly recommend these foods, and make kickbacks off of selling them.