I am 24 and didn't know who over half the people were that I saw on some of the NYE specials... sooo it's not just you... LOL... I'm not a prude at all, sexuality, profanity, etc doesn't bother me, it's more the quality of the music and the performances... so many "artists" of today just plain suck! I love certain hip hop etc, my play lists go all over the place on my iPod, I can go from listening to Eminem, to Backstreet Boys, and Michael Buble to Elvis and Frank Sinatra.... I have an appreciation for almost all music (except head banging rock stuff, LOL) but anyway, yeah most music of today kind of sucks. It's almost always autotune or they're lip syncing.

And with MJ at least his crotch grabbing could be justified, he was so insanely talented and put on such a great show, I think it was just all part of the 'moment' lol.

:D My kids love MJ too (but not as much as me!) and when they were little they used to ask me what he was doing - they were FASCINATED by his crotch....:p

I didn't know what to say - so I told them he had Scabies....:eek: :D

LOL, Sally - I'm not even really sure what Scabies is!

But I just wonder what it is about some entertainers that makes them need, in some terribly strong kind of way, to reveal or touch/clutch onto their sexual or reproductive body parts when in the act of "entertaining" in song, dance or acting and what it is in their audience that enjoys seeing that. I think of what need is back of that and never can come up with a good answer and wonder where it will end, say in 10 years from now. Will out and out masterbation during performing be next? How many of us will be okay with that?

:D Well, it involves itching, 'burrowing mites' and (usually) 'the nether regions'....:eek: :p :D

Yikes! Sorry I mentioned it! :D

And here I thought ol' MJ was being too aggressively sexually suggestive to his young, impressionable, worldwide audience of starstruck kids while all that was happening was a dancer trying to scratch a bad itch on stage. ;)

For some reason, I didn't seem to mind it with Michael Jackson, it probably had something to do with the fact that I liked his music so very much.:thumbup:

Just my opinion but, I don't think there is a need to do it in most cases however it just draws attention and people watch. That means more music sold $$. Maybe the ones doing it now learned it helped M.J. sell his music?? Who knows??

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So it's not what most of them say it is at all - artistic expression - just a "grab"(sorry!:D) for still more attention and money? Do they need still more attention and money that badly? And when grabbing is not enough to stir the pot with TV audiences, don't you wonder what is next in order to help sell their music? Or will we one day be watching more and more aggressively suggestive behavior and where will we, as the American audience, draw the line in the name of artistic expression, drawing more attention or selling music?

I wish I knew how to highlight the sentence i wish to quote. The last sentence in the first paragraph - did you see Miley Cyrus "dancing" with Robin Thicke to the song Blurred Lines? If that wasn't vulgar then I do not know what is. Even the audience looked shocked. Have you read the lyrics to that song. Filthy.

Does Miley Cyrus EVER do anything that isn't vulgar?!!? :(

I well remember that and don't know if we discussed it here but many of us did on Twitter. Sad how badly they need to do what they do, whatever the reason. Whatever happened to just vocalizing/emoting a song, maybe with great dancing ability, without overt sexualization of it? Do entertainers ever think their audience might have their own imagination, abilities to experience?

Yea, we're really old! ;)

I think the main difference is that MJ was actually talented.

I feel sooooooo much better, knowing I was not the only one that found crotch grabbing repulsive and the lyrics of some of the songs these people are spitting out, are so nasty and degredating to women.....and women think being humiliated and defiled and physically as well as emotionally abused, is sexy and makes them desirable!

I used to work with this sweet, quiet, Christian lady....her son, 20-something, is one of those people that works the "music" at wild parties, working those computer generated musical sound makers, using his hands to twist records back and forth on turn tables.....and he made a CD of his "music" to use as advertising his "skills".....like that PitBull guy.....anyway, she was sooooo proud of her son, he routinely gets gigs in Las Vegas, she brought my son one of her sons CDs....she was passing them out proudly to everyone.....

I brought that home to give to Jimmy.....he came from his room and asked me, "Mom, have YOU listened to this CD? This is horrible! They are saying stuff I dont know what it is". I should have listened to it first, but I figured coming from a strict Christian home, and his momma passing it out all over the hospital, all over her church, to everyone she knows, I ASS-U-ME'd it was acceptable......WRONG!! No socially redeeming value at all.....horrible, disgusting, vulger, filthy verses, words and sex acts I had never heard of, let alone my autistic son!!! I went to my co worker and asked her if she listened to her son's CD before she passed it out all over her church and work/co-workers....obviously she had not!! Sooooooooo embarrassed when she did listen to it!

LOL, too funny! it use to be called "grinding" but not they call it "twirking" which in my younger days did the same thing but only to my husband and not to the extent of what you see today. It just way too nasty now a days.

Being old had nothing to do with it Judy it is more about having class which a lot of the musicians today lack considerably. In todays music scene a lot of the artist just take things too far with their rubbing and booty shaking and they just don't understand what kind of impact they have on our youth. It's Saddening!! Thank god my kids are not so impressed with it and I don't have to worry about them picking up any of their dance moved from the raunchy rap artist of today. :thumbdown :thumbdown :thumbdown

There is this saying you here in these part "Let Ass More Class" . . :D

Prime Example: Milly Cyrus on MTV

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSzGtZ8BRpM