Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1 (Post 4497597)

I am sorry....I was the infection control nurse for the last 5 years at the hospital I worked at....I doubt very seriously there is ANYTHING you can tell me about infections, how they are spread, or infection control management! I may "be wrong again" though...what exactly did you say YOUR qualifications are? Do you actually think for one minute that you can prevent the spread of ebola from an infected person, by simply covering your sneeze with a tissue????????? "Managed without a mask"???????????? Surely to goodness, you do not think a "germ" is THAT easily contained!!!!!!!!!!! That is the problem with the public....they do not know how easily contaminated droplets are spread and picked up. Ask Nina, the nurse that is positive for ebola, about germs and how they cover everything and spread so easily...she was covered head to toe, with a small section of her NECK exposed....and she was trained to deal with contamination and isolation and she got it!!!! And that doctor that got infected....they said he was the most cautious and careful and meticulously clean practice around this disease, and HE got it!!! You think covering your mouth with a tissue is the solution???? Please, dont kid yourself....if a tissue could prevent the spread of this disease, my God, you have solved the crisis surrounding the initial spread of ebola, single handedly!

Originally Posted by chachi (Post 4497601)

Using a tissue doesnt stop some of the fluids from a sneeze from maybe getting on your hand and then you touching something infected it with ebola since ebola can be present on innate objects too. Is the tissue going to be put in a contamination waste recepticle. Plus Im not totally certain this may not already be airborne they are saying it could mutate and become so. It doesnt make sense to me these nurses were in total protective gear and still got it

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1 (Post 4497606)

And explane how in the world Duncan's relatives lived in that filthy, contaminated apartment, with bloody vomit and diarrhea all through that apartment, on bedding, in the carpet, etc....and NONE of them have gotten it!!! But the nurses taking care of him, with PPE covering them head to toe, with all the chemicals they wash their hands with as they leave the ante room where they remove all the PPE, THEY come down with it!!! There is so much we do not know about this.....this is scary......

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4497720)

I was referring to markfromsea not you that's why I quoted him not you. I don't think we are nessisarily being told everything and we didn't watch those people to make sure they didn't make a slight mistake. I do know I see lots of sick people out who cough with out cover there mouth and sneeze without cover there nose.

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1 (Post 4497597)

I am sorry....I was the infection control nurse for the last 5 years at the hospital I worked at....I doubt very seriously there is ANYTHING you can tell me about infections, how they are spread, or infection control management! I may "be wrong again" though...what exactly did you say YOUR qualifications are? Do you actually think for one minute that you can prevent the spread of ebola from an infected person, by simply covering your sneeze with a tissue????????? "Managed without a mask"???????????? Surely to goodness, you do not think a "germ" is THAT easily contained!!!!!!!!!!! That is the problem with the public....they do not know how easily contaminated droplets are spread and picked up. Ask Nina, the nurse that is positive for ebola, about germs and how they cover everything and spread so easily...she was covered head to toe, with a small section of her NECK exposed....and she was trained to deal with contamination and isolation and she got it!!!! And that doctor that got infected....they said he was the most cautious and careful and meticulously clean practice around this disease, and HE got it!!! You think covering your mouth with a tissue is the solution???? Please, dont kid yourself....if a tissue could prevent the spread of this disease, my God, you have solved the crisis surrounding the initial spread of ebola, single handedly!

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 4497886)

I think people are acting out of hysteria, in general, regarding ebola. The whole thing that is happening on the Belize cruise ship is actually just ridiculous to me.

I actually feel the CDC is doing a great job -- we have to remember that they have NO legal authority to do ANYthing w/ regards to hospital protocol. NONE. They can give all the recommendations in the world, but their recommendations have no legal recourse or authority. They've given out very accurate information - it's the media and uninformed people who've caused a lot of misinformation, imo. The main mistake that I think they made was approving the 2nd nurse for that plane ride -- even though technically they *were* still within protocol to approve it (the fever was not at threshold).

Originally Posted by Cherie6446 (Post 4497921)

Some Ebola victims never get a fever! Fever is not a determining factor.

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4497937)

I would like to know what's being done with the people who are saying they have it and went to Africa and haven't. They are costing the government/ tax payers a lot of money.

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4497935)

Do you have any links with information on this?

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1 (Post 4497674)

I am not believing hardly anything anyone says to me. I have posted a little information below, from "International SOS" , as well as information garnered from WHO, CDC (HA!), etc. I have contacted DuPont regarding the effectiveness of Virkon on ebola virus....will post that when I hear from them. I know ( ??...as best as anyone can know that does not manufacture a specific chemical themselves!!!) that chlorine kills the virus....I use a chlorine spray in my kennel on a weekly basis, spraying everything down, crates, walls floors, etc to protect against all the diseases we know can affect dogs....parvo distemper, etc, along with daily cleanings with Virkon. I am not sure the concentration of the chlorine spray I use, is the same as what they are spraying everyone down with before they remove PPE when they come out of the wards caring for the dying ebola patients. When I hear from both of these companies that make these sprays, I will post what I am told.
After reading the article pasted below, I think I will purchase some form of a hand sanitizer to use in public....
Someone had asked about cotton gloves as protection....NO, wont work! Cotton will simply absorb the infecting material.... There are some Latex gloves that do not keep certain bacteria/viruses from permeating the gloves....you have to be sure the latex gloves you are using are approved for specific protection in isolation carts and contact situations.

"According to "International SOS".....
Is the virus killed by commercial hand sanitisers?
The US CDC advises that waterless alcohol-based hand rub can be used if soap is not available*. The World Health Organization also advises travellers to use hand sanitizer (but to wash if hands are visibly dirty). Ebola is killed by a range of disinfectant agents including sodium hypochlorite, lipid solvents, phenolic disinfectants, peracetic acid, methyl alcohol, ether, sodium deoxycholate, 2% glutaraldehyde, 0.25% Triton X-100, β-propiolactone, 3% acetic acid (pH 2.5), formaldehyde and paraformaldehyde, and detergents such as sodium dodecyl sulphate (SDS).
Companies may wish to compare the ingredients of commercial cleaning preparations available to them against this list of known effective agents.

*CDC Interim Guidance about Ebola Virus Infection
A Research Fellow at the Noguchi Memorial Institute for Medical Research, Dr Kofi Bonney, has cautioned the public to be wary of the types of hand sanitizers they buy from the market as part of precautionary measures to prevent an outbreak of the deadly Ebola virus.

According to him, hand sanitizers come in two forms; one meant to kill only bacteria and another meant to kill all forms of germs including bacteria, viruses, fungi and protozoa.

Following the outbreak of the Ebola virus in West Africa, there has been a marked upsurge in the use of hand sanitizers for disinfecting the hands for fear of people coming into contact with the virus.

However, at a sensitization forum on Ebola organised by the Graphic Communications Group Limited, Dr Bonney noted that there was a need for the public to carefully read the labels of the sanitizers before buying them.

“Take your time to read what the sanitizers can do. Read the instructions and what they contain because the sanitizer meant for bacteria can only kill bacteria,” he advised.

Checks at the Food and Drugs Authority (FDA) have shown that only 11 hand sanitizers on the market are recognised by the authority.

The brands of hand sanitizers that had valid registration with the FDA as of beginning of August 2014 were Sanigel, Clean Touch, Dial Hand, Samocid, Forever Hand, Steri-7, Carex, Fruiser, Purell, Bremed and High Baby. "

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1 (Post 4497679)

I wanted to add the below information I found.....seems this would be a much better solution that hand sanitizers.....it is what we use in the hospital to wash our hands with....
"Does CHG (Chlorhexidine Gluconate Solution) Kill Ebola Virus?
Yes. This is a hospital-grade soap, which doctors use before performing surgeries. Studies have shown that it is effective at killing all types of bacteria & viruses, including enveloped viruses such as Ebola. This is probably your best bet for hand washing, as it is stronger than regular soap, but not as harsh on skin as bleach. The CHG 4.0% solution is present in a product called Hibiclens. This liquid soap can be purchased online or at most CVS drugstores. As an added bonus, it is also effective at killing MERSA, and quickly heals wounds that MERSA has infected.
Hibiclens Hand Wipes are the perfect replacement for basic hand sanitizer, which is ineffectual against ebola. The Hibiclens Wipes combine 70% Isopropyl Alcohol for immediate bacterial kill, plus a 0.5% CHG solution. This allows for persistent antimicrobial protection that leaves a residual CHG solution on skin – which provides killing action for up to 6 hours.

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 4497944)

Hopefully they'll be charged with some kind of disorderly conduct or whatnot and be FINED big time. I can't imagine charges not being brought on this one. It's like those people who fake their own kidnappings - they face criminal charges and restitution.

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1 (Post 4497606)

And explane how in the world Duncan's relatives lived in that filthy, contaminated apartment, with bloody vomit and diarrhea all through that apartment, on bedding, in the carpet, etc....and NONE of them have gotten it!!! But the nurses taking care of him, with PPE covering them head to toe, with all the chemicals they wash their hands with as they leave the ante room where they remove all the PPE, THEY come down with it!!! There is so much we do not know about this.....this is scary......

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1 (Post 4498320)

But the doctor and other health care worker were covered completely, additionally getting sprayed off head to foot with a chlorine solution....and yet, they got it. My concern and question remains about the conditions the family that was in extensive contact with the patient when he was clearly critically ill and had a huge virus load going on, and staff that was NOT in such unprotected direct contact and yet they got it..... I am now involved with a couple of nursing advocacy groups that are doing various activities to proove that it was the hospital that was grossly negligent and did not provide the correct isolation equipment for the staff....they started out with nothing but standard isolation gowns and masks and shoe covers....not to mention they and many, many other hospital staff were all around that patient as he remained in an open ER room, then moved into an "isolation room" in the ER.....which is nothing more than a cubicle with a sliding glass door, as opposed to just a curtain that is drawn around the patient. All the lies that have been told about being prepared and nurses having been trained to work with ebola patients specifically, are of course, all lies. The staff from all over the hospital, from lab, to xray, to housekeeping, to ER nurses and doctors....and oh yes, other patients, is absolutely unforgivable and unacceptable. I think it was even you that reminded me that you suppossed that patient had exposed other patients while in the ER....and, OMG, after talking with some of the people I have been talking with, it was soooooooo much worse than just that....I just can not believe how ridiculous and totally unprepared all this was ...not only on the first arrival at the hospital, but when he was brought in the second time, clearly in the throes of a hemmorhagic disease....and they blame the nurses for "a break in protocol"....protocol that in reality did not even exist! You are correct....nurses were sent into a lions den, with nothing but paper gowns and a partial face mask and gloves (gloves that may not even be impermeable to ebola virus)....This whole process, if not such a tragic event, would be like a comedy of errors......except people die when hospitals and government health care entities lie about measures they allegedly have in place "to protect us".....NO ONE was protected.

Originally Posted by megansmomma (Post 4498513)

How about a single use Ebola Protection kit. What a deal $20! These are all items that are readily available in every hospital and have nothing to do with protection from Ebola. The white single use suit is commonly called a "Bunny Suit" and is worn to protect usually outside workers that are going into areas in the hospital where street clothes are not allowed. For example into the OR when maintenance needs to be done on equipment. It's just outrageous people are fear mongering and profiting from they media hysteria that is being created for "news".
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