How we has this idiot:
Alleged Ebola Faker Throws Scare into Christ Hospital

A woman who claimed she had traveled to Africa arrived at Advocate Christ Medical Center’s emergency room claiming to have Ebola-like symptoms turned out to be an Ebola faker.

On Sunday afternoon when Oak Lawn first responders were dealing with the massive traffic accident at 95th Street and Cicero Avenue, a woman went to Advocate Christ’s emergency room around 5 p.m. seeking treatment for diarrhea, vomiting and fever.

“This patient self-reported having recently traveled to Africa. Out of an abundance of caution, we notified the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the Cook County Department of Public Health and the Illinois Department of Public Health,” hospital spokeswoman Katie Eller said.

Oak Lawn Village Manager Larry Deetjen said that Advocate Christ notified village officials early Monday morning about a patient with a possible Ebola infection.

“She walked in and ‘self-reported that she had been traveling to Africa and she had symptoms of Ebola and had traveled during the incubation period,” Deetjen said. “The hospital wisely on Sunday evening per their protocol assembled all appropriate staff at the hospital.”

The patient claimed she had been traveling in Senegal. An Ebola epidemic is currently affecting many countries in West Africa. Health experts estimate the incubation period to be anywhere from two to 21 days after exposure to the Ebola virus.

Deetjen said the village worked quietly throughout the day Monday with Advocate Christ, making calls to the Center for Disease Control, the Cook County Department of Public Health and the Illinois Department of Public Health.

“We met with our own staff from a public safety and health perspective,” Deetjen said. “We had excellent communication with the county and Cook County Commissioner [John] Daley. “The hospital brought their team into village hall late afternoon and informed us that they were confident there was no evidence that [the patient] had been to Africa.”

The patient is currently being treated for her flu-like symptoms.

“We will continue to take all necessary precautions and work with the appropriate state and federal officials, as well as the Village of Oak Lawn as the circumstances dictate,” Eller said.

Oak Lawn Mayor Sandra Bury said the village held several meetings throughout the day on Monday.

“Our biggest concern was the safety of residents and people coming into Oak Lawn,” Bury said. “Our first responder staff is constantly in that ER.”

Bury added that Advocate Christ staff and county agencies were highly responsive to anything needed in the village “up to the highest level.”

“I can’t say enough good things about Advocate Christ,” the mayor added. “The decision makers for the hospital were all engaged. They came to village hall and we asked questions. We wanted to make sure things were safe. Everyone worked together beautifully.”

According to the mayor, Oak Lawn Emergency Management Agency has protocol in place to handle every type of disaster.

“I’m so grateful that the patient is not in that serious of a condition,” Bury said. “It’s nothing we have to deal with now, but that’s not to say it couldn’t happen in the future.”

Again, Linda, I am certain you, me and all the others on YT are none of us is truly qualified to use our original thoughts to comment on the infectious/contagious properties or behavior of this virus in any way as we none of us have any direct knowledge of it. So we each choose to parrot the sources' words and terms we prefer and that's fine but how you would question whether my words are my original thoughts on the Ebola virus' behavior is still puzzling. We all echo/reflect terms we've heard or read about things we've never had personal experience with - even you - yet I've never questioned whether your thoughts on Ebola were "original" - I know better, links or not. Only time will tell which sources we've all chosen to use are right or wrong about it.

So many keep questioning why the PPE's are used, here is some more parroting of other's expertise on them. Various experts say the PPE's are critical for healthcare workers handling sick patients and those who immediately clean up fresh, moist/warm waste after the them, to prevent the virus getting into the staff's bodies.

Other uses of PPE's by Ebola cleaning crews cleaning transport vehicles, wards, homes long after patients were removed from them - would be twofold - first to save those people from the unlikely chance that a glob of infected, congealed blood, stool or vomit, etc., had managed to stay warm and/or moist in some crevice or area of moisture or warmth and had somehow managed to retain enough of a still-living viral load sufficient to infect. Then some direct unprotected touch, cleaning tool or spray dislodged it onto a nearby cleaner's exposed mucous membranes or cut skin before the disinfectant solution and fogger had time to kill it. So they wear PPE's for the rarest of exceptions. According to WHO(link posted above), even in a West African Ebola center where doctors tested 33 surfaces , no virus or even its DNA remained on any of the surfaces other than a doctor's bloody surgical gloves and a bloody site where a surgical needle had been inserted.

The second reason PPE's are used is purely legal so there is no question about every possible safety measure being taken to protect the crew - but also to legally protect the employer, the CDC, the city, a hospital who didn't properly diagnose, etc., should one of the crew possibly contract Ebola from some other direct contact in the community he's unaware of, forgets about or just fails to mention. With all workers in full CDC-approved, fully operational PPE's with appropriate suit-up/suit-off precautions taken, it can't be proved with any legal certainty that he got Ebola from cleaning up after a sick patient or their waste due to lack of adequate infectious-disease protective measures.

Turns out the Spanish assistant nurse with Ebola who initially said she used all necessary precautions in dealing with her Ebola contacts, which caused many reporters to question whether this virus is even more infectious than previously thought, is reportedly now saying she might have touched her face after removing Ebola-contaminated gear. It's a deadly disease.

So we are cool with agreeing to disagree, right? I still love you silly, lady, and will always appreciate your kind thoughts and words during tough times, both on YT and personally. Your work with dogs and help on YT are invaluable to Yorkie-lovers.

R. I. P., Thomas Eric Duncan.

Just saw this too - so sad :(. His poor family.

Jeanie, this has nothing to do with you or me agreeing or disagreeing. I did not set out questioning you about whether your comments were your thoughts or someone else's thoughts/writings.

What I did, was comment about your stating that Ebola is a wimpy virus (outside of the body or whatever wording you used). YOU came back and said those were not your thoughts, but someone else's. Why you keep harping on this is beyond me. This is the LAST time I am going to explain it to you.

I have no ax to grind with you and totally don't get this. at. all. Your thoughts on this virus are indeed different than mine but so what? Many of us have differing opinions all of the time.

Personally, if I had read that Ebola was a wimpy virus, I would not post it in a way that people would think it was my thoughts if it indeed was someone else's....I would probably say something along the line of this: So and so said that Ebola is wimpy and I would have posted a link for reference. That comment really concerns me as I have stated over and over and over on this thread; because the response to this virus is not telling me that it is a wimpy virus. You can say what you want about why they are taking the precautions they are and I can say why I think they are. I am not here to act like an expert on this virus. I am posting my thoughts about it.

And, as for your first sentence....if I don't have the knowledge, I am not going to comment (usually). I see a lot of it on YT...people googling and parroting what they read and often it is incorrect. I did do it once on this thread and was corrected and assumed responsibility for it. Nope...I am not an expert in this virus and am only voicing my observations.

Yes it is very sad. :(

Guess I was the only Ebola non-expert on YT whose obviously non-original, parroted comments you questioned, later misquoted and decided to make an issue of - so be it. At least the discussion draws attention to the experts' varying opinions on its contagious qualities as none of us are actually capable of opining from any direct knowledge.

Wow.......so the bottom line is that I should have read your comments and never commented. :rolleyes:

I questioned Ann so clearly YOU were not the ONLY ONE.

As I said previously, I am done. I really should not even be posting THIS. But, I don't care much for your insinuations at all.

I agree that not enough attention is being paid to that one.

Very sad. RIP Thomas Duncan.

Relative to quotes/links/attribution in posting on this topic, I interpreted Linda's post as simply saying it is confusing who is saying what -- kind of like in the lengthy spay/neuter pro and con thread. I believe we are all genuinely interested in both topics and it is confusing in some posts what is a news report or other source, and what is a comment from a YT member.

But you accepted others' words on the virus' contagious properties without questioning whether their words and opinions were original to them, yet knowing they couldn't have been, as none of us are experts.

I think this entire back and forth debate just needs to be dropped. Everyone has an opinion on what is happening because of all of the idea that it is now spread outside of West Africa. But that was bound to happen. Thankfully, we (very general) live in conditions that are not third world with controls in place that put there for a reason. In the US we have the CDC and the government in charge when it comes to outbreaks of contagious diseases. There is none of this control where the virus is widely spread.

We each of us have all vigorously debated and defended our positions back and forth on various threads, including you, for the years I've been a member. Have you taken this position of recommending dropping the back and forth when you were in the midst of a such a debate? If you have, I apologize for taking issue with and defer to you for showing such restraint and strength of character. If you haven't, how is this any different from when you were in the throes of debating? I understood the forum allowed each person the freedom to fully express his/her thoughts as long as they follow the rules of the forum and stay on the subject of the thread.

Still, the poor man is dead and it really is time to begin to think about other things. It's going to be a sobering and anxious week as we all wait to see which other of his close contacts develop symptoms as direct contact is so dangerous. I sure pray those children, who kept hugging and kissing him, as his niece described it, or his partner/fiancee, who slept with and likely came into very close contact with him during his well and conversion to contagious periods, can somehow escape infection. Hopefully, if they do get sick, they will go to a different hospital under full measures of isolation all the way through the process and get the best of care.

I SWORE I would not respond again to this nonsense....but here you go.

DO SHOW ME WHERE I QUESTIONED YOU FROM THE START ABOUT WHETHER THE WORDS WERE YOURS OR OTHERS!!!!!!!!!

I feel like I am talking to a brick wall. You keep harping and I keep responding. I merely said that I don't think Ebola is wimpy as you had posted (and I don't care where it was...in or out of the body...still not wimpy in MY mind...I had NO idea they were not your thoughts because you said them as if they were).... and THEN when I commented, YOU SAID you were using another person's words. SO THEN I SAID IT IS HARD TO FIGURE OUT WHERE YOUR THOUGHTS ARE AND WHERE YOU ARE USING ANOTHER'S WORDS. PERIOD. Stop making false accusations....READ MY WORDS PLEASE. This is tiring Jeanie.

Am I yelling with these caps? Yes! Because clearly you have not noticed anything I have said here and it is very frustrating.

Am I upset now? No...just trying so hard to chisel through to get you to understand. BUT I PROMISE MYELF THIS IS THE END!!

I hope you can let this go and find some peace in your day. This is so not worth hassling over.

Here Jeanie is my FIRST comment to you about the word wimpy:

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/4494030-post91.html


And this is my last one! SMH

Crazy!! To put people through all of that...wonder if she has a mental health issue...

Smiling here - I feel the same, Linda. Your post #91 asked if I was sure, apparently that the virus was wimpy off its host and usually begins to die within 30 minutes. From there on, my echoing several medical experts' use of the wimpy describing the nature of the virus out in the environment seemed to disagree with your sensibilities and elicit several responses that misquoted, in an almost nitpicking way(now that IS my original thought - be it right or wrong), called my or medical experts' use of the term wimpy on its environmental survival into question or implied I was insinuating something. I tend to sit up and take notice during posts like that, just like you and we all do, when sort of repeatedly pricked!

One more time, my thoughts or opinions, just as yours or any YT member's, cannot be original to any of us on Ebola-virus cellular properties, but based on things we've individually learned second-hand, be they right or wrong. None of us has first-hand knowledge about this virus and so, no original opinions on the virus' behavior or durability at any stage of its life-cycle can possibly be attributed to us as original in concept.

There - I'm done, too.

Shall we shake hands and walk away? Here's mine. :thumbup:

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Awful! Spain announced it has killed the little dog of the Spanish assistant nurse, though everyone said it was not symptomatic!!! R.I.P, Excalibur!

I just didn't think this was a debate :confused: Aren't we all on the same page? Ebola=No good

Now they are monitoring another person that "came into contact" with the depatients apartment.....seems he went there to serve some kind of papers, entered the apartment without protective clothing at all, gave the papers he had to one of the family, and then left. He was going on the "presumption" by all these experts, that he was safe as long as he didnt touch anyone or anything, which he has said he did NOT.....boy, I bet that JUDGE and those other 4 people that went confidently trecking into that apartment, totally with no protection on, because they too had been "assured" they would be safe as long as they did not get into anything "contaminated by the patient", are now sweating little green apples, while they wait to see if this newest patient is indeed diagnosed with the disease! Smart aleck over confidence, while trying to squelch any fear about this virus in the general public, is really NOT the way to go here!

Not just one but 2 others that were all in that apartment according to the Police Union. They were interviewing him on CNN and the anchor asked about the Dallas County Sheriff office and he told her there are two others! They were all inside the apartment. He went to an Urgent Care (WTH?) not feeling well and they pretty much shut the place down. Ugh.....

My brother is a pilot...he was flying into DFW a day ago and an American pilot contacted the tower and told them they needed to have medical at the gate to meet them, they had a person on the flight that had been vomiting for almost 2 hours. Can you imagine what all those passengers were thinking on that flight? Now, another question I have for them....how come it takes 48 hours and the blood sent off to a special lab for testing to see if the patient has the virus IN SOME CASES, and in other cases, they draw blood and the "results" are determined within 10-15 minutes? That patient that came off the plaine was tested and the rest of the passengers were released within 30 minutes of landing....the vomiting lady was apparently suffering from a migraine headache. I just dont know.......

Maybe it depends on how long the patient has been symptomatic. I've heard that giving the Ebola test too early when the patient is newly sick and the viral load is still low won't always reveal it but that waiting up to 48 hours can find a higher amount of virus if it's there.

Dallas Sheriff's office Twitter account is saying CNN's story is not true about two other deputies, saying that one deputy's risk for flu high, for ebola low & he's being tested for flu by the hospital. Deputy's son said on local TV his dad woke up sore and with tummy ache, no headache, fever, N&V.

Now Jesse Jackson is involved ugh. Yes he should have been admitted when he first went to the hospital and the ball was dropped on that but I highly doubt they treated him any differently then they would have anyone else. Honestly he is lucky he didn't get sent back to his country. Why does something bigger ALWAYS have to be made out of something. He died from an illnesses over 3,000 have died from just being over here didn't automatically make it where we could keep him alive. Yes I feel very bad for him and his family but this whole we did something wrong and could have kept him alive thing ticks me off.

The implication is now that he was "neglected and not treated fairly, not treated like the other Americans, did not receive the vaccine/medicine the Americans did, and they want to know why." No one has told them there is NO more of the medication to give anyone....he did not receive the med because there is none available, and not because they just didnt want him to have any. And they did not give him that other med immediately because it has never been given/tested on humans....can you imagine if they would have risked giving him that drug immediately, and he would have died from it, they then would have been accused of genocide by this family. The GREAT news is, TEXAS A&M is brewing up gallons of the vaccine, waiting for all the red tape to be cut through and clearing the way for that initial vaccine to be given as needed. It had initially been said that the vaccine would not be made available until next year.....so this is great news.

Great news that the vaccine is being mass produced. I have serveral thoughts on the experimental drugs and working in pharmaceutical research I totally understand that there are parameters in which patients have to meet before recieving a treatment. Dallas patient 0 may not have met those parameters to recieve the drug at a given time point. There have been many balls dropped on the hospitals end, the governments and the patient as well.

I do think by having civil rights activists involved brings up a much bigger question that shouldn't be ignored. Think about it, so if 3000 people in a 3rd world country have died and we live in a global and traveling world its not impossible for it to make it to our borders and on American Soil. To be proactive would have been the better choice so we would be prepared here for such a scenario. Also why wouldn't we close our borders like other countries have, it must not have gotten to that point as of yet. Ebola got in front of us sometime around March of this year and the lives that its effecting are people with a darker skin tone but if it had been a European Country or America that the epidemic started with would we still say that 3000 people have died. I think not. There's a little racial component in there somewhere if we want to admit it or not. But that's not the point. The point is we have a health issue on our hands that can impact all of us and we have enough intelligent scientists and gurus to come up with some form of solution. Lives will be lost and arguments will be had. But we have to be aware, take the necessary precautions, pray to whatever higher entity you believe in and have compassion for others.

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Great post! :thumbup: Let me add, IMO all of the doctors and nurses that were working on Mr. Duncan must be devastated that he lost the battle with this horrible deadly virus. Unfortunately, there is still a HUGE learning curve in the treatment of Ebola.

Now this is the way to say it.....Excellent post, excellent excellent excellent....THANK YOU Rachelle!!


Regardless of stance/political/religious/etc....I don't always agree with Jesse Jackson or any other politician, person, relative...friend...but what I do admire is his tenacity and his advocacy, and I think his place in this instance was important and wish he had advocated for this gent sooner because his family and friends were not "really" able to. I don't necessarily even agree with everything he said concerning this because I wasn't there and I don't know all that went on. But his role here was/is important!


I also believe that because of the new procedures etc., that obviously mistakes were bound to happen, we all know that in an emergency all the preparedness in the world doesn't FULLY prepare us in the here and now moment, this is why drills in all settings are important. I do believe the initial mix up at the E.R. was certainly a vital delay in treatment/exposure etc....Complacency may not be the right term but when you work with as many people as medical personnel or even as I do daily, from all parts of the world, its easy to see how a miscommunication could have occurred. Its not an excuse but rather a human error reason.


I've seen this hysteria before when AIDS first was identified, SARS, SWINE FLU, MAD COW...ETC.ETC.... At this point all I know is that the man is dead, I don't believe this will be a mass epidemic and I do believe that it needs to be addressed quickly and right now so that not 1 single other person suffers, period. Until they perfect treatments and procedures I'm afraid there will be others. Keeping in mind that each of us are physiologically different and each of us hosts/battles diseases differently...its almost inevitable....just as with the common cold, the flu, cancer etc., etc., Optimistically, Ebola is much easier to eradicate right now then all of the diseases that cause so many of us to suffer because of each year.


RIP Mr. Duncan.

Opportunities missed and responsibility enough to go around to many people. I can't help but think that medical team did all they physically could to cure their patient. I heard a local reporter who talked to or personally knew one of the team - I can't remember which - who said they were all sad, dispirited and grieving over losing their patient. The hospital issued a statement today saying they consulted constantly with the Ebola experts at Emory University Hospital, where Brantly and Writebol were treated, as well as the CDC Ebola experts, for case-management guidance, gave the experimental medication the minute all the experts decided it should the time had come and get it delivered here, even though its safety in humans and effectiveness with Ebola is totally unknown. You know those Emory and CDC physicians they consulted with will be deposed in the malpractice suit discovery to verify that, though no doubt Presby's liability carrier will settle as early as possible.

Presby said Duncan didn't have a blood type that would allow him to get a transfusion from former-Ebola US patients able to donate blood, even though I think I heard on TV that Writebol, and I think Brantly also, offered. The other US former Ebola patient was sick himself so he was out as a donor.

I know his partner, Louise Troh, niece and 3 or 4 young kids and young men who were around him when he was contagious, are probably so scared and sad right now. Not only have they lost a family member, they've got to know, that even if they are 11 days out with no symptoms, the odds are not with them to avoid getting just as sick as he did as contagious as direct contact is during Duncan's contagion. Troh's niece(not sure which) has said her kids kept kissing and hugging him during the visit(s). I'll bet they regret having those kids around anyone directly from an epidemic-ridden land. Wonder why they didn't see the risk ahead of time?

Here we go again.....let's put blame on the people who were exposed. :( This was mentioned earlier in this thread.

This man was family to these people. Whether they were not aware or were in denial....who cares? It is what it is and we should all be praying for them that they will not contract this awful virus. I am not going to sit here and pass judgement on them as lovers, parents, family or whoever they were to Mr. Duncan.

I loved Rachel's post and her last line about being compassionate is really something people should think about.

My post below was in response to a post blaming them for exposing the children......
Maybe people think they wouldn't do something like that; but you know that saying about not judging until you have walked a mile.