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01-04-2016, 08:17 AM | #1 |
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| New Netflix Docuseries: Making a Murderer Have you watched it yet? Do you plan to watch? Just curious on your thoughts about it.
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01-04-2016, 08:32 AM | #2 |
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| I head Kelly Rippa talking about it this morning, so I was thinking about checking it out, sounds intense and must stir up emotions, have you watched it, if so what do you think, is it worth watching? I am so desperate for a new series to watch with my husband, we have Netflix. I was hoping to watch homeland but Netflix does not have it. we have watched House of Card, Sons of A, Breaking Bad, did not like Orange is the new black, so any suggestions are welcome
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01-04-2016, 08:46 AM | #3 | |
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01-04-2016, 12:12 PM | #4 |
YT 2000 Club Donating Member | Only watched so far 2 episodes and as someone mentioned it moves fairly slowly. But it is getting a lot of buzz change org .com has over 120,000 signatures urging reform change. It is certainly from the overwhelming number of interviews with law officers that at the very minimum the investigation was fraught with inadequacies. And if true that the second charge of two years later was to impede a civil lawsuit that is quite simply despicable. Good Lord!! Where are the checkpoints. Also the settlement intial offer for the wrongfull conviction of $24K I think it was - well was just ludricrous
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01-04-2016, 01:50 PM | #5 | |
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01-05-2016, 06:11 PM | #6 |
YT 2000 Club Donating Member | I have finished watching it. Oh just Wow. In terms of the second murder charge and the young boy I am not so sure of either ones *innocence*. What I am pretty sure of is that the prosecution did not convince me of their guilt beyond a reasonable doubtl. Most troubling was the birds eye view of our justice system. Very Very Scarey. Supreme courts denying review of the case*s) with apparently no justification offered. What would happen to me if I was an accused innocent of the crime.? This documentary is an indictement of our justice system for sure. Now I am sure with this documentary there was a selective presentation of the facts. But the facts shown were pretty well overwhelming. Unless we have a personal relationship with the law and trials we kind of hope and believe that our justice system is well *just*.
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01-06-2016, 07:54 AM | #7 |
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| I watched and I agree am not 100% sold that the prosecution sold me on the whole guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. I don't see how the story aligns with the nephew and with Steven Avery. There was so much confusion and given that there was little to no evidence to match the story how could these people get convicted? I think there's certainly some gaps in our justice system based on class, race, LGBT status etc. and you see a little bit of that here. I don't think either Brendan or Steven were smart enough to pull off such an elaborate cleaning of murder scene either. They had IQs in the 60-70 range.
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01-06-2016, 08:29 AM | #8 |
YT 2000 Club Donating Member | I want to look at for a moment just Brendan. Having worked with the developmentally challenged I do know how vulnerable and susceptible they are to persons in authority. Also many folks just want to please or give the answer that they think you want. That taped interview was appalling. The system removed his original lawyer because he allowed his client to be interviewed by police without legal representation.... How then was the *confession* allowed into evidence???? The apparent working of the defense team with the prosecution is not only puzzling but troubling and more troubling all this came out and yet a mistrial was not allowed? At the minimum the law should require all persons identified with diminshed capacity be provided with an advocate. Having said all the above - to me there was something I believe that Brendan was hiding and or ashamed about. What it exactly was I don't know. THere is the fact of losing 40lbs after the victim was found. That is a lot of weight to lose. In later interviews there was just something off or that I found inconsistent.... Where was the proof that the bones were actually burnt in and on their property. Was the burn areas capable of producing heat hot enough to create the degree of charring found on the bones? I might of missed this but where was the testimony that a) asserted all the bones found were human b) sexed to female c) and congruent or consistent with only one female body? d) and then consistent with the skeletal structure of the victim? I also found it interesting that Brendan when pressed for what he saw in the fire - he replied toes! It is extremely difficult to identify toes unattached to a foot for the layperson who has never ever seen a skeleton. In otherwords without a refernce point ie toes attached to say the foot - why did he select toes? And then we get to the DNA testing on the one tibia bone. The control sample was contaminated. What is the impact of a contaminated sample? Why was the testing done which was going to eliminate once done the ability of the defense to do their own DNA testing without an expert from the defense present during that testing? That would seem to be an item of procedure that should be required by the prosecution to follow. Overall though is our law supposed to get to the *truth* of the matter? Or is the juggernaut of the system we have created once activated is incentivized to proceed blindly down this person is guilty without a doubt because we have charged them with this crime? Where are the checks and balances for our justice system? Why do we need such a thing like the *Innocence Project*? How many folks are imprisoned for crimes they did not committ? Disturbing thought to say the least. In Brendans' and Stevens case if they are innocent then there is some presumably male out there who has gotten away with murder!
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01-06-2016, 08:48 AM | #9 |
YT 2000 Club Donating Member | RAchel my only experience in a courtroom was when I was a witness for the prosecution for a major theft from the company I worked for. I went to the courtroom at the time I was told to arrive and my case was not coming up right away. So I decided to watch the trials that were being prosecuted that day. After seeing two trials which took about 30 minutes for minor theft, it became clear to me that the defense lawyers approach was to create doubt that the article stolen was the actual property of the vendor/store/owner. And then something interesting happened the defense lawyer turned to look at the visitors observing the proceedings and ask the judge to clear the courtroom! To this day I don't know why he did this but I have my suspicions. Did he suspect that a witness for his grand theft case was in the courtroom? That one is my best guess. I was the first witness for the prosecution and my testimony was very short clear and to the point. I categorically indentified through specific markings on the product that this was indeed owned by my company. Two things happened after my testimony the defense approached the judge with the DA they had a conversation, the trial was adjourned; exiting from the witness box an observer stopped me and said you made an excellent witness!! Whoohoo score one for the good guys. I must admit to a few qualms as I did not know who exactly was charged - was it Mafia or organized crime lords - would they go after me? You see what was stolen from us was over $100K worth of finished goods. I was at that time the manager of the finished goods warehouse.
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01-06-2016, 08:53 AM | #10 |
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| This article talks about the evidence not shown in court. Is Steven Avery Guilty? Evidence 'Making a Murderer' Didn't Present Even still, it doesn't excuse the misconduct by authorities and at the very least they should be granted new trials.
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01-06-2016, 09:07 AM | #11 |
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01-06-2016, 10:08 AM | #12 |
YT 2000 Club Donating Member | In England's justice system I believe they have a verdict called *not proven*. I think that this is a great choice on dubious cases. It also is somewhat indicative that the crown prosecutor did not do their job fully and completely.
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