New Breed?: Chinese Pekie

[calaryn yorkies]

Hello. I Just saw this thread and am dismayed that this is happening. I almost hate to write this as it may get me in trouble down the road, but oh well for the sake of honest breeder information, I may be able to give you some information.

I'm rarely here on YT. Usually hang with the Biewer crowd. I have bred Yorkies for several years and this past summer have imported 2 Biewers from Germany and bought one from German imports bred in California.

Some not so careful breeders in Germany saw a chance to make money and sent inferior dogs to the USA. Some of these dogs were crossed with Biewer and Yorkie and who knows what else. Some brokers here bought them up and resold them for a profit. Sort of an import puppy mill.

The BYA (Biewer Yorkshire Association) is a club started by a few people who bought many of these "Biewers". Some of them are callling the Biewer/Yorkie crosses "splitters", "F1, F2". They are not 100% Biewer. The mixed litters are then sold as Yorkie if they are colored like Yorkies and others in the same litter that have Biewer markings are called Biewer. But they are mixed breeds.

The dogs they bought turned out not to be the best example of the breed. So, they RE-WROTE the original German standard to fit their dogs.

The original standard for the Biewer was written in Germany and remains the standard that reputable Biewer breeders strictly adhere to. It can be found at the International Biewer Club website in Germany: http://www.ach-l.de/home2.Internatio...ier%20Club.htm There are two pages in English, the rest can be translated using Alta Vista translator.

Most. if not all, pure bred Biewers are registered in Germany, and the registries show at least 3 generations, some have 5 generations as well as their championship titles if they have them and their eye, patella, etc. certifications.

The ACR (American Canine Registry) was started by one of the people who bought some of the substandard Biewer mixes so that she could find a way to register them. If you look on their "about us" page, it clearly says there is no board of directors, that it is family run. The other breeds were added IMO to make it appear more legitimate, but when I first saw it last year, it was only beginning with those dogs she bought from Germany. It is NOT an old registry, but made to look like a ligit registry.

I have heard of trouble with that Kennel before, but don't know the details. I can try to find out if you want. You are very correct to be suspicious. I think the "China connection" is baloney. Probably had an oops with Yorkie and Pekinese or maybe an intentional breeding with a nice story to promote a new "designer" breed.

This kind of deception and claims really hurts the breeds, both Yorkie and Biewer. No wonder so many Yorkie breeders are against the Biewer. OH, and a 100% Biewer is NOT a parti-colored yorkie. Biewers have a set pattern on their head, must be symetrical 3 colors, no color on legs or tail or chest. Parti's have colors appearing randomly.

Sorry this is so long. But education about the Biewer is a major goal of mine. Biewers are a beautiful breed as well as the Yorkshire Terrier and I love them both and insist they are a separate breed. Biewers are shown in rarities now, but eventually and hopefully they will be recognized as a separate breed by the FCI and AKC. But it will take eliminating misconceptions and deception. Again, sorry this is so long, but it got my attention....
Carolyn
Proud member of http://www.biewerbci.org and IBC of Germany

[Amber_lv]

Originally Posted by calaryn yorkies

Hello. I Just saw this thread and am dismayed that this is happening. I almost hate to write this as it may get me in trouble down the road, but oh well for the sake of honest breeder information, I may be able to give you some information.

I'm rarely here on YT. Usually hang with the Biewer crowd. I have bred Yorkies for several years and this past summer have imported 2 Biewers from Germany and bought one from German imports bred in California.

Some not so careful breeders in Germany saw a chance to make money and sent inferior dogs to the USA. Some of these dogs were crossed with Biewer and Yorkie and who knows what else. Some brokers here bought them up and resold them for a profit. Sort of an import puppy mill.

The BYA (Biewer Yorkshire Association) is a club started by a few people who bought many of these "Biewers". Some of them are callling the Biewer/Yorkie crosses "splitters", "F1, F2". They are not 100% Biewer. The mixed litters are then sold as Yorkie if they are colored like Yorkies and others in the same litter that have Biewer markings are called Biewer. But they are mixed breeds.

The dogs they bought turned out not to be the best example of the breed. So, they RE-WROTE the original German standard to fit their dogs.

The original standard for the Biewer was written in Germany and remains the standard that reputable Biewer breeders strictly adhere to. It can be found at the International Biewer Club website in Germany: http://www.ach-l.de/home2.Internatio...ier%20Club.htm There are two pages in English, the rest can be translated using Alta Vista translator.

Most. if not all, pure bred Biewers are registered in Germany, and the registries show at least 3 generations, some have 5 generations as well as their championship titles if they have them and their eye, patella, etc. certifications.

The ACR (American Canine Registry) was started by one of the people who bought some of the substandard Biewer mixes so that she could find a way to register them. If you look on their "about us" page, it clearly says there is no board of directors, that it is family run. The other breeds were added IMO to make it appear more legitimate, but when I first saw it last year, it was only beginning with those dogs she bought from Germany. It is NOT an old registry, but made to look like a ligit registry.

I have heard of trouble with that Kennel before, but don't know the details. I can try to find out if you want. You are very correct to be suspicious. I think the "China connection" is baloney. Probably had an oops with Yorkie and Pekinese or maybe an intentional breeding with a nice story to promote a new "designer" breed.

This kind of deception and claims really hurts the breeds, both Yorkie and Biewer. No wonder so many Yorkie breeders are against the Biewer. OH, and a 100% Biewer is NOT a parti-colored yorkie. Biewers have a set pattern on their head, must be symetrical 3 colors, no color on legs or tail or chest. Parti's have colors appearing randomly.

Sorry this is so long. But education about the Biewer is a major goal of mine. Biewers are a beautiful breed as well as the Yorkshire Terrier and I love them both and insist they are a separate breed. Biewers are shown in rarities now, but eventually and hopefully they will be recognized as a separate breed by the FCI and AKC. But it will take eliminating misconceptions and deception. Again, sorry this is so long, but it got my attention....
Carolyn
Proud member of http://www.biewerbci.org and IBC of Germany

THANK YOU IT MAKES PERFECT SENCE. this breeder does use the term splitters, F1, F2 on her site and this is exactly what i thought was going on. Glad you knew a little about it

[DesertChildAZ]

Thanks for that history, Carolyn. Very helpful.

By the way, I happened to get a response from the ACR e-mail I sent yesterday (well after the correspondence turned sour with Nancy Anderson of Class Act yesterday). I'd attach their reply, but they cleverly have the following statement at the bottom of the e-mail:

"The information in this e-mail are entirely the views/opinions of the sender and do not necessarily represent the views or position of the American Canine Registry. The information contained within the e-mail is confidential and is intended solely for the addressee. This information may not be circulated without the written permission of American Canine Registry.
All Rights Reserved Copyright@2003"

So, instead of "circulating" it, I will summarize it:

Basically, the ACR rep claims that the Chinese Pekie was a breed introduced in Dec '96 and approved for registration at introduction. They claim it is a seventh generation cross of Pekignese/Yorkie developed in China.

She goes on to advise me that the woman from Class Act has already "forwarded" them the communication thread between the two of us yesterday. (Convenient, eh?)

Then she goes on to point out that AKC accepts 3rd generation crosses as purebred once there are enough to justify their efforts to start a breed. ACR, on the other hand, makes it possible for breeders to get started on the "ground floor". She also goes on to say that ACR is family-owned and operated (just like UKC, UKCI, APRI, CKC, ACA, and UABR. She says AKC is privately owned, but operated by a BOD and that maybe, one day, the other registries will get big enough to need a board instead of being able to offer a "personal touch" to their breeders.

I replied to their e-mail by suggesting that if the breed is 10 years old and a 7th generation cross, then they should have a photo of an adult on file that they can send me. Not to mention that I should be able to find at least ONE photo of a Chinese Pekie on the whole entire WWW, but instead I find nothing. No response from them as of yet

[scrapindee]

Carolyn,

You did a great job explaining this. I think this is information that needs to be out there. When are you writing your book, I think you write so well--I know I'd buy at least 3 copies for friends--besides one for me.

[calaryn yorkies]

Thanks Dee, hope it doesn't backfire on me....

How are those painted babies doing? My current Yorkie litter were so fat when born I was stunned. Instead of having Mom on puppy food maybe I should have given her salads! LOL....kidding of course. Stay in touch.
Puppy Hugs,
Carolyn

[DesertChildAZ]

I am such an internet sleuth. I just discovered a webpage where Ms. Nancy Anderson (of Texarkana, AR) ("our" Nancy Anderson) is selling her pups under the member name "Puppy Fever", which is a kennel name that appears on the ACR site as "Reserved for ACR"....proof to me that Ms. Nancy Anderson's "family" is running the ACR she proclaims as her breed registry organization.

Unfortunately, I can only find it under google in cache, so I can't link it here. I can lead you to it though:

Go to google and enter the following into the search box exactly as it appears here:

breeder "Nancy Anderson" Texarkana

The listing is titled as "Jim Beam" and is result #12. If you click on "cache" you will see her ad. Note her member name is "Puppy Fever". If you're not sure that this Nancy Anderson is the same Nancy Anderson, then click on the link at bottom to view her other items for sale and you will see a picture of the Chinese Pekie that I inquired on ("Princess").

Also, if you go here, she has another Chinese Pekie listed and where it says "seller", it identifies her name and vendor name as "Puppy Fever", which is a reserved kennel name for ACR. They are one in the same.

She also uses the e-mail address skamakawa_kennel@yahoo.com on another website (where she uses the ID name "pooperscooper"). Look on the ACR page. Another one of the kennel names is "Skamakowa". (See her user info here: http://www.katewerk.com/users.html) . Notice that she lists her website at http://www.pup4u.com on that website. Strange since that website used to be owned by Cedarcrest Kennels (out of MO, under the name of owner Marilyn Shepard - a known puppymill). Go to google and enter "Cedarcrest Kennels" or "Cedar Crest Kennels" and you will find a number of pages showing US Agriculture violations and recognition as a puppy mill. However, I can't figure out how Marilyn and Nancy are connected. I'm only connecting them by Nancy's reference to Marilyn's website as her own.

If you look again at the page where she identifies herself as "Puppy Fever" and click on her "view other items for sale by this seller", you will see pics of all her puppies. Notice how the photos are stamped with the name "Run-in-Ridge" and others are "Class Act Kennel"? Well, guess what? "Run-in-Ridge" is YET ANOTHER kennel listed on the ACR site. I bet every kennel named on the ACR site belongs to Ms. Nancy Anderson. (There is a reference here: http://store.domesticsale.com/items/109338.html to her website as "http://www.runningridgeratterriers.com/". You guessed it! "Running Ridge" is another kennel name at ACR. So we have all of the following listed as her kennels:

Class Act Kennel
Puppy Fever Kennel
Run-in-Ridge Kennel
Running Ridge Kennel
Skamokawa Kennel


What a twisted web of deceit.

[Amber_lv]

I agree with you i am totally convinced she is the acr as well it's really sad if she is tied to the puppy mill wich would be another explanation of why she wouldn't show you a pic of the parents. Also why would she sent your emails to the ACR? If i was a breeder and had someone contact me and ask questions i wouldn't contact AKC to tell them that? makes no sense so it is obviously the same person.

[calaryn yorkies]

"YOU CAN RUN, BUT YOU CAN'T HIDE" Not with the internet sleuths on the job!

Wish there was a way to shut this kind of PUPPY PIMPING DOOOOWWWWNNN!

Our TV station is out of Seattle, WA and there was a piece a while back about the Cedar watcha call it puppy mill. It said Pensylvannia is the worst state in the country for puppy mills and the laws may be changed to deal with the problem. Hope so.

Perhaps a good media alert on this would help for an investigative expose news piece for those areas?

Nice Work! I wonder how much more there is to know.
Carolyn

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by DesertChildAZ

By the way, in a follow-up e-mail, she claims to have been the first person to bring over the Biewers from Germany. Wow! You'd think if she was the first that she would have a well established "kennel"...as it is, she can't even produce a picture of this new breed. To quote her: "it was ME who got them recognized in the United States and brought the first ones over just as it is ME who now has found the Pekies and am doing them"

She's also threatening to sue me for posting about her here or anywhere on the internet and that there is a new law this year that protects her from "idiots" like me. Anyone else aware of a US law that protects one individual from another individual's constitutional right to Free Speech? If there were such a law, wouldn't that be - I don't know - UNCONSITUTIONAL???

Don't know about any such new law. But, there is one on fraud and false advertisement.

The only thing I can tell you is be careful, make sure when you post that it's factual and can be proven.....she can sue on slander.

[yorkieK9trainer]

PEKINGESE ORINGINATED FROM CHINA.

So I'm thinking she's just calling her Pekingese, Chinese Pekingese because it sounds catchier maybe.
When's the last time you heard of an Akita being referred to as the Japanese Akita? Why bother throwing on where they're from when, if anyone is truely interested in the breed, they would already know. Some breeds, like the German Shepherd for example have their place of origin in the name, American Bulldog; Boston Terrier and so on. The Pekingese when registered didn't have the "Chinese" added in, although again that's where they originated.

So, no. I don't think she's selling a mixed breed, rather a purebred that simply has the place of origin attached to it when she refers to her dogs.

[yorkieK9trainer]

Okay, after reading her site a little further, I've concluded that I was wrong and she's just an idiot.

[DesertChildAZ]

Exposed!

[HarleyKincaid]

Originally Posted by yorkieK9trainer

Okay, after reading her site a little further, I've concluded that I was wrong and she's just an idiot.

Tammy

[Nikki+2]

Originally Posted by DesertChildAZ

She's also threatening to sue me for posting about her here or anywhere on the internet and that there is a new law this year that protects her from "idiots" like me.

Hmmm, well at least you can tell she's professional- don't you always find that knowledgable, respected breeders resort to name
calling? If she wants to breed a mix, that is certainly her perogative but I feel sorry for her unsuspecting buyers who are paying that kind of money and are walking around thinking they have a "rare" breed. It's funny that she keeps saying she wont share pictures of the parents because they are shaved down. If that is true, perhaps she should consider investing some time into grooming or just breed dogs that don't require as much grooming. She has made it obvious that she thinks the parents are ugly shaved down.