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Nazir's 05-01-2006 07:52 PM

I wouldn't purchase from a broker and I dont know of any that I would consider reputable. No reputable breder would place ANY of their pups with a broker and that's more than just my opinion, it's a fact!

Breeze 05-01-2006 08:16 PM

Sorry take off a yes, I read the thread title and voted yes but the not to the actual question on the poll my vote should of been no.

Lorraine 05-01-2006 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Kathryn_V
In most cases I thing the whole Puppy broker thing is a scary idea.... but since I am about to become on.... I have to say that I voted option #3.

I will be selling a Pup for my grand mother in the next week, and then once her next litter is ready, I will advertise and sell them for her too.... That kinda makes me a Puppy Broker. Buyers wont get to meet her (the litter owner), they won't get to meet the Stud, unless they want to drive to another location to meet him... They will be comming to my home and meeting me. I will show them the puppies, and I will be interviewing them.

Am I bad? I don't think so? will I profit from doing this for her? You bet I will! I am doing Three months of Puppies! Thats cleaning feeding and all of the up keep... I don't even need to tell some of you what a litter of 5 puppies pooping at 8 to 10 weeks is like! Heck yes I will profit! I'm not doing it out of the kindness of my heart! (boy that sounded really bad!) But I am not making a killing... I am just paying myself for my time.... The price of the puppies will not go up... but the amount she will get for them will go down.... And she thinks that is only fair!

So I'm kinda a Broker cause they aren't mine, but not really cause I am raising them??? But for the one I am selling next week... I am so a Broker!

So I think that sometimes a "Puppy Broker" If thats what you would call me.... Can be a good person... But its the exception and not the rule!

I have no idea how you plan on interviewing and approving homes, what kind of guarantees you can give via your grandmother the actual breeder, whether or not registrations will be provided etc.
But if someone told me they heard of you and asked if they should buy from you my answer would be only if they could still meet your grandmother, see her other yorkies including the mother to the puppies, get the health guarantee in writing from her that both she and the buyer can review, sign and agree. If purebred will I get registration papers and who do I go after if anything goes wrong, you or your grandmother and will I have the legal foot to stand on to pursue either of you if something goes wrong?
All puppies are usually cute it is the adults from this breeder I am most interested in seeing as that is what this puppy will likely grow up to look like. Otherwise I would not buy from you if I were a potential puppy buyer nor would I recommend anyone else to buy under these circumstances.
Very seldom when I am selling a puppy do I own the Stud. Often I can show a picture that has been featured in the YOrkshire Terrier Magazine or refer to the breeder who owns the stud and who has been around and well known showing her dogs 20+ years.
I am sure you are wanting to help your grandmother and make a few bucks yourself but these are live animals you are dealing with not stereo equipment which actually does have at least a one year guarantee sometimes two sometimes three years if you purchase extended warrantees.

yorkieK9trainer 05-01-2006 10:34 PM

Kathryn
 
Yes, you are by defenition a "broker".
Is that a bad thing? Well, it depends on who is looking.

Nazir's 05-02-2006 09:12 AM

Personally, if a person is breeding dogs but will later need assistance placing the puppies than they should NOT be breeding. It is that breeders responsibility to see to it that her dogs are placed in approved homes. I would not ever allow for my dogs to be placed by someone else, as when placing dogs myself I double check my own judgement. I surely know that I'd not be able to trust the judgement of someone elses.

This is not a practice that's being done by reputable breeders. In fact, this is against most breed clubs by-laws. Which mean to me, a broker and/or unethical breeder ARE the cause of most problems and should not be aided and/or supported by any means. That's just my opinion and outlook on things.

You can ask any puppy miller, broker, byb, or doggy auction person or bidder, pet shop owner, etc. and none of them will say or believe that they are BAD people! But IMO, they are and they are the ones supporting and aiding the problem.

Nazir's 05-02-2006 09:20 AM

Further... There are many people that do dog related care and do not desire a pay. I commend those people because they work so hard to clean up the messes that other people cause; i.e. rescue, shelter volunteers, foster homes, etc.

Kathryn_V 05-02-2006 10:39 AM

Wow???? And I thought there were good people left in the world?????
 
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Originally Posted by JeanieK
I wouldn't call selling your Grandmother's puppies, being a broker. You personally know the breeder and the puppies history. You can get any information that a buyer might want. A broker knows nothing about the dogs they sell, I'm not sure that some of them even know the breed. They just buy low and sell high. They falsify information, they sell one puppy with another puppy's registration, they aren't even sure of the birthdates for them.


I beg to differ.... There are brokers out there who work with only a hand full of breeders and can tell you alot about not only the breeder but the breed. Some brokers only work with a single breed. I am NOT a fan of brokers by any means... But there are still good people in the world guys... And like I said, its the exception, not the rule.

Please don't for a single minute think that I am defending "Brokers" as a whole.... I just ask that we not burn the whole library down because most of the books are bad....

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nazir's
Personally, if a person is breeding dogs but will later need assistance placing the puppies than they should NOT be breeding. It is that breeders responsibility to see to it that her dogs are placed in approved homes. I would not ever allow for my dogs to be placed by someone else, as when placing dogs myself I double check my own judgement. I surely know that I'd not be able to trust the judgement of someone elses..

I agree... However, This woman spent many years breeding and has hit the point in her life where she has decided to give it up. She was planning on moving into a senior living community at age 74! she is as fit as someone 20 years her junior and has all of her wits about her too! Her unit became available quite a bit sooner than expected, and as a result put her in a bit of a pickle! Which is why I am whelping this last litter for her. And the plan after that is to Spay her last female... She had spayed and re homed her other 4 females over the last 6 months... I think that she has been more than responsible, in my opinion, and given the unforeseen events... I feel that she has handled the situation in the best way possible.

But then again... we are all entitled to our opinions.

And Nazir's..... I surely do pray that life never puts you into a situation where you are not available to finish something you've started... and you have to have someone help you... We don't all have the luxury of being available 100% of the time.

And as for compensation.... When its offered... you'd be a fool to turn it down. Its hard work, and its well earned! Its also being done to help her out as much as anything! There were other people who would have done it for less.... But I was the one she could trust! Go figure?

Bizzymammabee 05-02-2006 11:12 AM

Kathryn V
 
:) I personally don't see anything wrong with what you are doing especially if you are able to provide all that the purchaser needs. I do think that there are the good and the bad out there with both Breeders and Brokers.

Nazir's 05-02-2006 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Kathryn_V

But then again... we are all entitled to our opinions.

And Nazir's..... I surely do pray that life never puts you into a situation where you are not available to finish something you've started... and you have to have someone help you... We don't all have the luxury of being available 100% of the time.

And as for compensation.... When its offered... you'd be a fool to turn it down. Its hard work, and its well earned! Its also being done to help her out as much as anything! There were other people who would have done it for less.... But I was the one she could trust! Go figure?

Excuse me, you asked a question and I answered it with my honest opinion! Without being given the whole story; which it wouldn't have matter either way, my opinions were general and would cover each and every situation. Though it's not for me to assume, I'd still question why has this lady been breeding so long, yet still has no other options than to place her dogs with you, for you to assume the position of a "broker".

It really doesn't matter either way. Personally, I still wouldn't purchase a dog from a second party if it wasn't through a shelter or rescue organization. My true opinions of Brokers are better left unsaid.

Kathryn_V 05-02-2006 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lorraine
I have no idea how you plan on interviewing and approving homes, what kind of guarantees you can give via your grandmother the actual breeder, whether or not registrations will be provided etc.
But if someone told me they heard of you and asked if they should buy from you my answer would be only if they could still meet your grandmother, see her other yorkies including the mother to the puppies, get the health guarantee in writing from her that both she and the buyer can review, sign and agree. If purebred will I get registration papers and who do I go after if anything goes wrong, you or your grandmother and will I have the legal foot to stand on to pursue either of you if something goes wrong?
All puppies are usually cute it is the adults from this breeder I am most interested in seeing as that is what this puppy will likely grow up to look like. Otherwise I would not buy from you if I were a potential puppy buyer nor would I recommend anyone else to buy under these circumstances.
Very seldom when I am selling a puppy do I own the Stud. Often I can show a picture that has been featured in the YOrkshire Terrier Magazine or refer to the breeder who owns the stud and who has been around and well known showing her dogs 20+ years.
I am sure you are wanting to help your grandmother and make a few bucks yourself but these are live animals you are dealing with not stereo equipment which actually does have at least a one year guarantee sometimes two sometimes three years if you purchase extended warrantees.

They are not Yorkies... They are Chi's and I will have the Dam here with the litter until the all sell. I also have an extensive Photo library of Pups from past and many as adults... The stud lives 10 minutes away, I have many pictures of him as well as he is owned by a family member, and at many Holiday events! So a buyer will have a really good idea of what their baby will look like all grown up! Most of the Pics I have are pups from this pair!

I am well aware that they are not Stereo Equipment.... Best buy will not take back your stereo in 5 years if you suddenly cant keep it! But a breeder will, or should! And my Grandmother has taken a few back over the years and re homed them for owners who have died, or families who for whatever reason could not keep them. Its in her contract, the puppy has to go back to the breeder, as a suitable home must be found. That is something I am taking on with this litter... And It is something that I have done in the past as well. I am not daft. I am fully aware of what is involved!

As far as interviewing and approving homes.... Its a process... I'm sure all of you breeders or anyone who has placed more than one animal can tell you... its different with each person... Some you feel the need to ask three times as many questions and some you feel better about... some you cut short cause you know right away that they are not the person for your pup and some you'll talk with for hours! Some you insist on a home visit and some will insist you come over for dinner and a tour of their home before you ever think of it! There is no set interview process.... it depends on who you are sitting across from! Some don't even make it past the phone... We've all had that phone call!

Lorraine 05-02-2006 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kathryn_V
They are not Yorkies... They are Chi's and I will have the Dam here with the litter until the all sell. I also have an extensive Photo library of Pups from past and many as adults... The stud lives 10 minutes away, I have many pictures of him as well as he is owned by a family member, and at many Holiday events! So a buyer will have a really good idea of what their baby will look like all grown up! Most of the Pics I have are pups from this pair!

I am well aware that they are not Stereo Equipment.... Best buy will not take back your stereo in 5 years if you suddenly cant keep it! But a breeder will, or should! And my Grandmother has taken a few back over the years and re homed them for owners who have died, or families who for whatever reason could not keep them. Its in her contract, the puppy has to go back to the breeder, as a suitable home must be found. That is something I am taking on with this litter... And It is something that I have done in the past as well. I am not daft. I am fully aware of what is involved!

As far as interviewing and approving homes.... Its a process... I'm sure all of you breeders or anyone who has placed more than one animal can tell you... its different with each person... Some you feel the need to ask three times as many questions and some you feel better about... some you cut short cause you know right away that they are not the person for your pup and some you'll talk with for hours! Some you insist on a home visit and some will insist you come over for dinner and a tour of their home before you ever think of it! There is no set interview process.... it depends on who you are sitting across from! Some don't even make it past the phone... We've all had that phone call!

I find it interesting how the first post you did only said you were soon to be a broker selling puppies for your grandmother. Now you have more information as more arguments are given against buying third party puppies.
So, what you are really about is only known to you. I do not change my point of view on brokers and I do not recommend buying via third party sales. If your intent was to bait so be it. If your intent in helping your grandmother is honourable or dishonourable that is up to you.
As the warning is always given it is always buyer beware anyway and it will be up to any buyers of these puppies to be sure what you are about as it would be with anyone buying a puppy or whatever it is you are purchasing.

MeganS 05-02-2006 04:33 PM

didn't a lot of people here buy from Ivan at Quality Canines? wouldn't he be considered a broker? I don't know that much about him or his practices..so this is just a question.

as for me...I voted maybe.

txshopper73 05-02-2006 04:48 PM

The only good broker that I've ever had the priveledge to know was my real estate broker!

Bizzymammabee 05-03-2006 02:30 AM

Broker...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by txshopper73
The only good broker that I've ever had the priveledge to know was my real estate broker!

There can be someone out there. Shoot when buying my house I came across a ton of shady realtors as well. With everything regarding a purchase I think you just have to tread carefully.

Bizzymammabee 05-03-2006 02:32 AM

Quality Canines
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MeganS
didn't a lot of people here buy from Ivan at Quality Canines? wouldn't he be considered a broker? I don't know that much about him or his practices..so this is just a question.

as for me...I voted maybe.


Ivan is definitely a broker. I went to check his pups four years ago and he has a ton of puppies in the front and a ton in the basement as well. He says that his family breeds those dogs. I find that hard to believe when he sells an assortment of puppies and can get what you need. Where he is he has no room for these dogs to play and run around.


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