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We Went to the Vet... And I had them run every test imaginable... they checked for heartworm,liver,kidney etc.. and everything came back negative and ok EXCEPT the KIDNEY LEVELS... he has a 52...:eek: well they said it could be that he isnt drinking enough water, so they gave me a prescription for amoxicillin 250 mg/5ml 2x a day until all gone... I am soooo worried that his kindeys are failing .. anyone have a furbutt with kidney problems? |
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what exactly was high? His BUN? |
yea it was 52... |
The reference range is about 7-27. So that is quite high. It can happen if the dog has eaten a high protein meal or is dehydrated. If neither are the case then there is a problem unless this high level is "normal" for that particular dog. You took your dog in because of pain, right? In that case, with a high BUN I would think they should have done a urinalysis. Then if something still isn't right they would go to an ultrasound. |
well they tried to get a urine sample but he wouldnt pee in the cup ... so.. they did the bloodwork . They had to give him a mild sedative to allow the vet to get a blood sample. Last night he had some boiled chicken, I don't, I gave him some Karo Syrup since I was out of nutrical and 2 bites of pumpkin in a can..... I bought some pedialyte rice water so I will give him some of that today... I didnt see him drink any type of water yesterday so I don't know how well he has been drinking since I am at work.... |
Will he eat Steamed Veggies and Fruit? As they have LOTS of water in them. Also the pedialyte is good, can you syringe it into his mouth? |
that is what I am going to try to do.. syringe it into his mouth... what type of fruit is good for him? I have baby carrots currently and bananas at home |
How old is your baby? Why did you bring him in? Acting weird? Vomitting? Etc? What kind of food do you feed him? 52 is "high" ... if you've read Mogli's story, I'll warn that it ends poorly. His BUN was over 130. Even at 110 he had good spirits. Right now you need good news and HOPE. We were told throughout the whole ordeal that they can live normal lives. You can feed them K/D prescription food, give sub-Q fluids to supplement intake, phosphorous binders. The important thing is to recheck the blood frequently (48 hours) and make sure the BUN isn't going UP more. Run test for lepto, urinalysis for bacteria, etc. Another thing ... 7-27 is a guideline. Some dogs can have a BUN of 160 and feel fine. Some feel very sick at 50. Every animal reacts different, so if your baby is FINE and normal at 57, that is OK. Please post more info soon! |
Green Beans - you can even get them frozen and just warm up in the micro with a little water in the bowl. Green beans seem to have lots of water. Also, romane lettuce - the stalks Apples (not the skin) - mine love the golden delicious and fugi or gala Watermelon is good too. |
Cindy, Not sure what to tell you but I am keeping my fingers crossed that it was an anomaly and that baby gets better. Sending prayers your way. Beth |
I see the other thread now ... http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=110814 |
I am really confused.:confused: Dehydration does not equal yelping when getting up. I wouldn't be satisfied with that answer. He may be dehydrated by I would think (I am no expert) that even if fluids make him feel better something is not right. That could be kidney pain. Why didn't they just take a sample from him (catheter)? Could you get a sample from him and take it in? I've never met your dog so I don't know how he is at the vet's office. Ellie is a wiggle worm and doesn't sit still for a minute. They take blood from her all the time with no sedative at all and they do it from her neck. They just hold her... |
well I will try to get a sample from him myself and have them take it and test it... Gizmo is 2yrs and 6months old.. and weighs 4.1 lbs.... what do you think the amoxicilian is for ? could the boiled chicken have made his BUN go that high? Or the pumkin from the can? |
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Amoxicilian is an anti botic. |
I think we're confusing urine and blood samples (or at least I am) ... You will need both to help paint a complete picture. There are certain things they look for in the urine. The amoxicillin is given to treat bacterial infection. They do this as a precaution, if it works ... problem solved ... if not, they can rule out a cause and continue testing. Has he been vomitting? What kind of food do you feed him? Does he seem naseaus or less active? |
One meal should not affect the values that dramatically. What did the vet say? Did they suggest any type of action plan (IE Re-test)? Do you have a follow up appointment? |
no vomitting, he eats Avoderm for adult dogs , he seems depressed |
I have no idea what it could be but please make them do a urinalysis. |
Are you at work or somewhere you can't really type a lot or something? We need a LOT MORE INFO!!! I'm going crazy here. Post everything. I'm especially interested in what the vet said. XRAY!? Ultrasound!? It could be a kidney stone or something blocking the bloodflow to kidneys ... they need to rule these things out ... What was the crea & phospho levels? How is the red blood cell count? Our goal was to get the BUN, Crea, Phos levels down as low as we could with HIGH IV fluids (500,900,1200ml per day in the Hospital). Then they come home and you feed low protein, low phosphorous food, add water to just about everything, give sub-q fluids if needed ... monitor the bloodwork. Monitoring takes place every 48 hours until levels hold steady or go down. Then you double, so 4 days, 8, 16 and so on. Like I said ... from the length of your responses, I can't tell what's going on. I just recently went through this and am still a little sensitive to it and am trying not to go overboard. |
Something that Mogli said is making me think... Did they rule out lepto? It can cause muscle and kidney pain, depression, high BUN, loss of appetite and dehydration. It is usually the last thing suspected but it needs to be ruled out. |
I hope and pray the vet can find the problem. :hands: Poor Gizmo...I hope you feel better very soon. :getwell: |
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Please don't blame yourself. You didn't do anything wrong. Now the vet could be right. BUN can be up from dehydration. My question is why is he dehydrated to begin with and does dehydration cause pain? The answer to question two is probably no. Even if he isn't in pain now that is the original reason you took him in, so they need to find out why. If he yelped once it may not have been a big deal. Yelping twice is. Lepto is treated with antibiotics (I think), so maybe that would cover it? I think the best thing you can do is try to relax and get a urine sample to the vet as soon as possible to make sure it is okay. Mention lepto to the vet and see if they are ruling/have ruled it out. Then if you are satisfied with the urinalysis results and the vet's answer on lepto then finish the meds the vet gave and reevaluate. Make sense? |
I think baytril is used to treat lepto. Lepto is somewhat rare, but not unheard of. Have his blood checked again soon to see where the levels are. |
I agree that Lepto is rare, BUT, here in NY there are quite a few cases, so my Vet DOES give the shot, even though I have asked not too. So don't rule that out is all I am saying. |
I am going to try and get a urine sample today after work/ class and drop it off at the vets.... now....do I refrigerate the urine sample or not? Will it be ok til tomorrow morning? |
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Does he use pee pads? If so, turn them upside so he pees on the plastic then drain the pee into a tupperware container ;) |
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I got my sample first thing in the morning b/c Roxy had to pee real bad. How about, one of those throw away tin cooking trays. Can you maybe somehow get him to pee in one of those, outside? |
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