Demo Mange
 

My yorkie Toby has demo mange. We have tried everything,antibiotics for 30 days,the flea collar,and he was doing good for the last month. Now its back:(I am worried to death!! He has huge sore again and biting his paws. If someone has dealt with this let me know. We are going back to the vet today,would like to tell him something. Thanks Gooosy

When Chachi had it he had to go through a series of dips to get rid of it

Thank you. We have been dealing with this since early summer,vet has not mentioned dips. But I will Thank you!!

It took about 5 of themn to get rid of it. He got them every 10 days

just do not let vet mix ketaconozole and ivermectin as my friends dog almost died from that --- a natural way is to put olive oil on the spot as mites cannot live in oil -- is the spot in a place your dog cannot lick?

also they are finding revolution is working not only for scabies but also demodex and safer than dips or ivermectin

Thanks im writing all this down

Yes He can lick it. His paws are bad again too.

My friends dog had Demodex. They did the anti's and meds and special baths. The Vet was doing skin scraps and it was looking good, so they stopped, but they found out that the mites were gone on her body but still on her feet. So back to the meds, and the Vet makes sure to do the skin scrapes on her feet. I think she goes back next week to get tested. I know you have to stick with it and it does take a while :(

My senior collie had a bought with the demodex mites last January. Collies can't be dipped either so we just had to ride it out. Thankfully, it cleared up on its own. I did switch to a Raw diet and we have had no reoccurrence, knock on wood. You might want to do some research on a raw diet since as you probably are aware, the mites signal a problem with the immune system..... many raw feeders seem to believe that feeding raw benefits the immune system (I do as well as I've seen first hand the benefits with my two!) Good luck with this!

I had a boxer with it and she was on ivermecton for 3 months. I also gave her bath inwater about 3 inches deep with 500ml of peroxide and 4 cups of Borax. I found this on the internet. The peroxide opens the pours and the borax kills the might. I did the every other day for 2 weeks. I swear this is what got rid of it. She was fully cured of it in 3 months. It is an immune comprimised parasite so you also find ways to boost your dogs immune system for it to go away and not come back.

I would try this as just like mosquitos cannot live in oil neither can mites so i would put all four paws in olive oil for say 5-10 minutes if you can and then give a bath afterwards and try that as all the meds are very strong for demodex and the pup gets them from the mama as all dogs have mites but if their immune system is low the mites take over thus causing the prob so boosting the immune system with a good diet will help alot

Demo Mange
 

I am dealing with that very same problem as I type! My precious Little Man (Little Bit's Best Man, age 12 yrs) has been being treated for what was originally diagnosed as 3 bacterial skin infections after a skin scrape: pseudomonas aeruginosa, enterococcus aeruginosa, and staphylococcus intermedius (spellings?) since Thanksgiving. He was never had fleas, but was treated for them!! - Also given Depomedrol, Gentocin, & Azium Injections, 2 Chlorohexadine dips, a 2-wk course of Antirobe capsules, and Nolvasan Salve. This was $300+. Then returned 1 wk later - he was worse! Another Depo inj., more Antirobe Capsules, and Epi-Sooth Oatmeal shampoo and more salve = $100. I bathed him 2xs daily with Chlorhexidine solution, debrided his skin as instructed for 3 days after each bath. Now Christmas week and he is worse and feverish all the time. He is covered head to toe with red, sticky, smelly, fevered skin and had to be shaved. He became severly dehydrated and lethargic. I had to force feed him fluids with a syringe and hand feed him. Vet did another deeper skin scrape and diagnosed RED MANGE! I had been telling him for weeks that I thought it smelled like mange, but he ignored me! Now, he has received Chlorahexidine and Mitaban Dip and changed from Chloromycetin tablets back to Antirobe. I have literally been holding this precious pooch for 3 days now - 24/7 just to be sure he is breathing!! The vet assured me he gave him the lowest possible dosage in the Mitaban Dip for his 4 lbs., but he is still wobbly, dis-interested in us, food, surroundings, etc. This is slowly improving some. Have to bring him back after Christmas for re-check, then another dip the next week, and every 2 wks after till 2 scrapings come back with dead mites. ($400-700 more??)
I would change vets, but that would be another $400+ to start the cultures all over again - not to mention the additional stress to Little Man - and stress makes this condition worse!
I believe this all occured because we lost his mom (Little Bit of N-No-Cents) in Jan. to heart disease, then his Grandmom (Sweet N-No-Cents)in mid-Nov. from old age. Plus in Sept. he was boarded at this vet for 8 days during Labor Day when we went out of town to return to 2 hurricanes, 8 days of power outage parish-wide, and thunderstorms daily. Little Man was only 30' from 2 massive pecan trees that fell while at the vets and I am sure that scared the poop out of him. The trees blocked the vets entrance road, phones were down, no electricity - so he was there without us for 8 days! Plus, he had his teeth cleaned while there and they were HORRIBLE! Probably released lots of bacteria into his system.
I have searched the internet thoroughly and do find that the treatment he is finally getting now IS THE CORRECT ONE - but, why did it take my vet so long to get to this stage?? I think a simple deep skin scrape a month ago would have made the correct diagnosis and my precious Little Man would not be so ill now. I am terrified of losing him.
Sorry this is so long and detailed - I don't know how to state it differently!
He is peacefully asleep in my lap as I type. He has been hand fed, hand watered, lightly sprayed with Tea Tree Oil (my idea) and lovingly wrapped burito style in a warm towel! - What a life! :love: I pray your little friend is doing well by now. Any comments welcomed!:bighug:

wow
 

I feel your pain, my little man only 6yrs, has this as well. It's been a few weeks, is your baby ok? Constant attention and nursing seems to always help when mine gets stressed. I need to get the mitoban baths again.

I can't believe your vet didn't recommend dips right away knowing it was demodectic mange. our yorkie scratched all of her fur off due to being misdiagnosed and within two weeks after the first dip she was growing hair back. I believe the dip was mitaban.. but not sure on that.. Make the vet show you the skin sample under the microscope. If he/she finds little cigar shaped creatures make them show them to you. If they don't find them within a few scrapes than it isn't demodectic mange. again i state MAKE them show you so that you know you are treating the right problem.
maybe the dip was called ivermectin or mitaban.... She was also on a liquid called ivachol which really helped with her skin infection ETC.. I encourage you to look at my thread below and definatly my last post with pictures of how well kate is doing now. I wish you the best and trust me we know how you feel. no matter what anyone tells you get that dog dipped. Then get her dipped again in two weeks and two weeks after that and two weeks after that. I would do it 3 time more than you think is necessary.

here is the thread about my dog
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sic...in-issues.html

The dips i was refering to is definatly called mitaban. should cost you like 100 the first time and then only 30 bucks or so every other time. (our vet did not charge us for looking at the dog on each additional visit, just for the dip.)

Again I want to insist you DEMAND to look through the microscope to see the mange. Look at it this way.. you will end up with a couple hundred dollers in treatments. You would not make any other purchase of that amount without knowing what you are getting (sight unseen so to speak). It is very easy to see the mange and showed up on every scrape that we did on our dog. go to google images and type in red mange and you will not be able to mistake it.

Oh don't get me wrong, my vet did recomend the mitoban baths...but he also mentioned that even though it goes away - it can and probably will come back. This started about 2 yrs ago, and i did my research then. The baths worked wonders, and we've already had two rounds of them. My Skeeter has always been my sickly baby, and every time he sneezes, I pay out the woohoo. He is starting to smell funky again despite the weekly bathing.
The cost doesn't bother me....my Skeeter managed to fracture his back, and tho my vet said I needed to put him down, I refused and paid the enormous cost for the back surgery,... and he is still here walking and being the best a yorkie can be! Oh, what we do for our babies!
...ooh, by the way, demodectic mange is transfered to the newborn - when they haven't built up immunity - during nursing..from the mother, so if that's what ur baby has, pls don't breed her and pass this on.
Poor Skeeter, I don't think anyone else would find him as cute as i do - with his bald head and all, i will try to post pics soon.:rolleyes:

thera neem shampoo
 

i have read they have this thera neem shampoo used for skin issues as mange... not sure of its effectivness ! But maybe someone else has tried it.

Red Mange, $1000+ and still treating with dips!!
 

Dave - I read all your blog - and many others - Thank You for your concern and comments.
Took Little Man for his 2nd Mitaban dip and new Rx for Septra. Seems his body is healing, but the mange has started again all over his head and ears, now! Horrible cheesy smell!!
I also saw on one post something about vaccine allergies and a vascular problem - the pics on that post looked just like Little Man's ears - but my vet - again - seems unconcerned!!
Financially we cannot afford to consult with another vet and start this 'screening' process all over again! I don't know what to do.
His hair IS beginning to grow back - but the long hair that I DID leave on his face, ears, and spine are grossly covered with a cheesy-waxy yuck that smells so bad!! Smells like you stuck your head in a jar of PIZZA CHEESE that has been left out in the heat! :exclaim:I will probably shave and clip the remaining hair tomorrow so as the stuff crusts over I can comb it out more easily and thoroughly. Saw some posts that say this is yeast - hmmmm....maybe I can sprinkle him with Zeeasorb-AF powder???

Bad part is that IF this is Red Mange, and it IS caused by stress - well, I may as well put Little Man down as we are planning a 10-day trip to Disney in Fl. at Easter for our entire family (21 ppl) and he will have to be boarded. I can't bear the thought of him having to go thru this again! He is so precious - and we have already lost 2 other yorkies from old age in 2008. - I will have to do everything I can think of to build his immune system or this will start all over again.
I am lost, broke, heartbroken, stressed out - good thing I can't get Red Mange! :eek:

Please do not put him down - give to a rescue as a last resort. If yeast issues then feed natural balance duck and potato or fish and sweet potato and stay away from grains in diet. You should use a probiotics as well to put good bacteria back in the system. Diet has alot to do with some mange

i am reading alot on this as well as my friends dog almost died on this - a girl told me to feed solid gold wee bits or bark at the moon by solid gold. She said she washed her dog with johnson and johnson baby shampoo weekly and due to the diet mostly the demodex is gone. Demodex is due to the immune system so you have to build the immune system to fight off the over production of mites. Every one and every dog has mites but it is when your immune system is so low that the mites take over thus causing demodex - diet is the most important thing or it will come back in most cases even after dips etc.

***Bad part is that IF this is Red Mange, and it IS caused by stress - well, I may as well put Little Man down as we are planning a 10-day trip to Disney in Fl. at Easter ***
IN MY OPINION...
SUCH A DECISION TO PUT U R BEST FRIEND DOWN ...WILL HAUNT U FOR MANY YEARS TO COME..
REMEMBER WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND...
I THINK THE DOG NEEDS LESS MEDS AND REAL NUTRIENT FOODS ..MOST OF THE MEDS AND VACCINES ARE CAUSING DOGS MANY ILLNESSES ...
AND FLORIDA IS PET FRIENDLY ..TAKE HIM WITH ..WOULD U LEAVE UR KIDS AT HOME ?

GOSH !!!!!!!!!!

It took 5 dips for chachi to get rid of his mange. There is no reason to put a dog down for mange

I really would NOT put him down b/c of Red Mange!
 

Gee, I must have really been in a bad 'funk' when I typed that I would 'put him down' regarding Red Mange and stress. Actually, I had been up most of the night just being sure he was going to make it, then having to be up all day with my 2 2-yr old grand-daughters that I keep from 4 a.m. to 6:30 p.m. - for a 61 yr old - that is hard to do! :confuse8:
And YES that would haunt me forever!! I could never do that - It is just so hard to see him in such a 'stupor' from the Mitaban dip - shaking, too weak to stand, fever chills, etc. He used to be such a lively little stud. But he is getting much better! BUT EVEN ON THE SEPTRA HE STILL HAS FEVER!! - IS THAT NORMAL??? IT HAS BEEN SINCE NOVEMBER- ANTIROBE, THEN CHLOROMYCETIN, THEN ANTIROBE AGAIN, NOW SEPTRA?? WHEN WILL THE FEVERS STOP??? That is why I am so concerned - I am so fearful of SEPTICEMIA :2omg:
And the Zeeasorb-AF that I put on his head and neck seems to have controlled the yeast!! Should I tell the vet about this??? Vet said nothing to me about probiotics, the yeast, etc - I am SO having my doubts about this man. - Is he 'bleeding' me out for more $$ by treating just one thing at a time?? I mean, this is my baby - AND I WANT HIM WELL NOW!!! I understand that the Red Mange will take time, but I cannot help but feel all these other health issues - yeast skin infection, use of probiotics, immune boosters - Vet has not said one thing to me about those issues!! Only way I have learned anything is thru internet and YT!!! Or am I wanting to 'bombard' Little Man's system TOO MUCH by addressing all these issues at the same time??
I don't know - I am just a Mom with a sick furbaby and I want him well!!!
Thank all of you for any and all comments!!
And, Happy Birthday to me (61) and my oldest son (37) today (01/10/09):bigbdaypa

:bigbdaypa


HERE ARE JUST A FEW IDEAS ON THE MANGE FOR UR LITTLE ONE !

The whole problem with Demodex is the dog has a poor immune system. All dogs carry the mites, but dogs with a good immune system keep them to a minimum and under control. When a dogs immune system suffers, the mites can take over and become a problem. Dips and chemicals may work to kill the mites BUT the also kill the immune system (the actual problem!) even more! So they will make "what you see" go away, the symptoms, but only make the REAL problem worse.
natural raw diet OR high QUALITY FOOD, vit C and other immune boosting herbs, and it easily cleared up on her own! I would not use the dips/chemicals for this. I also would not give any chemicals on the dog - meaning no frontline or other flea preventative like that, no vaccinations, etc...

Demodectic Mange-A Natural Treatment


THE THING IS THE VETS DO NOT MAKE MONEY ON THE OLD REMEDIES THAT WORKED ...with all the chemicals it is only the symptoms being tended too not the cause...

hope this helps..and again !

:bigbdaypa

Red Mange and Rabies Vaccination - ??
 

Thanks for your further reply and advice. Upon reading it I realized that, in addition to being boarded for 8 days in Sept. 08 during a hurricane, power outage, falling trees, no a/c PLUS being away from us, then having one of his companion dogs (his grandma) put down 11/08 - he was also given a rabies vaccination while being boarded - !!! I don't usually vaccinate my pets because they are never outside except to bathroom, and they are rarely exposed to other animals - and all of my pets have lived well into old age - i.e. - cats - 20-23 yrs old; dogs - 14-16 yrs old. And I truly believe it is because they have NOT been vaccinated/innoculated!! - Why do I believe this??? -
Well, my baby boy - now 24 yrs old - was a high-risk SIDS baby - and suffered from apnea. Thru his care and my extensive research I became the state contact for SIDS and Apnea Monitoring in Louisiana from 1985-1990. Some of the research papers sited childhood immunizations as being the suspected cause of many childhood illnesses/weaknesses and sometimes even death. - i.e. - DPT- a Shot in the Dark - Many British mums, and even some researchers, theorized that Pertussis vaccine was the 'trigger' for SIDS - and even my pediatrician refused to give my son the full-dosage DPT - hmmmmm??? Might I add, that my son is now 6'3" tall and VERY healthy and SO GOOD LOOKING!! :smile: Oh, we were talking about 4 legged sons - :yelrotflmsilly me!! ahhemmm

Well to continue on that note - I know I will be opening myself up to severe scolding from some furbaby owners on this 'not vaccinating' issue - but that is my opinion, and it has served well for my pets.

Anyway - I love all the concern and love that is shared on this site - friendly and not-so-friendly - It is all given and taken in love for these wonderful Angels God shares with us. Keep it coming!!:ghug:

we had good luck with a medicine called ivachol that cured her skin infections/slimy yeast. He skin was black/red with infection and within 2 weeks all the red was gone. She had staph infection/bacterial infection and an ear infection all at the same time and all symptoms of it was GONE after her first dip and 2 weeks with the ivachol and ear drops. She still had the dead black skin from the mange but everything else had subsided.

I don't think i will vaccinate another yorkie. All of kate's problems centered where she got her rabies vaccine and showed up within a month of her vaccine.

Oh no! my vet prescribed Ketaconazole and Ivermectin. :( what should I do? The ketaconozole is meant to be placed on the nose and muzzle. She could definitely lick it! I don't know what to do :((

DO NOT MIX THOSE TWO DRUGS AT ALL -- what happens is the ketoconozole breaks the blood barrier wall thus allowing the ivermectin to go straight to the brain. It almost killed my friends yorkie. She was acting in a drunken stupor to begin with - you can google it --http://www.dermcare.com.au/pdf/2007_Spring_Newsletter.pdf

P-Glycoprotein issues: It doesn’t stop there:
P-glycoprotein deficiencies are not just genetic, they can also
be acquired. Ketoconazole is well recognised as a potent
inhibitor of P-glycoprotein. (8) In fact, ketoconazole will make
any breed of dog have a Collie-like potential for ivermectin
neurotoxicity. Ketoconazole is effectively the medical
equivalent of an MDR1 deletion, P-glycoprotein
deficiency. A recent study examining the effects of
ketoconazole on plasma levels of ivermectin found that coadministered
ketoconazole induced higher plasma
concentrations and longer clearance times of ivermectin. (8) It
has also been demonstrated that the incidence of adverse
effects of ketoconazole in dogs is higher in dogs on
concurrent cyclosporine, also a known P-glycoprotein
inhibitor. (9)
If we now reconsider the initial scenario with our
whippet cross patient, drugs that could be
considered for the treatment of its various ailments
include: ivermectin (for demodicosis) cyclosporine
for atopy (Cushingoid, therefore steroids are out)
and ketoconazole for Malassezia dermatitis. It is
not hard to see how easily an adverse reaction could
occur if we were not aware of all of the potential
risks of using multiple drug therapies.
The potential for life threatening interactions in
individuals with the MDR1 gene deletion or those
taking P-glycoprotein-reversal agents (inhibitors) is
enormous and something that needs to be carefully
considered when prescribing drug

Ivermectin

PLEASE DO NOT USE THOSE TWO DRUGS TOGETHER EVER - the dermatologist my friend went to did this and admitted she never should have mixed those drugs and she was sorry --sophie went into a drunken stupor, then seizures then coma, then got pneumonia :(

the new dermatologist is now using an antibiotic simplicef and 1/4 tablet of interceptor daily as it has a small dose of a drug like ivermectin. It is expensive but has been working on sophie so you may want to ask about that for demodex. Sophie is 6lbs

Red Mange is back again PLUS ear infections!! HELP!!
 

Well, vet did not dip Little Man 2 wks ago - said he LOOKED cleared - well NOW I know that is NOT what he should have done!!! LOOKS CAN BE DECEIVING!!! He should have done a skin scrape! He has a spot on his mouth now, and his ears are so bad that vet said he will have to put him to sleep to 'clean it up!'
Am I being led to the 'bank vault' again???
My poor Little Man is almost completely hairless - and most of it looks as though it is NOT growing back!!!
I have read posts about using BENZOYL PEROXIDE (basically Clearasil) and then using the Chlorahexadine shampoo or dip - ANY COMMENTS on this???
And something for the YEAST SKIN INFECTIONS!!! He has been on antibiotics so much - surely that is contributing to the yeast!!! I have been feeding him YoBaby yogurt and skin supplement tabs and food.
Also read something about dipping in vinegar solution to kill the yeast - ???? If this is good info, then what is the solution ratio of water to vinegar - (cider vinegar???)
In other words - HELP!!!! :confused: