You know this statement isn't even funny !!!

Poor old Duncan, I heard that he's too weak to talk on the phone today. At least he's got the best of care while so many other suffering Ebola patients back in West Africa aren't even getting any IV fluids, a clean, comfortable bed or nausea/diarrhea/pain medication. Many of them are lying dying on the ground alone outside overfull clinics if no one helps them go back home when they are turned away.

There are money-raising campaigns for countries hit with volcanoes, violent storms and other catastrophes and I wonder when some celebrities or sports stars will start to raise funds to help those poor people in West Africa. Time to donate.

Liberia has a ratio of 1 doctor for every 100,000 people and a $543 per capita income. They are the 4th poorest country in the world . Of course things are so out of control but not just with the 2,800 people that have died from Ebola. The country has Aids and TB killing more people there than any other disease. We living in the US are very sheltered from the reality of the rest of the world. As Americans we are very spoiled and so many complain instead of embracing all that we should be truly grateful for to live here.

Oooppps! Now there is a plane grounded in New Jersey, arrived from Brussels with a sick passenger on board....CDC is on the way to remove the passenger....wonder if they will make all the people on that plane remain in isolation, if this DOES turn out to be positive for the ebola virus, for 21 days until they can see if any of them have caught it. Praying this is just some person that has air sickness! Update on our patient....his condition has worsened and he is now critical.

Oh my gosh! That would just be awful if there was a symptomatic (aka contagious, in ebola's case) person on a FLIGHT. What a nightmare. I hope it's just the flu or something...

Amen, so grateful I was born right here in the USA. Doctors always say they wait for a critically ill person to start complaining as that tends to show they are getting better so I guess we are pretty well off as we complain loudly when anything isn't handled to perfection! Tends to keep us all on our toes - that's for sure.

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Looks like the person on the NJ plane does NOT have the virus and the rest of the passengers were released. Aaaah! But I am sure this will not be the last scare.

Thank GOD!!! What a horrific nightmare this is turning out to be......that poor cameraman is coming back Monday....(that entire team of journalists will be quarantined, and I think I heard they are looking at the necessity of these journalists all flooding over there, taking all the same pics, over and over....may be making changes in that protocol, which I feel would be advisable). ....think I heard he is going to.....Montana??? I think everyone else that is being watched or monitored closely has turned out not to be ebola so far....there is one patient that has malaria! Can you imagine??!! "OH thank God it is JUST malaria and not ebola!!!!!"

I heard on the local news that Thomas Eric Duncan has been intubated to aid his breathing, his condition having been downgraded to critical. I pray he can hold on and win his terrible battle with Ebola and that none of the innocent children he came into close contact with contract this awful disease and have to go through what he is going through now. I hate to see anyone critically ill but seeing a critically ill child fighting for its life just destroys me.

Correction: That journalist that is coming back on Monday with ebola, is going to Nebraska.

Golly, Dr. Rick Sacra, who beat Ebola, has now been hospitalized today in the Boston area with what his doctors think is possible pneumonia rather than another strain of Ebola. Here is a link to the story.

Former Ebola Patient Dr. Rick Sacra Hospitalized - NBC News

We may not ever know the TRUTH about alot of this.....Sorry, but I have absolutely NO confidence or trust in anything I am told by the people in charge. The prevalent thread seems to be if you hide your head in the sand deep enough, "bad news" just doesnt exist.....deny, deny, deny.

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Oh no, the poor guy, hasn't he been through enough?? Hope this bug he has can be treated successfully and he can be really well again.

I was glad to see this in print today.....while the politicians and the CDC and the hospital Administrators are all harmonously chanting all the "correct rhetoric" to keep everyone calm and confident, the first line of defense against any pandemic situation, is first responders and hospital staff. By their OWN admission, they feel woefully unprepared for this ebola event. I copy and paste the interview below because it shows all the hundreds of facets that are not realized let alone not being addressed. We did not even have protocols in place to determine HOW to transport infected materials from a contaminated apartment, or how to effectively destroy these materials. Permits that did not exist, to cover all these questions, had to be "produced", and hopefully, with the gross lack of knowledge people in this country have about every aspect of ebola, they got it right. The interview below points out the severe lack of preparedness that actually exists in this country.....not "fear mongering" here, just taking off the rose colored glasses and letting people see what the medical community actually feels.

"Dr. Edward Goodman, an infectious disease doctor at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital in Dallas that is now caring for the first Ebola patient to be diagnosed in this country, believed his hospital was ready.

The hospital had completed Ebola training just before Thomas Eric Duncan arrived in their emergency department on Sept. 26. But despite being told that Duncan had recently traveled from Liberia, hospital staff failed to recognize the Ebola risk and sent him home, where he spent another two days becoming sicker and more infectious.

"The Texas case is a perfect example," said Micker Samios, a triage nurse in the emergency department at Medstar Washington Hospital Center, the largest hospital in the nation's capital.

"In addition to not being prepared, there was a flaw in diagnostics as well as communication," Samios said.

Nurses argue that inadequate preparation could increase the chances of spreading Ebola if hospital staff fail to recognize a patient coming through their doors, or if personnel are not informed about how to properly protect themselves.At Medstar, the issue of Ebola training came up at the bargaining table during contract negotiations.

"A lot of staff feel they aren't adequately trained," said Samios, whose job is to greet patients in the emergency department and do an initial assessment of their condition.

So Young Pak, a spokeswoman for the hospital, said it has been rolling out training since July "in the Emergency Department and elsewhere, and communicating regularly with physicians, nurses and others throughout the hospital."

Samios said she and other members of the emergency department staff were trained just last week on procedures to care for and recognize an Ebola patient, but not everyone was present for the training, and none of the other nursing or support staff were trained.
"When an Ebola patient is admitted or goes to the intensive care unit, those nurses, those tech service associates are not trained," she said. "The X-ray tech who comes into the room to do the portable chest X-ray is not trained. The transporter who pushes the stretcher is not trained."
If an Ebola patient becomes sick while being transported, "How do you clean the elevator?"Nurses at hospitals across the country are asking similar questions.

A survey by National Nurses United of some 400 nurses in more than 200 hospitals in 25 states found that more than half (60 percent) said their hospital is not prepared to handle patients with Ebola, and more than 80 percent said their hospital has not communicated to them any policy regarding potential admission of patients infected by Ebola.Another 30 percent said their hospital has insufficient supplies of eye protection and fluid-resistant gowns.

"If there are protocols in place, the nurses are not hearing them and the nurses are the ones who are exposed," said RoseAnn DeMoro, executive director of National Nurses United, which serves as both a union and a professional association for U.S. nurses.

Unlike influenza or the common cold, which can be spread by coughing and sneezing, Ebola is only spread by contact with bodily fluids from someone who is actively sick. That means the risk to the average person is low, but for healthcare workers, the risk is much higher.

As of Aug. 25, more than 240 healthcare workers have developed the disease in Guinea, Liberia, Nigeria, and Sierra Leone, and more than 120 have died, according to the World Health Organization.

Many of these infections occurred when healthcare workers were removing the personal protective gear - masks, gowns, gloves or full hazmat suits used to care for the patients, said biosafety experts.

Sean Kaufman, president of Behavioral-Based Improvement Solutions, an Atlanta-based biosafety firm, helped coach nurses at Emory University through the process of putting on and taking off personal protective equipment (PPE) while they were caring for two U.S. aid workers flown to Atlanta after becoming infected with Ebola in West Africa.

Kaufman became known as "Papa Smurf" to the Emory nurses because of the blue hazmat suits he and others wore that resembled the cartoon character.

"Our healthcare workforce goes through so many pairs of gloves that they really don't focus on how they remove gloves. The putting on and the taking off doesn't occur with enough attention to protect themselves," he said.

Nurses say hospitals have not thought through the logistics of caring for Ebola patients.

People say they are ready, but then when you ask them what do you actually have in place, nobody is really answering that," said Karen Higgins, a registered nurse at Boston Medical Center.Higgins, an intensive care unit (ICU) nurse, said hospital officials have been teaching nurses on one of the regular floors how to care for an Ebola patient.

"I said, well, that's great, but if the patient requires an ICU, what is your plan," she said. "They looked at me blankly."
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This should cause everyone concern. All these healthcare professionals have families they go home to.....if they are infected, they infect their families, and then just stand back and watch the dominoes fall. Now is NOT the time to concern ourselves with political correctness or issues of profiling....we are not talking about who is allowed to enter the party. This is a matter of life or death.

Honestly, the best thing would be to transport Ebola patients in a private plane with an isolation suite to one of the four hospitals set up to deal with the disease if they wanted to be super-cautious but I doubt it's really necessary, given Ebola is a wimpy virus off its host and begins to die within 30 minutes and is easily killed using rubbing alcohol, disinfectants, soap and water, UV light, heat, etc.

Until then, off the top of my head, given the scenario of a biohazard spill, I'd imagine you immediately cover the bodily fluids on the floor with fluid-impermeable sheeting and move everyone away from the bodily fluids in the environment, contain what's coming from the patient as much as possible with impermeable sheeting, push the Stop button on the elevator if you were in one, while another attendant calls Security and the Biohazard Team to official close down the elevator, room, hallway, etc., until the biohazard cleaning crew can fetch fresh headgear, cover gowns/protective footwear, gloves for all in the party and put down CDC-approved protective sheet material for the transport party to walk on to a safe room where the patient, attendants and all equipment can be cleaned, disinfected and the waste products of protective suits, materials all be disposed of per CDC guidelines. Take care of the patient as usual then. And then the reporting and paperwork start and everybody gets questioned over and over and monitored and then more paperwork.

And that's just off the top of my head - surely far better minds have worked on the protocols and offered exhaustive training for years in how to keep safe from contagious and infectious pathogen hazards about clinics and hospitals.

All hospitals and large clinics are set up for this. It's basic stuff since AIDS, SARS, hantavirus and H1N1, etc. How have they all stayed safe in America and other first world countries this far if they are so slack? One mistake in a history/diagnosis doesn't create an epidemic, especially with the contact tracking being done by the CDC and now that all are super vigilant, even the worst of healthcare facilities will pick up the pace.

I worry about with flu season coming in that we are either going to be over cautious and hospitals filled with people they think could have Ebola or not cautious at all and just think everyone has the flu.

Every hypoconrdiac will be at the ER with a case of Ebola. :rolleyes:

Ebola: doomsday disease

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Ebola: how the media create unnecessary hysteria


By: Tim van den Berg



Ebola was pictured by western media as a disease that could soon travel to Europe or the US and kill millions of people. This was quite exaggerated, since Ebola has never caused many victims and is not as dangerous as in a Hollywood movie like Outbreak. The media were merely trying to get the attention of readers and viewers, and hence created useless hysteria.
What is Ebola?
Ebola was first discovered in Zaire (by now the Republic of Congo) and southern Sudan in 1976 (WHO, 2000). It is named after the river Ebola in he north of the country, where it first appeared and killed 300 people around the village of Yambuku (CNN, December 9, 1995). After that there were only a few known outbreaks among humans: again in Sudan in 1979, in Ivory Coast and Zaire in 1995, in Gabon in 1996, in 2000 in Uganda, in 2001 in Gabon and Congo and again this year in the Republic of Congo. But in none of the cases did the death toll come above 300.

Ebola Haemorrhagic Fever is characterized by the sudden onset of fever, weakness, muscle pain, headache and a sore throat. This is followed by vomiting, diarrhea, rash, limited kidney and liver functions, and both internal and external bleeding (WHO, 2000). It’s transmitted by direct contact with the blood, secretions, organs or semen of infected persons. Transmission of Ebola has often occurred by handling ill or dead chimpanzees or attending sick patients. The disease has effect on monkeys and humans (although not all Ebola-types) and has caused death in 50 to 90 percent of all cases. Until today there is no treatment or vaccine for it.


What is Ebola according to the media?
Although Ebola was already discovered in 1976, it didn’t become well known until the epidemic in Ivory Coast and Congo (then still called Zaire) in 1995. In the same year, the Hollywood movie Outbreak was released. This blockbuster about an Ebola-like virus erupting in the United States, made the western world think about the possible risk of Ebola (Moeller, 1998). Suddenly, it wasn’t an innocent African problem anymore, but a possible threat to the whole world.

In their means to get the readers attention, the media tended to make more of Ebola then it really was. So-called scientists claiming that Ebola could be handed over by just a handshake or that it might get airborne (like in the movie Outbreak) were being quoted more and more. Terms like ‘the ultimate horror’, a ‘doomsday disease’, the ‘apocalypse bug’ and a ‘biological Satan’ were the new spectacular names (Moeller, 1998). Also, the way patients suffered from Ebola became a new trend. Richard Preston wrote a whole ‘facts-based’ book about ‘the danger’ of Ebola: The hot spot. He describes the development of the disease as follows:

...The red spots on the skin grow and spread and merge to become huge, spontaneous bruises, and the skin goes soft and pulpy, and can tear off if it is touched with any kind of pressure. Your mouth bleeds, and you bleed around your teeth, and you may have haemorrhages from the salivary glands -- literally every opening in the body bleeds no matter how small...The surface of the tongue turns brilliant red and then sloughs off, and...maybe be torn off during rushes of the black vomit...Your heart bleeds into itself; the heart muscle softens and has haemorrhages into its chambers, and the blood squeezes out of the heart muscle as the heart beats... (Preston, 1995)

This Hollywood-like description is typical for the way a lot of media pictured Ebola: the more spectacular, the more readers. Even the highly rated program Nightline, opened an item on Ebola with a clip from Outbreak (Moeller, 1998), making it harder for their viewers to see the difference between the not-so-dangerous reality and apocalyptic fiction.

How hysteria could rule the media
In total, 244 people died during the Ebola-outbreak in Congo in 1995. The 2000-outbreak in Uganda caused 173 deaths. During these epidemics however, media were picturing a disease that was quickly spreading across the African continent and would soon be heading towards Europe and the US. Quite exaggerated, for a disease like tuberculosis kills about half a million people each year in sub-Saharan Africa. Almost 700,000 die from malaria each year and 900,000 from diarrhoea (Fumento, 2001). And then there’s also HIV/AIDS, which is said to have infected half the population in some African countries. But those diseases are boring to us: we know them already and they don’t scare us anymore. Ebola is a dramatic and infrequent event, occurs very rare and is yet uncontrollable (Cohl, 1997). Therefore, it’s much more interesting.

Although professional organisations like the WHO and medical experts explained that Ebola was not an airborne virus, many media-sources related to the movie Outbreak, about a lethal airborne-virus. But the technical medical information didn’t seem to have that much impact on the audience (Sandman, 1994). The information also has an opposite effect in some cases: ‘if Ebola isn’t airborne now, maybe it will mutate in the nearby future?’ Besides this, a scary story is just more interesting (Sandman, 1994). That is a reason why CNN called the disease ‘the Apocalypse bug’ and Newsweek had a cover with ‘Killer Virus’ (Fumento, 2001). After all, papers have to be sold and programs have to be watched.

In 1996 there was an outbreak of Ebola on monkey farms in the American towns Reston (Virginia) and Alice (Texas) (WHO, 2000). This was the Ebola Reston-type, which is not dangerous for humans. Imported monkeys from the Philippines brought the disease with them. Eventually all the monkeys were executed and the situation under control, but the media speculated heavily. The four men infected with the disease didn’t get ill, but nobody knew what could happen to them. Their disease was unknown and therefore a perfect story for journalists (Cohl, 1997). Another possible western case was in 2001 in Canada, when a woman returned from a travel to Africa and was mysteriously ill. She had symptoms of Ebola, but not the disease itself. But for a few days, the whole of Northern America was waiting in fear for the results of medical investigation. The media got many extra consumers during those days.


Conclusion
Ebola is used by the media to create a spectacular story about a world-threatening virus, although history and scientists have shown that it is indeed a very deadly disease, it can be transmitted easily, but the disease is so deadly so very quickly, that it destroys itself. The chances for a worldwide epidemic are for that reason nonexistent. In that respect it is not dangerous, but for the African victims it is. But partly because of movies like Outbreak, people just imagine Ebola as a ‘doomsday disease’. The media want to sell, they like rare and exotic viruses and thus tend to exaggerate the potential threat of Ebola. Also, the public doesn’t seem to hear experts who say the disease is not a world-threat and rather see the event as a Hollywood movie. Now Ebola has occurred several times in the last ten years and hasn’t caused many victims, the fear for the virus seems to fade. New diseases like SARS are the new trend. But maybe there is a chance for an Ebola-revival in western media. A case in Europe or the US, or maybe an African outbreak during a period without much news: we can always use some hysteria to make life a little bit more exiting.

Bibliography
CNN-website. CNN.com - Breaking News, U.S., World, Weather, Entertainment & Video News (search for Ebola)
Cohl. H. Aaron - Are we scaring ourselves to death?: how pessimism, paranoia, and a misguided media are leading us towards disaster. New York, St. Martins griffin, 1997
Fumento, Michael – Hysteria strain of Ebola fever. Washington Times, February 8, 2001
Moeller, Susan - Compassion Fatigue: How The Media Sell Disease, Famine, War And Death. New York: Routledge, 1998
Preston, Richard – The hot zone. New York: Anchor Books Doubleday, 1995
Sandman, Peter M. – Mass media and environmental risk: seven principles. Peter Sandman website: Home page, 1994
World Health Organisation (WHO)-website: Ebola Haemorrhagic Fever. WHO | World Health Organization December 2000.

The above article is from 2010, I believe. I just thought it interesting. I really don't blame the people in a panic as much as I do the media for their tabloid reporting of the problem.


I don't believe anyone with malice purposely sets out to get the disease nor transmit it. However he got it we don't know, there is just too much misinformation to get a clear picture. I wish for him a complete recovery, as I do any person suffering from this terrible disease.

I told you I hate it when you pridect my future lol! Just kidding.

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This ebola virus is enough to get me praying. My daughter is going to a big concert held in Austin, Texas soon and I really do not like the idea of her going. I will pray for her and all the young people attending this concert. All those flying in airplanes and anywhere this horrible virus may be. I feel for this family of the patient critically il and all affected by this. May we see God's healing power come over these sick people and this come to an end.

LOL... so true

I have not read this entire thread but when I saw this, I needed to say that Ebola IS an airborne disease!!

I knew it was just a matter of time before it made it over here.

From everything on the news and the CDC, it's only transmitted through bodily fluids - and they're all saying it's not airborne. Where are you hearing it's airborne? Viruses are capable of mutating into airborne diseases, but apparently the type of virus family that ebola is in doesn't readily/easily mutate to that state. Bc if it does/is, we're in way more trouble.

Apparently Thomas Duncan's doctors did try him on an experimental drug. He must have been fading and the docs getting pretty desperate as a respirator, fluids, dialysis and whatever else they were doing apparently wasn't doing enough. Everyone I know is praying for him and his contacts once he became ill.

Technically, I guess, almost any pathogen can become airborne if it leaves the host and travels through the air and into another host. But non-airborne pathogens have limited flight ability, limited to the velocity and mass of its vehicle while moving through the air as opposed to those that of an aerosolized nature or that can attach to dust motes, particles of pollution, float in air currents and move through the air for considerable distances. Ebola isn't infectious over long distances and can't remain suspended in the air. I heard one epidemiologist say that to become an airborne pathogen, Ebola would have to mutate into a whole different type of virus.

There are reports of specialists saying it 'could' mutate and become airborne, and some sources are saying the CDC and the UN WHO are close to 'admitting it could become airborne.' Very confusing.

I would think there is a big chance it could be otherwise why wear the big totally covering body suits and how are the ones that are being very careful without the body suits getting sick?