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SoCalyorkiLvr · 01-23-2006, 01:24 PM

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Well, I can't speak for everyone, but I think it's pretty concrete that the 2 dogs I had that, per autopsy, died from ruptured hernias that we were well aware they had and in fact died from just that. I don't think that years down the road, they ruptured because we had them s/n. But, like yourself, I suppose that is also my assumption and just what I want to believe rather than an actual fact.
Anyway, I wasn't looking for an argument so I will accept your answer of "I guess so..." and move on. (That's all I was really looking for anyway.

) Thanks!

No problem......and I am not looking ot argue either....just friendly discussion on an important topic.....

I have the same quandry though as does everyone who has their dog neutered at a young age because we have no way of knowing if their persoanlities and traits are as a result of who they were originally or if they have been altered in some way by the lack of hormones after neutering.

Read this interesting post fro a member in Spain where they do a less invasive microsurgery on females and leave them with their ovaries so they still have their hormones but remove the uterus so they cannot get pregnant.

Acording to my vet,taking a females ovaries away affects her entire personality and her body.He thinks that females who have no female hormones due to complete spaying,end up looking fat and old way before their time and for the past few years he refuses to do any complete spaying (only to females).
He says that female dogs dont go through menopause so the removal of the ovaries is a big shock to their sytem as they would never experience this drastic hormonal unbalance naturally like human women do.It can cause hair loss,dry skin,depresion,lack of apetite,sudden weight loss or gain etc..the list was quite long as I remember.
Its just like a very un-natural,drastic menopause which their bodies arent prepared for.
This is what I was told and after reading the leaflet my vet gave me when Lady was spayed,I think its true.Bitches dont go through menopause,there for their bodies arent prepared for it,its common sense really.The lack of ovaries is the lack of hormones and the lack of hormones means menopauseThe link to the entire thread which was very interesting is http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27347

BamaFan121s · 01-23-2006, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr

No problem......and I am not looking ot argue either....just friendly discussion on an important topic.....

I have the same quandry though as does everyone who has their dog neutered at a young age because we have no way of knowing if their persoanlities and traits are as a result of who they were originally or if they have been altered in some way by the lack of hormones after neutering.

Read this interesting post fro a member in Spain where they do a less invasive microsurgery on females and leave them with their ovaries so they still have their hormones but remove the uterus so they cannot get pregnant.
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Arighty then, that is that. I could find something that someone said about how it doesn't cause problems, you could find something someone says about how it does cause them.
I agree, like you've already mentioned, we can read this and that all day long, but when it actually comes down to the facts, we have no way of knowing.
Anyway, no hard feelings.

I am just interested to see what experiences others have and have not actually had.

Sorry Irene for taking your topic off somewhere else.

Back to reading what others have to say now.

SoCalyorkiLvr · 01-23-2006, 01:51 PM

I think this was very helpful to the thread if people read all of the responses before replying or even if they don't they may learn something after the fact which is fine.

It is hard to respond immediately without doing some thinking imo.

I am also very interested in seeing and reading the responses.

YorkieRini · 01-23-2006, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Arighty then, that is that. I could find something that someone said about how it doesn't cause problems, you could find something someone says about how it does cause them.
I agree, like you've already mentioned, we can read this and that all day long, but when it actually comes down to the facts, we have no way of knowing.
Anyway, no hard feelings.

I am just interested to see what experiences others have and have not actually had.

Sorry Irene for taking your topic off somewhere else.

Back to reading what others have to say now.

You did what? Well I never...!!!..hahahaha..j/k of course. Hey..as long things dont' get nasty..I could careless if they go off topic to be quite honest...carry on

doggieluver · 01-23-2006, 03:16 PM

Ok I know I left a response tothis thread and now its gone !!!! There was nothing offensive in it it was all fact and what my experience was is that not the question here?

SoCalyorkiLvr · 01-23-2006, 03:51 PM

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Ok I know I left a response tothis thread and now its gone !!!! There was nothing offensive in it it was all fact and what my experience was is that not the question here?

Sometimes I have hit the wrong button thinking I hit submit...i bet that is what you did because I don't think any posts have been deleted on this thread

BabyFidgette · 01-23-2006, 04:18 PM

I didn't get Baby fixed yet, but I will at 6 months.

troubletb · 01-23-2006, 04:22 PM

I had a westie before my yorkie gang, I only neutured him at around 7 yrs old because he was having a problem with enlarged prostrate.. Having him fixed helped him live until 14 plus years!!

doggieluver · 01-23-2006, 04:39 PM

Hmm maybe but not likely at any rate I did have a bad experience to make a long story short I had my male cockapoo/pom fixed and they left 1 testicle in so he had to have it re done but I didnt use my regular vet so needless to day I will ALWAYS use my vet from now on !!!!

StewiesMom · 01-23-2006, 04:43 PM

Stewie was neutered around one year of age and I haven't noticed anything different about him as a result, nor did he have any health problems as a result of the neuter. I can state, however, that his personality has GREATLY improved. I believe the improvement resulted mostly from his neutering and partially because he is getting older and wiser

Athina · 01-23-2006, 04:57 PM

I haven't had any problems with the actual spay itself but when Ruby was getting spaied/4 canines removed, she came home with part of her tongue missing because they had cut it off

It was just a little piece at the end of her tongue but I was FURIOUS! Needless to say I think I'll be bringing Bella somewhere else when her time comes.

YorkieRini · 01-23-2006, 05:35 PM

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Ok I know I left a response tothis thread and now its gone !!!! There was nothing offensive in it it was all fact and what my experience was is that not the question here?

I don't know what happend to your originial post. Usually when it gets deleted it will still show you as the author and the admin that deleted it and then a reason. I don't see anything like that..I'm glad you decided to repost it..your input is just as important!!

red98vett · 01-24-2006, 05:40 AM

I think it's a dis-service to them not to do this - The benefit is for both the DOG and The owner...(parent)

I'm also kind of tired seeing 'DON'T SPAY or Neuter' here on this site - it sure sends the wrong signals -

The VAST MAJORITY of dogs have no problems with the surgery and are fine in a day or 2.....The benefits far outweigh the actual procedure.....In my personal life - I think the benefits are more noticable in males....

I've known too many people who's UN-NEUTERED males want to hump my leg endlessly... or they pee ALL OVER the place - not to mention - they want to mate with anything that moves....and that includes MY GIRLS !

I voted no never - I've had lots of cats... and now have dogs and never ever had a problem with the surgery.

BamaFan121s · 01-24-2006, 05:53 AM

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I've had lots of cats

Ewwww....

red98vett · 01-24-2006, 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Ewwww....

I DID !! I always had at least 2 cats growing up - always male.... and my un-neutered males were ALWAYS on the prowl and marked - while the un-neutered male I had was a sweetheart.....I had a total of 4 cats growing up and one of them was JUST like a dog - Came to my whistle ...followed me everywhere ...even would chase my car ! He was the best cat ever - My whole family loved him but he only loved ME. hehe ...oh - & he WAS neutered.

sorry - didn't mean to go off topic here - BUT MY point is - The UN-Neutered pets I had did have some traits I would have prefered they not have !

Edited to add - I forgot to mention the un-neutered ones FIGHT Too !

View Poll Results: Have you had a problem come up as a result of spaying or neutering your dog (any dog)
Yes....once	4	6.06%
Yes..more than once time	1	1.52%
No..NEVER EVER	59	89.39%
My dog was less than 5 yrs	19	28.79%
My dog was more than 5 yrs	1	1.52%
Spay before first heat	9	13.64%
Spay after first heat	8	12.12%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 66. You may not vote on this poll

01-23-2006, 03:16 PM	#20
doggieluver My Heart, My Life, My Dogs Donating Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: El Paso,TX Posts: 759	Ok I know I left a response tothis thread and now its gone !!!! There was nothing offensive in it it was all fact and what my experience was is that not the question here? __________________ Jessi and my 4 's SugarBear's Taz Gizmo's Gidget

01-23-2006, 04:18 PM	#22
BabyFidgette Learn Yorkie CPR! Donating Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 6,855	I didn't get Baby fixed yet, but I will at 6 months. __________________ Nicole & Baby "The more men I meet, the more I love my Yorkie!"

01-23-2006, 04:39 PM	#24
doggieluver My Heart, My Life, My Dogs Donating Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: El Paso,TX Posts: 759	Hmm maybe but not likely at any rate I did have a bad experience to make a long story short I had my male cockapoo/pom fixed and they left 1 testicle in so he had to have it re done but I didnt use my regular vet so needless to day I will ALWAYS use my vet from now on !!!! __________________ Jessi and my 4 's SugarBear's Taz Gizmo's Gidget

01-23-2006, 04:43 PM	#25
StewiesMom Stewie Rox the Sox Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 6,306	Stewie was neutered around one year of age and I haven't noticed anything different about him as a result, nor did he have any health problems as a result of the neuter. I can state, however, that his personality has GREATLY improved. I believe the improvement resulted mostly from his neutering and partially because he is getting older and wiser __________________ Kristy & Stewie

01-23-2006, 01:51 PM	#18
SoCalyorkiLvr BANNED! Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 8,246	I think this was very helpful to the thread if people read all of the responses before replying or even if they don't they may learn something after the fact which is fine. It is hard to respond immediately without doing some thinking imo. I am also very interested in seeing and reading the responses.

01-23-2006, 04:22 PM	#23
troubletb Love my Yorkies Donating Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: New Port Richey, Florida Posts: 2,339	I had a westie before my yorkie gang, I only neutured him at around 7 yrs old because he was having a problem with enlarged prostrate.. Having him fixed helped him live until 14 plus years!!

01-23-2006, 04:57 PM	#26
Athina YT Addict Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 467	I haven't had any problems with the actual spay itself but when Ruby was getting spaied/4 canines removed, she came home with part of her tongue missing because they had cut it off It was just a little piece at the end of her tongue but I was FURIOUS! Needless to say I think I'll be bringing Bella somewhere else when her time comes. __________________ Athina, Ruby, Bella

01-24-2006, 05:40 AM	#28
red98vett Yorkie Kisses are the Best! Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Houston TX Posts: 33,590 Blog Entries: 1	I think it's a dis-service to them not to do this - The benefit is for both the DOG and The owner...(parent) I'm also kind of tired seeing 'DON'T SPAY or Neuter' here on this site - it sure sends the wrong signals - The VAST MAJORITY of dogs have no problems with the surgery and are fine in a day or 2.....The benefits far outweigh the actual procedure.....In my personal life - I think the benefits are more noticable in males.... I've known too many people who's UN-NEUTERED males want to hump my leg endlessly... or they pee ALL OVER the place - not to mention - they want to mate with anything that moves....and that includes MY GIRLS ! I voted no never - I've had lots of cats... and now have dogs and never ever had a problem with the surgery. __________________ Villette, Chanel & Cheri www.DesignsByVillette.net Custom Address Labels and Note Cards using YOUR Photos! Just Click HERE!