Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly (Post 4492855)

If indeed that man got on a plane and flew to this country knowing he had been exposed to a deadly disease, he should be prosecuted for endangering the very lives of our innocent children and civilians, who are now apparently paying for his medical care and a huge community expenses. To think that he came and stayed in the very apartment where his little son was living knowing he had carried a person who subsequently died from such a miserable disease that is also highly deadly is truly despicable. I hope that the reports are not true and it was another man that carried the pregnant woman and then got the heck out of Dodge to this country where he could get the best of care. It seems highly improbable to me that according to his family that this man who came from an despicable-ridden city(I've heard more than one person say that Ebola is everywhere in the entire region of Liberia) was in direct contact with the bodily fluids of an Ebola patient sufficient enough to infect him, yet never even mentioned it to them! Huh? I wasn't born yesterday and neither are the rest of US taxpayers who are footing a huge bill to try to care for him and fix this mess.

No small amount of responsibility must be laid directly at the feet of Presbyterian Hospital. They potentially could have forestalled much of this situation had they better protocols and isolated him during his initial emergent encounter with them.

Whatever happened before he left Liberia, we know he was closely in contact with an Ebola patient enough to come in contact with their bodily fluids or he wouldn't have gotten sick with it so I am leaning toward thinking this man knowingly came to this country and walked among us, fully aware he was a ticking time bomb of deadly disease. Why he didn't self-report his home location and close-contact with at least one Ebola patient over and over to the doctors who saw him at Presby ER during his first visit, I'll never know. I wonder if he doesn't speak English and was trying to tell them or what?

During one of the press conferences, one of the officials said they were having problems getting a contractor with the capabilities to meet CDC guidelines to go clean up that apartment he stayed in! I pray the amount of Ebola-infected travelers we have visit our shores are limited to only a relatively few more as it doesn't sound as if the US has adequate measures in place to stop them at the airports!

Originally Posted by lynzy420 (Post 4492858)

Jeannie there is a lot of misinformation out there regarding this man and the disease itself. Remember, medical procedures/treatments in the US are far different then in these 3rd world countries.

Originally Posted by dottiesyrky (Post 4492870)

Yes I get that the hysteria could well get out of hand, but the point is that this guy was involved with a known EB patient ( kind though he was), knew the risks of that contact, knew the symptoms and mortality rate.....but he still traveled abroad and exposed others to his affliction. When he got the symptoms he did little to contain his disease. That is the problem!

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1 (Post 4492826)

I thought of that....but hopefully as critically ill as he was by that time, they did not park him out in the waiting room or leave him in the hallway.....hopefully he was taken back immediately and put into a room. But, hey, ya never know......

Originally Posted by megansmomma (Post 4492902)

Actually, I was thinking about the first time that he went to the hospital. He probably sat in the waiting room for hours as a flu PT. No extra precautions were taken when he was examined and treated. He was symptomatic at that point when he was sent home. So the probablity that many people were exposed would be much higher. Then when he was picked up in an ambulance there would have been the paramedics/EMTs that were sent to the call. Obviously, they wouldn't have know the man had Ebola and treated him like any other transport. Even if he were brought into the ER by ambulance there was still staff that would have been exposed because he was not immediately under quarantine without a DX. So I could very well see a large number of people being exposed this way.

Now there is a second person that is being watched. Probably his GF since I saw her on Anderson Cooper 360 and she said that she slept in the same bed with him when he was symptomatic.

Originally Posted by lynzy420 (Post 4492849)

This reminds me of AIDS...all the fear and hysteria...not to mention the bias and hatred flung at those affected....he carried his relative home to die, how honorable...I held my brother inlaw as he died from AIDS...I'd do it again and again...Just my 2 cents on this...Safe to say more people die from AIDS every year then from Ebola...Aids was the dirty epidemic of its time....Ebola now....good hygiene and practical care are necessary for adults and teaching of our children is so important as the world changes and cross world travel so easy...Yes I know how both these are spread...yes I know they are not the same....yes I care..

Originally Posted by megansmomma (Post 4492902)

Actually, I was thinking about the first time that he went to the hospital. He probably sat in the waiting room for hours as a flu PT. No extra precautions were taken when he was examined and treated. He was symptomatic at that point when he was sent home. So the probablity that many people were exposed would be much higher. Then when he was picked up in an ambulance there would have been the paramedics/EMTs that were sent to the call. Obviously, they wouldn't have know the man had Ebola and treated him like any other transport. Even if he were brought into the ER by ambulance there was still staff that would have been exposed because he was not immediately under quarantine without a DX. So I could very well see a large number of people being exposed this way.

Now there is a second person that is being watched. Probably his GF since I saw her on Anderson Cooper 360 and she said that she slept in the same bed with him when he was symptomatic.

Originally Posted by TxVicki (Post 4492905)

Originally Posted by TxVicki (Post 4492905)

Originally Posted by lynzy420 (Post 4492876)

Did anyone read the articles? Jeannie do you remember the pics of dr's with AIDS patients all gowned and masked up??? Do you remember Ryan White? Its not that this man helped his family member, if its even true....oh forget it....


Let the hysteria begin...last one out turn out the lights...

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1 (Post 4492908)

Absolutely right! I did not even think about THAT time....I am stuck on the critically ill man, vomiting all over the sidewalk and ambulance.....and all of THOSE people exposed when he was contagious, interacting with everyone they have been in contact with....(I would imagine he walked up to the reception counter and touched it with "contaminated by droplets" hands, then went to the back for exam and was all over that bed and the rails.....followed by the next patient that went into that exam room....mercy!

Originally Posted by megansmomma (Post 4492920)

Again this is what I just read but the ambulance then continued on it's calls for another 48 hours before the mad was confirmed with Ebola. Exposing more people. messy, messy, messy

Originally Posted by lynzy420 (Post 4492912)

So what, he should have stepped over him/her instead? Neighbor, brother, sister aren't we all???

Originally Posted by sandy simpson (Post 4492353)

I am praying for all the dear people in Texas with this ebola outbreak. I really believe we better all make sure we are spiritually strong in the Lord. This world is a mess and as it falls down before our eyes we better look up. Our only hope is heaven. I taught kids for many years and the new generation of kids now are a lot different than we were. Sin runs rampart and there are very little morals and values. Ebola, shootings, killings, riots, fires, floods, hurricanes, drugs, kidnappings, school violence, unemployment-lack of leadership-get on our knees friends, this world needs help and our help is from the Lord who made heaven and earth.

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly (Post 4492866)

As a longtime medical worker, I've taken many a class in contagious/infectious disease spread and containment, Lynz, and was one of those who prided themselves on making 100 on the post-class tests every time. I actually read all the materials! But if it's true - and I realize it's not a fully investigated story as none of our Western top notch investigative reporters are highly motivated to visit Liberia and go into the homes near where he lived and ask hard questions - but I know somehow this guy got Ebola, a very hard disease to contract and only transmittable only under very limited circumstances.

I still think that while it was honorable to help another sick person, if he did, it was less than honorable of him, after coming into such close contact with someone so ill that he came into contact with their contagious bodily fluids that he got infected, to then not apparently report that encounter at the airport either spontaneously or in answer to questioning and get onto a plane and fly here where he knew he could get the best of medical care for himself - irrespective of how many he might infect once here, is unconscionable. I hope none of his close contacts contract Ebola and die, especially his own little son.

I'll be praying for this man's life, his family's safety and for the health of anyone else that has come into close contact with him once he was symptomatic and contagious. But if it turns out he knew or should have known, he should be prosecuted for putting others at such dire risk.

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1 (Post 4492948)

He did the right thing....he helped his "sister", his neighbor that was dying....he was kind hearted and generous and oh so noble.....but he committed HIS life to helping that unfortunate woman, not any other living soul on the face of this earth. He sqrewed up and forgot all his generous, kind hearted humanitarian sense, and decided to possibly contaminate every other country/people/persons he mingled with, all over Europe whereever he landed, and then on to Dallas, where he has deliberately and without any humanitarian concsiousness, exposed his own family, small children, and at least 100 other people they have managed to track down.....If he wants to sentence himself to death from ebola, by helping his neighbor, I think that is a wonderful and noble mission. But I didnt sign up for that, and neither did my family, my kids, all the little kids in schools that may be contaminated because his family now has to be on guarded lockdown because THEY dont like not being able to go outside and want to send the kids to school, and did so, against strict instructions NOT to leave the apartment. He should have stayed where he was, just because he KNEW what he had exposed himself to, and he lied to authorities about not having been around any sick ebola patients. I am sorry but his humanitarian allegience to his neighbor does not give him the right to possibly condem another single living soul to death by this disease. Look at the horrific, expanding mess this has created for innocent, unsuspecting humans that do not deserve this.

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly (Post 4492926)

But remember, EMT's use precautions with all patients and use various disinfection methods d after each patient, especially those with any symptoms of contagious diseases and/or losing bodily fluids while in the ambo, if for no other reason than to keep their crews safe. It's highly doubtful there is any reason for any patient subsequently transported in that ambulance to worry.

Dallas authorities are just quarantining the ambulance itself in case all known medical science has been wrong about Ebola's transmissibility qualities and likely for the optics of the situation. The know some patients would be afraid to get into any emergency ambulance unless they could see the ambulance which carried Duncan was taken out of service and parked where all can see it.

Originally Posted by lynzy420 (Post 4492956)

If you honestly believe the total different stories on each channel that is so riddled with hysteria causing propaganda and tabloid reporting than I have no ground to gain with my points anyway.... What I do find amazing is that people here who drop to their knees, quote scripture for the love of a pup and its owner are now tossing the bible to the wind, seizing the one tidbit of truth that NO ONE KNOWS for certain is truth and casting blame upon the man because lets face it - it only stands to reason that he purposefully helped someone, knowingly and willingly got infected, knowingly and willingly with malice aforethought got on a plane and came to the US to infect everyone he could....I honestly think we should go back 10,000 years, plant a large stake in the middle of town, tie him to it and said it ablaze....because hey everything we hear must be fact, he not only caused himself to get Ebola but he also put everyone else he loved at risk as all of us....this is no different then the Aids hysteria that caused so many people to literally be cast out of society....ah well, have at it and make sure when you go to church Sunday you talk to your preacher about casting the devil out of this man, surely he is evil...

Originally Posted by megansmomma (Post 4492989)

Yes, Universal Precautions are supposed to be used on all patients at all times. Healthcare workers are all taught in the very beginning of schooling (first day of call and then it's drilled in forever) that you need to treat everyone as if they are contagious at all time. But those are very basic steps like wearing gloves and washing hands between patients. Which is in no way enough protection from something like. In the OR where surgeons hardly ever wear more than their personal glasses if they know someone has AIDS (especially) which is a blood borne virus EVERYONE in the room including the surgeon is on high alert. EVERYONE double gloves, wears full eye protection, extra cautious with sharps, the cleaning staff uses extra precaution when cleaning the OR after surgery etc. You do not play around with a blood borne virus and that would include Ebola. So on that thought, I disagree regarding disinfecting the ambulance properly with a quick wipe down with a couple Cavicide wipes would be an adequate cleaning of this ambulance. Believe me if they would have know sooner that there was an Ebola patient in their ambulance there is no way wiping a railing down with a little Cavicide would have been consider disinfected. The virus can live on hard surfaces for up to 6 hours. How would you tell where his bodily fluids splashed about inside the ambulance? It would be impossible so that is the core reason that a quick wipe down is not appropriate in this situation.

Originally Posted by megansmomma (Post 4492987)

As I understand it, he was not contagious and was asymptotic on the plane rides that he took from Liberia to Brussels and then into the US . According to the CDC Ebola is not transmitted until you actually become sick. That is why before boarding the plane in Liberia the country is taking the temperatures of everyone leaving the country. He became contagious after being in TX for a few days and like I said previously it was his family that he exposed. I really do believe that he got on that plane hoping that he wouldn't get sick but knowing that if he did once in the US he would be treated and most likely cured. By no means do I believe that his actions are acceptable. Hopefully they have not caused the virus to spread any further than himself. When he went to the hospital the first time if he was an honorable man he should have confessed what he KNEW and insisted on being treated and quarantined. Just saying "hey BTW my BIL just came from Liberia" obviously was not enough of a clue for the ER staff to take immediate actions. He should have never stepped foot out of that ER when he KNEW that he was having the fever and other symptoms associated with Ebola.

Another thought is that he possibly does not speak English well and I know that he has a relative with him for the first trip to the ER. Maybe something was lost in translation?

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1 (Post 4493085)

The country takes temps of the people leaving Liberia, and they ask if you have had contact with anyone that had ebola. This mans honor flew right out the window when he lied right then, and denied on that travel document that he had been exposed to anyone with ebola. He could have prevented all of this by simply waiting the 21 days to see if he did indeed get enough exposure to get the virus himself. But no, he decided to take the course of action he did. There is NO honor in what he did from that moment forward. This is exactly why this disease is rampant across Africa because people have no concern for what the consequences could be if they walk around all over the country, infected with the disease. Hopefully, he has not spread that disease anyplace else in Europe or in Texas. His SECOND opportunity to be honorable was just as calliously disregarded when he kept his mouth shut and walked out of that emergency room, at which point in time he WAS contageous. I believe he knew what he had at that point in time, and he should have insisted he be admitted and isolated....all he would have had to say is, I was closely exposed to a patient with ebola and now I am sick....the hospital would have certainly double checked his admitting history and acted accordingly. Now, I am hearing various lawyers and the ACLU are beginning to say "the poor family that is being quaranteened in that apartment are having their freedoms trampled on. The poor children cant go to school, the poor family are under guarded lock and key, this is just so unfair to them." Give me a break!!!

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1 (Post 4493085)

The country takes temps of the people leaving Liberia, and they ask if you have had contact with anyone that had ebola. This mans honor flew right out the window when he lied right then, and denied on that travel document that he had been exposed to anyone with ebola. He could have prevented all of this by simply waiting the 21 days to see if he did indeed get enough exposure to get the virus himself. But no, he decided to take the course of action he did. There is NO honor in what he did from that moment forward. This is exactly why this disease is rampant across Africa because people have no concern for what the consequences could be if they walk around all over the country, infected with the disease. Hopefully, he has not spread that disease anyplace else in Europe or in Texas. His SECOND opportunity to be honorable was just as calliously disregarded when he kept his mouth shut and walked out of that emergency room, at which point in time he WAS contageous. I believe he knew what he had at that point in time, and he should have insisted he be admitted and isolated....all he would have had to say is, I was closely exposed to a patient with ebola and now I am sick....the hospital would have certainly double checked his admitting history and acted accordingly. Now, I am hearing various lawyers and the ACLU are beginning to say "the poor family that is being quaranteened in that apartment are having their freedoms trampled on. The poor children cant go to school, the poor family are under guarded lock and key, this is just so unfair to them." Give me a break!!!

Originally Posted by lynzy420 (Post 4493092)

Holy Moly maybe they should shut down Texas and not allow anyone in or out for now......oh wait they have been trying to do that for years haven't they? Whatever happened to the Mexican kids hysteria anyway?

Originally Posted by lynzy420 (Post 4493092)

Holy Moly maybe they should shut down Texas and not allow anyone in or out for now......oh wait they have been trying to do that for years haven't they? Whatever happened to the Mexican kids hysteria anyway?