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View Poll Results: Was liver shunt testing done on the pup? | |||
LS tested before pup left breeder's home | 3 | 18.75% | |
LS tested after the purchase of the pup | 3 | 18.75% | |
8-10 weeks of age | 1 | 6.25% | |
10-12 weeks of age | 1 | 6.25% | |
12-14 weeks of age | 1 | 6.25% | |
14+ weeks of age | 9 | 56.25% | |
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 16. You may not vote on this poll |
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01-19-2008, 10:12 PM | #16 | |
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__________________ ~Magnifique Yorkies~ Purchasing from backyard breeders, pet shops, and puppymills perpetuates the suffering of other dogs. Educate yourself and buy from reputable breeders or rescue. | |
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01-19-2008, 10:12 PM | #17 | |
And Rylee Finnegan Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Metro Detroit, MI
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Interesting. I think it is funny how vets are so slow to change protocol (still requiring 12 hour fasts) when the inventor of the test says it isn't necessary.
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01-19-2008, 10:18 PM | #18 | |
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I was wondering about this very thing, the possiblity of parents testing okay and still producing an LS puppy. I did wonder if the disease could skip a generation. Now that I know, I wouldn't accept a puppy just because the parents were cleared, I would insist the puppy be tested too.
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01-19-2008, 10:20 PM | #19 | |
And Rylee Finnegan Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Metro Detroit, MI
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You might be interested in this: http://clubs.akc.org/astc/health/astchlth/astcshnt/
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01-19-2008, 10:30 PM | #20 | |
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__________________ ~Magnifique Yorkies~ Purchasing from backyard breeders, pet shops, and puppymills perpetuates the suffering of other dogs. Educate yourself and buy from reputable breeders or rescue. | |
01-19-2008, 10:36 PM | #21 | |
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__________________ ~Magnifique Yorkies~ Purchasing from backyard breeders, pet shops, and puppymills perpetuates the suffering of other dogs. Educate yourself and buy from reputable breeders or rescue. | |
01-20-2008, 05:19 AM | #22 | |
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As Dr. Center says in her handout, the importance of having a BAT done at about four months (or before the puppy goes home) is that it can avoid confusion and invasive tests like liver biopsies later on in MVD dogs. For those of you who breed and have vets who are not aware that the protocol eliminating the 12 hour fasting has changed, have them contact Dr. Center herself for a consultation. Apparently she is very willing to advise both vets and pet owners. | |
01-20-2008, 02:04 PM | #23 | |
And Rylee Finnegan Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Metro Detroit, MI
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Ladymom, do you know if Dr. Center would talk to me personally? Not my vet... I don't know if I want to but may need to have some good answers soon.
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01-20-2008, 02:53 PM | #24 |
Phantom Queen Morrigan Donating Member | here are a few things i've learned so far from working where i do about liver problems. The Bile Acid Test is preformed with a pre and post feeding blood draw, NOT one blood draw after a 12 hour fast. It is important to do the pre and post testing to get the most accurate information. Also a ultrasound of the abdomen will help to see if there is anything going on with the liver. The dogs that turn out to have full blown shunts are usually under 2 years old when diagnosed and have surgery. At one point i was worried about Morgan. She has never had a BAT done. One day when she was sick (vomiting) i just had this crazy notion that she had liver problems so i brought her to work with me. I was told that if she did have liver problems they would have become very apparent when she was spayed because she would have had a difficult time with the anesthesia (not waking up, taking a long time to recover, dying on the spot). She has gone under anesthesia twice with no problems.
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01-20-2008, 03:00 PM | #25 |
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| I would try it. I know of at least one member of the Maltese forum offhand who has personally spoken to Dr. Center after going through a lot of tests with no conclusive answers. I'm pretty sure there was another one, too. Both these were pretty recent, too, within the past few months. |
01-20-2008, 03:02 PM | #26 |
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| Most definitely.....The pre-meal test is not enough.. There have to be two samples, one before, one after...
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01-20-2008, 06:00 PM | #27 | |
And Rylee Finnegan Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Metro Detroit, MI
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Liver compromised dogs go under anesthesia and quite a few do fine. Some have reactions. Ellie does fine with it and her postprandial is 106. I would do a bile acid test if you're concerned. There is also a possibility of asymptomatic MVD.
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01-20-2008, 06:01 PM | #28 | |
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01-20-2008, 06:32 PM | #29 | |
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When i brought up my dog, i used it as an example to say that the chance of her having a liver shunt after going under anesthesia twice with flying colors is very minimal. If there was a problem it would have been discovered during her spay (1st anesthesia) and her dental (2nd anesthesia) would never have been performed (at least at a general practice because they just cannot handle it). i am no longer concerned about my dog.
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01-20-2008, 09:08 PM | #30 |
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| After having health issues with both my yorkies I have now (different breeders) I did ask the breeder I am getting a little girl from to do the test. I think mostly it is just for my own peace of mind, cannot go through having another sick baby.
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