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I would ask that unless you have MEDICAL ADVICE for this poster, that you please refrain from posting in this thread. Thank you. This is the SICK and EMERGENCY FORUM and this poster is trying to receive help. Let's just try to provide it in a factual manner and leave the rest. |
I read some of this thread wow crazy. To The OP I hope and pray your little dog gets better, please check with your vet on the meds and on the amount for your dog. I hope you do not breed these dogs, if they came from a Mill, why not just love them and for get the breeding. Love is all they need. And please change their food.... like I stated in this thread at the beginning that food made my dogs very sick where they was both pucking and pooping blood. I only used this food for a few days because they had all the food recalls and It all I could get in my town. now im sorry I ever did, that food made my babies sick. |
Okay.... while I'm waiting for you to get me the product info, if you have it.... I need to say that, one.... only in very rare cases will you ever find a PARASITE that causes blood in the urine - - - And two, Ivomec won't resolve this even if indeed your dog DOES have a parasite of the urinary tract. Blood in the urine is called Hematuria.... and CAN BE a symptom of a very serious condition. Below is a link to some information on Hematuria. Hematuria in Dogs Blood in the stool is called Hematochezia - - and can be due to a very mild - to very severe condition caused by a variety of instances. Below is a link to information re: Hematochezia. Hematochezia (Blood in Stool) in Dogs Now.... Ivomec is mainly used in dogs for heartworm prevention. It is also commonly used to rid dogs of mange mites, both sarcoptic and demodectic. While Ivomec actually has the POTENTIAL to rid dogs of a variety of both internal and external parasites... the dosage requirements for such is extremely higher than for the more common uses stated above. (and even THEN.... 2 1/2 cc's is NOT a realistic dosage for a 10lb dog) In other words, if you are not treating for heartworm prevention or against mange mites... there's really no point in subjecting your dogs(s) to high dosages of Ivomec. Below is a excerpt from a posting re: parasite control by a Dr. Jerry Vanek to consider.... it's a good thing to keep on hand. For your dog.... if you ABSOLUTELY CANNOT get him in to a vet..... I would suggest that you get your hands on some Drontal Plus - - and start there. While I don't have the actual Drontal Plus product, I do have the active ingredients used in the Drontal Plus - but in separate products. If you are not able to get the Drontal Plus on your own, I would be happy to overnight to you the products - and in the correct dosages - that you may use to treat your dogs. As for the blood in the urine....... again, please understand that this REALLY is for a licensed vet to determine and treat... and if IN ANY WAY possible, you can get this guy to the vet any sooner than next week... PLEASE DO SO..... but in the mean time, I do have some antibiotics that I can offer you to get you by. In addition, if you have not already changed the diet that your dogs are on... I would do that immediately.... even if it means taking them off of their current food and giving them boiled chicken and rice until you can make a decision as to what kibble you will begin feeding them. Let me know if I can be of assistance to you........... good luck with your babies and take care.... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Droncit (praziquantel) kills tapeworms. Drontal (praziquantel and pyrantel) kills tapeworms, ascarids ("round" worms), and hook worms. Drontal Plus (praziquantel, pyrantel, and fenbendazole) kills tapeworms, ascarids ("round" worms), hook worms, and whip worms. It's all marketing strategies. More basics: If you give only a benzimidazole (fenbendazole, febantel, etc.), like Panacur, it will kill whip worms in one day, but hook worms and ascarids take three days of treatments. So, if you treat with Panacur, you have to give it three days in a row, unless you are absolutely, positively positive that you're only treating whip worms. Pyrantel, like Strongid and Nemex, kills only hooks and ascarids in one day, so you only have to give it once. It does not kill whips. So, by combining pyrantel (in Drontal) with fenbendazole (in Drontal Plus) you only have to treat once, not three days in a row, because the pyrantel kills the hooks and rounds in one day and the fenbendazole kills the whips in one day. (The praziquantel kills the tapes in one day in all three products, regardless.) Now things get confusing, but fascinating: Drontal Plus is a great marketing tool designed to keep the dewormer competitive by being "broad spectrum." Drontal (praziquantal and pyrantel) was the upgrade of simple Droncit (praziquantel only) years ago to compete with Vercom Paste, which was the first major "broad-spoectrum" anthelmintic. Vercom contained praziquantal (tapes) and febantel (ascarids, hooks, and whips). Febantel gets turned into fenbendazole and oxfendazole by the liver. The problem with Vercom Paste was that you still had to give it three days in a row, like Panacur, to kill the ascarids and rounds. But, it got ALL the tapes, not just the mammallian tapes (Taenia) that Panacur got. (Panacur doesn't kill flea tapeworms). Vercom was broader spectrum than either Droncit or Panacur, but it still had to be given three days in a row (and it tasted just awful -- cats would get mad when treated, especially by day three!!) So Droncit, by adding pyrantel, could be marketed as a one-day dewormer that killed all types of tapes, plus ascarids and rounds. Unfortunately, it didn't kill whips. Panacur and Vercom did (but had to be given over three days). The world was not yet perfect. So Drontal added in fenbendazole initially (instead of febantel, I suppose because of patent laws held by Vercom?). It was called Drontal Plus. Ingenious marketing. Now you could give one pill just one day for tapes, ascarids, rounds, and whips! They nailed the broad spectrum market and blasted the three-day-in-a-row Vercom Paste and Panacur. Things get even murkier (God bless American free enterprise): Febantel must not be protected any longer because now Drontal Plus uses it instead of fenbendazole. In addition, pyrantel tartrate is absorbed by the intestines faster than pyrantel pamoate, so many products that used to include the p-pamoate now use p-tartrate. It gets better: Even newer is pyrantel emboate, which apparently requires half the dose of the pamoate. AND, Oxantel pamoate got invented, to kill human whip worms, even though its close cousins pyrantel pamoate and p-tartrate don't. Now oxantel is used for canine whips, as well. These advances have allowed other companies to capitalize on the "broad spectrum" market. Now you can find an "allwormer" with praziquantel, pyrantel emboate, febantel, and/or oxantel, all mixed up in some combination and licensed for tapes, ascarids, hooks, and whips, and all in a one-day treatment. I suspect Drontal Plus still uses the pyrantel emboate AND good old febantel because it works as well or better than oxantel, OR because they can't get the license because of patent infringment. That may change when the patent expires. Therefore, I would use either the Drontal Plus, with febantel, or the Allwormer, with the oxantel at this time because I can't find the actual published studies reporting the laboratory effectiveness of febantel against oxantel for whips. Otherwise, the products are the same, in that praziquantel is praziquantel and pyrantel is pyrantel, even though the latter can be absorbed at different rates depending on which analog is used (pamoate, tartrate, emboate). So, read the label. Oh yes, it gets even better!! Now there's Drontal for Puppies! This product doesn't include praziquantel because of the life cycle of tapeworms -- young puppies can't develop them to adulthood that fast. Drontal for puppies is actually Drontal Plus without the praziquantel (Drontal Minus?? - naw, bad marketing). It contains only febantel and pyrantel embonate for ascarids, hooks, and whips. With Drontal for Puppies, then, you can treat the same way as if you were using Strongid, except you also are killing whips. However, whips are not a problem in very young puppies. Strongid is good enough. Broad-spectrum marketing doesn't end here. Heartguard Plus, Interceptor, Sentinel, and Revolution, all employ some facet of the "kill 'em all" anthelmintic strategy now. Ah, commerce and industry! One spends the first half of one's veterinary career trying to figure out how a product works and the last half trying to figure out why products get invented in the first place. Oh yes, money. Print this out, study it, memorize it, then impress the hell out of your local veterinarian!! And remember, we don't give worms to dogs, we de-worm them, which alone is reason enough why I never prescribe "Allwormer." Drives me absolutely nuts!! Finally, if you know what specific parasite is affecting your dogs, you don't need to spend the money on a broad spectrum dewormer when a specific anthelmintic will suffice. Why attack something that isn't there? After all, worms aren't weapons of mass destruction. Good luck and wait a couple of years. This will all change again. |
I do believe that if my Vet told me to listen to the breeder about medicating my sick baby...I would be on the phone looking for another Vet!!! That is just crazy!!! |
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Hi, I do believe you want to help your dogs recover from illness. And that is why you came here , looking for support and answers. With that said, trying to fix a serious medical problem without the propper vet care could lead to devastating results. I know your thing that the medication someone reccomended will make them better, however it has been pointed out in here that you may lose them. Treating for heartworm is extremely hard on a dog's body. Often, when a dog is very ill it is not strong enough for the treatment. AND, there is a high probabilty that is not what is ailing your dogs. I don't know if you are the one that is going to administer the medication or not, and your dogs do not pull through, how is that going to make you feel after all the information that you have recieved? I am seriously questioning what your motivations are when you decided to take responsibilty for these precious dogs. Was it only to breed them? ANd make try to make a profit? I believe that dogs are a precious gift given to us. The Yorkie Breed are an incredible, amazing beautiful breed . they are ment to be loved and given the best care that is humanly possible. my heart breaks knowing they are not in a home, with a loving family that will do everything and anything for them. That is the ideal environment for a Yorkie. They are a fragile breed, and without the propper care and attention they will suffer. |
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Is there anyone in the SPRINGFIELD area? I am assuming the state of MO :confused: that can meet up with this young girl and verify the situation ! If the situation can be verified I bet we can help with a solution to get this dog the help it needs. |
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Let me clarify .. I do not encourage the 15 year old to meet anyone. I guess being SPECIFIC would be the key here.;) Maybe she and her parents can meet a YT person at the vets office. I am asking if there is anyone in the SPRINGFIELD AREA that will come forth here on YT maybe they can start the communication here.. GET DETAILS and meet her "and her parents" at the VETS OFFICE. Another option would be find the exact vets office she is talking about in SPRINGFIELD and the YT person can go be a POSITIVE VOICE FOR THIS POOR DOG! There are so many options if there is someone that lives close by |
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