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yorkiesmiles · 07-25-2008, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by SassyAnn101

Latley I too have read some posts that have been very critical, rude, and hurtful to other members, more so new members coming here for help and advice. They should not have to leave here feeling more confused and alone than before they came.

Yes, this is the problem. I hate to see new members attacked. Education can be parted in a kind way. It just might require a bit more effort

I know sometimes I haven't read something correctly and maybe commented and got someone upset, but I also know that others my miss what I'm saying -- but in the long run I am the responsible one.

We should be able to post our comments, but do so with some grace. And sometimes we have to just agree to disagree.

Please PM me if I have out stepped my boundaries and said something offensive. I'm certainly not here to offend

MinMuf1 · 07-25-2008, 08:49 AM

I am SO glad you started this thread. I really want to see just how many here will be TOTALLY honest with us here at YT and themselves!

I cast my vote for being responsible for how my words may affect others! And, I tend to not post much as a result. I find myself constantly sitting on my hands just to keep from getting involved with some of the petty issues that goes on around here. I have read WAYto many posts where a few select individuals have posted their opinion(s) in a manner in which they could care less of how it may affect others. And, for me that is just way out of character. The way I see things is if you don't like what someone has posted, just close the post and move on! If everyone did this, there really wouldn't be a need for this poll in the first place...Now, would there?!?! Remember Mother always said "If you don't have anything nice to say...DON'T SAY ANYTHING!"

4doggiemama · 07-25-2008, 10:14 AM

I am fairly new to this board. This is what I see. There are very educated members of this board who want to teach others about our beloved Yorkies. When they post it is most often the Newbies with fewer than 1,500 posts that are coming on calling them rude, hateful, mean, intolerant, intimidating, just to name a few. Now who is doing the unkind thing here? I read and re-read the posts looking for why the educator is being accused and most of the time I just can't find it. I have seen long time members siding with the complainers and it makes me very disappointed. Who is being the positive poster here? Again, JMHO. Joanne

Yorkiedaze · 07-25-2008, 10:20 AM

As usual, I'm am totally in the dark here. I must miss a lot of posts or something because I have not read anything mean. This is also the first I've seen this string and am already too late to vote. I keep reading how upset people are about rude posters, but have not read any of those myself. Oh well!

Hokule'a · 07-25-2008, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Yorkiedaze

As usual, I'm am totally in the dark here. I must miss a lot of posts or something because I have not read anything mean. This is also the first I've seen this string and am already too late to vote. I keep reading how upset people are about rude posters, but have not read any of those myself. Oh well!

Why are you too late to vote? I just did.

LuvMySissy · 07-25-2008, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by 4doggiemama

I am fairly new to this board. This is what I see. There are very educated members of this board who want to teach others about our beloved Yorkies. When they post it is most often the Newbies with fewer than 1,500 posts that are coming on calling them rude, hateful, mean, intolerant, intimidating, just to name a few. Now who is doing the unkind thing here? I read and re-read the posts looking for why the educator is being accused and most of the time I just can't find it. I have seen long time members siding with the complainers and it makes me very disappointed. Who is being the positive poster here? Again, JMHO. Joanne

Keep in mind that many of the really rude posts have been deleted by Admin - but by that time they have already done the damage.

chattiesmom · 07-25-2008, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by 4doggiemama

I am fairly new to this board. This is what I see. There are very educated members of this board who want to teach others about our beloved Yorkies. When they post it is most often the Newbies with fewer than 1,500 posts that are coming on calling them rude, hateful, mean, intolerant, intimidating, just to name a few. Now who is doing the unkind thing here? I read and re-read the posts looking for why the educator is being accused and most of the time I just can't find it. I have seen long time members siding with the complainers and it makes me very disappointed. Who is being the positive poster here? Again, JMHO. Joanne

Joanne, I sincerely appreciate your comments. However, this was a poll without regards to whether the poster was an established member or a newbie. I would like to keep this one on track .....

The two questions were:

1) I have the right to speak my mind and if it hurts others it doesn't matter.
2) I have the right to speak my mind, but I also bear the responsibility of how my words affect others.

Izzy Princess · 07-25-2008, 10:56 AM

For the first time yesterday I was involved with a thread where a newbie left YT after all that mess. It wasn't the subject matter that I disagreed with it was how some posters worded their posts. I know that there are many smart, educated members here with a strong passion regarding some hot issues but some newbies come to YT to learn about those issues or have questions regarding those issues and want to learn. From them learning they can educate others and that's why YT and other forums exist..not just for pretty pictures and funny stories but to learn about our Yorkies and how to make their world a safer and healthier place.

Yes and by the time most people read heated threads the bad posts are deleted so some question why all the fuss? If they only saw what was deleted then maybe they would understand.

bchgirl · 07-25-2008, 10:56 AM

I could ask why commentary from one isn't allowed while others have been allowed to post their comments.

Every post on every forum, everywhere, is subjected to the reader’s perception and interpretation of the poster’s intent.

This includes what I just posted about...in every reader's mind a perception and/or opinion was formed.

Btw, I have always fully accepted the responsibility of my actions.

chattiesmom · 07-25-2008, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by bchgirl

I could ask why commentary from one isn't allowed while others have been allowed to post their comments.

Every post on every forum, everywhere, is subjected to the reader’s perception and interpretation of the poster’s intent.

This includes what I just posted about...in every reader's mind a perception and/or opinion was formed.

Btw, I have always fully accepted the responsibility of my actions.

I am not sure I understand what you are trying to say? This poll, like every other YT thread is open to all to comment freely - I would just like to keep comments on topic. I would love to read comments from ALL who vote even those who believe that they have the right to say things even when they hurt others.

4doggiemama · 07-25-2008, 11:06 AM

no the thread i am referring to had only one post deleted.

Mom to Hot Rod · 07-25-2008, 11:15 AM

I have seen a cycle on YT since I joined. For a little while there seemed to be a lot of negativity. Then it was positive for awhile. And lately there does seem to be a lot of undertones to what people say. It is a shame when a new member gets jumped on. They are here to learn, as I have since joining. I have always said that the education I get out of YT outweighs the bad comments.

So yes, I feel one does have a responsibility to not hurt others when they speak. Once the comment is made, you can not take it back. Everyone has an opinion, sometimes it is best to keep it to yourself.

chattiesmom · 07-25-2008, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by 4doggiemama

no the thread i am referring to had only one post deleted.

Your comments are off topic - please let's stay focused on the two poll questions and limit comments to the poll questions.

chachi · 07-25-2008, 11:19 AM

I think everybody should take responsibility for what they say but I have also seen where someone was called rude when they were just informing. Even when they put things like I am saying this gently. There seems to be alot of drama both ways lately. Those being accused of being rude and those scolding them

Izzy Princess · 07-25-2008, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by chachi

I think everybody should take responsibility for what they say but I have also seen where someone was called rude when they were just informing. Even when they put things like I am saying this gently. There seems to be alot of drama both ways lately. Those being accused of being rude and those scolding them

True.

View Poll Results: Freedom of speech - rights and responsibilities
I have the right to speak my mind and if it hurts others, it doesn't matter.	2	2.78%
I have the right to speak my mind, but I also bear the responsibility of how my words affect others.	70	97.22%
Voters: 72. You may not vote on this poll

07-25-2008, 10:14 AM	#18
4doggiemama Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: KS Posts: 3,290	I am fairly new to this board. This is what I see. There are very educated members of this board who want to teach others about our beloved Yorkies. When they post it is most often the Newbies with fewer than 1,500 posts that are coming on calling them rude, hateful, mean, intolerant, intimidating, just to name a few. Now who is doing the unkind thing here? I read and re-read the posts looking for why the educator is being accused and most of the time I just can't find it. I have seen long time members siding with the complainers and it makes me very disappointed. Who is being the positive poster here? Again, JMHO. Joanne __________________ Joanne Eli ChipperEva Snowboy Rosie(R.I.P. 1996-July 29, 2013) Cocoa(R.I.P 1998-April 26, 2012): Last edited by 4doggiemama; 07-25-2008 at 10:18 AM.

07-25-2008, 10:56 AM	#23
Izzy Princess Therapy Dog Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 5,635 Blog Entries: 1	For the first time yesterday I was involved with a thread where a newbie left YT after all that mess. It wasn't the subject matter that I disagreed with it was how some posters worded their posts. I know that there are many smart, educated members here with a strong passion regarding some hot issues but some newbies come to YT to learn about those issues or have questions regarding those issues and want to learn. From them learning they can educate others and that's why YT and other forums exist..not just for pretty pictures and funny stories but to learn about our Yorkies and how to make their world a safer and healthier place. Yes and by the time most people read heated threads the bad posts are deleted so some question why all the fuss? If they only saw what was deleted then maybe they would understand. __________________ Cynd, Izzy (Yorkie) & Cosmo (Biewer)(Secwetary & Charter Membwer of the Dirty FurKids Cwub)-Jusz say NO ta bein' cwean!)proud member of the *CrAzYcLu*B! ~The PINK club~SRC

07-25-2008, 10:56 AM	#24
bchgirl Donating YT 10K Club Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: at da beach Posts: 15,444 Blog Entries: 2	I could ask why commentary from one isn't allowed while others have been allowed to post their comments. Every post on every forum, everywhere, is subjected to the reader’s perception and interpretation of the poster’s intent. This includes what I just posted about...in every reader's mind a perception and/or opinion was formed. Btw, I have always fully accepted the responsibility of my actions. __________________ Deb, Reese, Reggie, Frazier, Libby, Sidney, & Bodie Trace & Ramsey who watch over us www.biewersbythebay.com

07-25-2008, 11:06 AM	#26
4doggiemama Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: KS Posts: 3,290	no the thread i am referring to had only one post deleted. __________________ Joanne Eli ChipperEva Snowboy Rosie(R.I.P. 1996-July 29, 2013) Cocoa(R.I.P 1998-April 26, 2012): Last edited by 4doggiemama; 07-25-2008 at 11:09 AM.

07-25-2008, 08:49 AM	#17
MinMuf1 Peanut Gallery Mom Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,256	I am SO glad you started this thread. I really want to see just how many here will be TOTALLY honest with us here at YT and themselves! I cast my vote for being responsible for how my words may affect others! And, I tend to not post much as a result. I find myself constantly sitting on my hands just to keep from getting involved with some of the petty issues that goes on around here. I have read WAYto many posts where a few select individuals have posted their opinion(s) in a manner in which they could care less of how it may affect others. And, for me that is just way out of character. The way I see things is if you don't like what someone has posted, just close the post and move on! If everyone did this, there really wouldn't be a need for this poll in the first place...Now, would there?!?! Remember Mother always said "If you don't have anything nice to say...DON'T SAY ANYTHING!"

07-25-2008, 10:20 AM	#19
Yorkiedaze My hairy-legged girls Donating Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: lompoc, ca. Posts: 12,228	As usual, I'm am totally in the dark here. I must miss a lot of posts or something because I have not read anything mean. This is also the first I've seen this string and am already too late to vote. I keep reading how upset people are about rude posters, but have not read any of those myself. Oh well!

07-25-2008, 11:15 AM	#27
Mom to Hot Rod Donating YT 5000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: MD Posts: 10,908	I have seen a cycle on YT since I joined. For a little while there seemed to be a lot of negativity. Then it was positive for awhile. And lately there does seem to be a lot of undertones to what people say. It is a shame when a new member gets jumped on. They are here to learn, as I have since joining. I have always said that the education I get out of YT outweighs the bad comments. So yes, I feel one does have a responsibility to not hurt others when they speak. Once the comment is made, you can not take it back. Everyone has an opinion, sometimes it is best to keep it to yourself. __________________ www.kissecollar.com Soft Cone Collars for Post-surgery and much more! 10% (non-food) - Discount code YT10

07-25-2008, 11:19 AM	#29
chachi I Love My Yorkies Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Indianapolis, Indiana Posts: 37,147	I think everybody should take responsibility for what they say but I have also seen where someone was called rude when they were just informing. Even when they put things like I am saying this gently. There seems to be alot of drama both ways lately. Those being accused of being rude and those scolding them __________________ Chachi's & Jewels Mom Jewels http://www.dogster.com/?132431 Chachi http://www.dogster.com/?132427