<sigh> Ever feel like you're just banging your head into a wall...:(

You admit yourself it happens. It's wrong, but it happens. Yes, he had every chance in the world to change, but he chose not to...he chose to stick with and continue what he'd been taught was acceptable. All I was trying to do is point this out a possible underlying reason for his choice. Just for discussion sake, look past and examine why and where some people may get the indication that it is OK. HE had an education and maybe he 'should have known better.' What about the 12 year old out there doing it?

Thanks...you've actually reitterated what I've been saying, in a round about way...

Nah, I agree with you. I hope he never plays again either. And really, what NFL franchise would welcome him and want their team associated with him. His days are done, and rightfully so, if you ask me. And I don't know about it being a "Southern thing"...I think dog fighting is present everywhere...?

Diggy, as much as the NFL wanted to find something to keep him there,once they knew he lied and was forced in a corner by his friends admitting guilt I think he lost the whole case with them. Like you mentioned he did not do the right thing and admit guilt until he had to....I see no grey area.

LaPrincess, I do understand what you are saying and getting to the root of the problem is a great way to solve a problem but sometimes it's one person at a time.

That's it for me on this subject til December.

Yep, and I TOTALLY agree with you. When a person is given no chance at an education and really is a product of the environment I can give a little understanding....but when your 12 year old son owns things with this mans name on it and he walks up to you as seriously as he can be, and stands before you with a Vick Jersey and a handful of Vick cards and says Mom, can I cut all this stuff up and burn it?? I said sure. Well it layed on the steps for the day as we were busy and then he said hey mom did u know the Humane Society is now accepting Vick clothes to clean out their kennels with?? I said No, I didnt realize that. He asked if we could donate it instead!!! I don't think I have EVER been more proud of my son then I was at that moment. And i really mean that.

As for the 12 year olds out there doing it...Like someone else said I guess take it one kid at a time. And with all this press and see Michael Vick getting thrown in the Clank will save just one child from this horrific practice they have been shown.

That was really sweet of your son. See he is young and knew it was wrong.

Hmm...maybe, depending on how you define 'education.' Never in all my 'education' did they ever attempt to teach morals, which is what this would fall under. I don't remember ever taking a class with lectures on dog fighting. Textbook learnin' doesn't cover some subjects, unfortunately.:( Sounds like your son definately has someone teaching him right from wrong and I bet you were very proud of the way he acted.:thumbup: Sounds like your son already has some good morals being instilled in him...sadly there are some who never got that.

Clearly he has someone there teaching him WHY it is wrong and unacceptable. :) For many, it's just something 'common' that they see every day and don't bat an eye at.

I sure hope that he uses this in the end to reach out to people that think this is acceptable. Sad to say but sometimes it takes something really bad to happen before any good can come out of it. :rolleyes:

Geez it's not December and I'm back already but this is such a great post
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such a sad part of the whole thing, these kids have had him as an idol.

I swear I'm not back til I buy my Christmas Tree:) on this subject that is.

Lol...maybe by then his trial will be over!:D

when he said that i didn't believe him at all. There is no way you can have something like that going on at your estate and not know it. I only believed that this was a factor after he owned a dog or two and then he has some relative say "Hey why don't we do it big at your house?" then it escalated, thas what i believed from the beginning. I know that my cousin who played for the greenbay packers doesn't even talk to his siblings father or whatever because when you come from poverty and all of a sudden make money and your family is not only poor but inconsiderate, they can take advantage.

There are just tough choices to make and he made the wrong one. I do hope that he makes a place in his future to really start helping save animals because of what he has learned and went through. It will take some maturity and humility for him to step up and be a part of the solution.

I was thinking something along the same concept...what about in cultures where there is constant fighting and killing..does that make it o.k? Maybe we should put Woopi and Vick in a room together, make them fight and see how they like it.

IMO....The only difference in the people who get sucked into that kind of destructive life and the ones who don't are the ones with a strong will, determination, courage, commitment, morals, and a good character.....nothing worth while is easy, if we only had to do the easy stuff in life not much would get done.....
We certainly wouldn't have surgeons, chemists, doctors, engineers etc...etc. if they quit because it got hard, sheer will .... sure your background can put you at a disadvantage but it surly isn't a life sentence of doom and it can be over come.....how bad do you want it?

The free pass comment came from reading the other sports figures making comments such as: dog fighting is a sport...it's no different than hunting.....dogs get into fight all the time....
These kinds of comment are an indication that Vick shouldn't be prosecuted for this....

LaPrincesa, I've seen several of your posts mentioning how your personally helping in your community to stop these kinds of things from happening, how exactly are you doing that, are you working undercover?

Glad some one else gets it....common sense tells me he was only in this for the thrill of the kill, he already had money....

I really didn't wanna discuss it here that is why i didn't elaborate. first off when this first broke out I called everyone from my hood all my cousins to check and make sure that they knew what was going on. I don't know any of them that actually participate for a fact but i do know a certain area where arrest were made in my relatives old neighborhood. I made sure to give them all a speech about animal cruelty and how it was wrong. I felt that that was the least i could do because some of these guys just don't have someone that knows better telling them whats right from wrong. I have planned from the beginning to make my boys therapy dogs so training is really important to me. Many kids who know people who own dogs or own dogs themselves have don't have trained dogs, or any have dogs they keep outside in the cold cold winter because they never trained the dog when they got it. i know because that is how i grew up.Many don't realize how easy it ca be to take time to train a dog basic things that can will keep both owner and a beloved pet happy inside a home no matter how big the dog is. Since i was planning on volunteering at my old job Children's hospital, as well as a few assisted living places, I thought why don't I call up my sons old Principal, and well as my old principal and see if i can bring my dogs in once they get certified. I did just that and I figure that once the children can see how good a pet can be and how easy it is to train a few tricks then they will remember that for their own pets in the future and the more kids i reach the more likely I will touch the heart of a potential kid who will be enticed by friends to harm an animal. I can tell them about how wrong harming animals can be and maybe they will look into my dogs eyes and know that its wrong too. Maybe those one or two kids that i reach will have the will and strength to say no or speak up and tell someone its wrong.

See for this i don't have to belong to peta and i don't have to do some undercover crap. I just have to be upfront and be myself and just take time out of my busy schedule and give a little back to the community and hope that my effort makes i difference.
this is why it strikes me funny to see everyone pointing fingers and complaining and not trying to do their part to change things. It doesn't take much to be a small part of the solution.

then it would be ok for us to also put you in that room and fight as well since you have a different way of thinking than me as well. . Just because someone doesn't think the same way as u doesn't mean u should say such a cruel things, especially since u brought up the question "does it make it ok?"