Rover vs Biker
 

Did anyone else hear about this news or following? I rarely follow news like this but I seem to be oddly drawn to it. :eek: Maybe it's because I've had a similar experience. Not even close to the degree of this incident.. But I was really scared. :(

Via facebook I saw the video of the incident and could not believe it.
It was scary to watch.

And the driver had his wife and small child in the SUV with him. No doubt the child was screaming in fear of all those large motorcycles roaring right around him - he's only a toddler - plus he had the wife to also protect from that whole gang in his mind, no doubt. That one biker obviously set the rear=end accident up when he suddenly slowed down to a stop so deliberately in front of the SUV. I would have been absolutely petrified that that was a set up to slow me down so they could break in my car and I'd simply have snapped and floored it and whoever was in the way - too bad. Shouldn't have been terrorizing that family that way and grouping all around terrorizing people. As I understand it, the rules say they have all stay in one lane when they ride in large groups like that, not taking up the whole dang freeway and provoking other folks who need to use the road. And then they did actually pull the driver out and beat him. I'll bet his wife and little kid were terrified beyond belief that they would see him die and then they'd come after them. Just awful. Bet the little toddler is still having nightmares. I hope NYPD gets every last one of those thugs.

IT IS terrifying! My incident was only with 7 bikers and I was really scared so I can imagine how horrible it was for them. I feel bad for the kids the most. On both sides...

I saw a clip where one of the biker that was actually there was blaming the Rover driver saying how he walked out with bruises and cuts, etc.. while his buddies got broken bones, medically induced coma, and probably would never walk again.

It's very sad but the bikers escalated it to a terrifying level and to me, whatever happened lies almost entirely on their shoulders from the way it looks at the present time. They had no right to slow down traffic and force that man to stop his vehicle! I wonder if they weren't spread all out on the highway, slowing cars down and this guy did something they didn't like, such as speed up and try to get around which they took as dissing them or something and then that one guy thought he'd just cause the guy to hit the rear of his bike. So glad it's all on video, even the deliberate attempt to get the SUV driver to hit him. But I might try to get around them too as when you have a huge group of biker types hogging the road, I'd be scared silly what they were up to. You hear about large groups of them all over terrifying people in huge groups, slowing traffic to a stop very often as they show off doing biker tricks on their machines when people are trying to get home from work, get to the hospital or take their kids somewhere. I saw a video of some of them doing wheelies and going so slow with cars creeping behind them. They have done that in Dallas, too, stopping traffic on the Tollroad and doing fancy bike tricks. So scary. I'm just thinking I'd get off the highway first chance I got if I ever saw a group like that up ahead and would just be scared spitless. But on the Tollroad, in some stretches there's a good deal of road between exits. Sometimes mob mentality takes over when a large group of men have the upper hand. I wonder if a car can outrun a bike speedwise? Looked like the SUV tried but they caught up to him. Feel sorry for the terribly injured guy but doubt he'd be injured if he wasn't so provocatively slowed down or stopped right in front of that guy's SUV when he hit the gas.

Not sure how much you heard/read but if the "news reports" and "police reports" are correct, after the first bump, they all stopped. The Rover took off b/c some of the bikers were bashing his car and one slashed his tires...

And I'm assuming you haven't seen any of their other videos. The original guy that posted it took it down but too late b/c pretty much half the population already saw it. One video showed how those guys were pretty much terrorizing another car. A prius that looked like it was just going on its way b/c the traffic light was green. You see a biker reaching inside the car and quickly retracts b/c the window is being closed.

They drive on oncoming traffic lanes, sidewalks, in medians, run red lights, and pretty much every traffic violations you can think of. I'm more surprised they didn't hurt anyone else.

Oh, yikes, no, only saw what they showed on CNN. Goodness, these guys were on a rampage it seems!

I sure hope the NYCPD does not cave in to pressure from the protests from the bikers friends they are now demanding justice for the biker that was hurt, crazy since he was part of the group trying to harm the driver. That poor family I am sure they were scared out their wits, unfortunately there will probably be civil suit and some slime lawyer will accept the case. Perhaps the driver can sue first.

My husband and I could have been in a similar situation, we got lost leaving the Myrtle Beach airport this past Memorial Day weekend. We found ourselves in the middle of a pack of bikers just like the ones in video, there were 100's of them driving down the main street with no helmets, speeding and weaving like crazy, looking all directions to keep up with their friends, cutting in front of us. It was scary but we just got the heck off that street as soon as we could. Luckily we were not staying in MBeach for the weekend, because it turns out it was Urban Bike week there and even though just like in NY the people and the police did not want them they came anyway. We heard later on there were several accidents and I believe some deaths.

yep the family hired an attorney, a well known one to boot.


The family issued a statement on Wednesday night asking for privacy and announcing it had hired Gloria Allred, a media-savvy Los Angeles lawyer who usually specializes in women rights and sexual harassment cases.

Donna, that's a frightening close call. What if they'd seen you, your blonde hair and decided to pick on your all?!?!?! That could have been terrible, ended very badly! Glad you all could get off and get away before anything happened.

Allred will take almost any case that gets her vast media attention. But every single person except that biker's friends/family/followers seem to be siding with the beaten SUV driver and his family. I think anyone placed in that situation in their vehicle would have feared for the lives of their wife and child and their own, because once they dispatched him, that woman and child didn't stand a chance if that gang wanted them. I'll bet the wife thought her poor husband was a goner and that poor little child is likely going to fear highways, loud roaring engines and big, scary men in helmets for the rest of his childhood. Poor little kid's probably a wreck. Hope they can get someone to help him and them through this trauma.

I remember one time... my mom got into a fight with one guy during a neighborhood meeting of sort. He grabbed her hair.. I was 4 years old but I still remember that particular scene clearly to this day. I randomly have flashbacks and it STILL upsets me.

DBlain: I'm so glad you and your husband didn't get hurt or have any further altercation with those bikers. I hope you (and everyone else) would never have to go through something like that.

Yorkietalkjilly: I find it bit ironic the bikers/family/friends call Jay Meezee (the one that's paralyzed) a "victim" when: 1. He shouldn't have been driving in the first place since he wasn't even allowed to have a license till 2017. 2. By his own choice, he participated in an ILLEGAL event. 3. They claim that he was just trying to help his buddy (Cruz) that fell off the bike when he got hit. Cruz's lawyer made a statement that he got bumped, got off the bike to walk over to the driver to go through "proper procedure" for an accident (that itself was so laughable). It sounded like he didn't even fall to the ground.

I understand the family asking for prayers for his recovery. He's still their son/husband/family/friends no matter what he may/may not have done. I think the general public got more angry b/c the mom/wife/aunt is calling Meezee a "victim", "innocent bystandard".

There are ppl donating money to help support Meezee. There are ppl donating to show support for Lien as well. Funny thing is, I don't think Meezee deserves the donations and Lien is rich already so I don't think he needs it. I actually wished the money would go towards animal shelters and rescue organizations...

I know.. I'm probably being insensitive and not very nice... There are many times where I prefer pup/cat/any pet company over humans...

Look. Looks like he's not been the most responsible driver on the road if this report is right. Only a matter of time looks like before he ran into trouble. I pray he regains his health, full function.

Biker injured in NYC road-rage incident recently arrested in Mass. - CBS News

I doubt he'll regain ALL functions but I think he's lucky to be alive considering he got ran over by a Rover. I honestly can't feel much sympathy for him but I do for his kids and family...

I hope this unfortunate incident will teach both car drivers and motorcyclist to be more attentive while driving.

Lucky these people did not pull this krappe in a "right to carry" State....I can only imagine if they had thought PERHAPS the occupants of that vehicle they were terrorizing MAY have had a CCL, they may not have been so brazen about the way they attacked and terrorized that family. It would take a mindless idiot to pull that stunt in Texas......I can NOT even begin to imagine how frightened those people were.....I hope the family sues the instigators of that biker mob for psychological damage/PTSD that the toddler has probably suffered and will require professional help for a very long time.....

If the state had "right to carry", wouldn't at least some of the bikers also be carrying? It's one thing to try and fend off 1-2 people but being completely surrounded by what.. 20-30 riders. It could have turned into a shoot out.

I'm actually considering getting a CCL and all for "right to carry". I just don't think in this particular case, adding gun to the mix would have a better outcome.

I was reading about this very subject as while back after I saw something that worried me. Poked around the net and read some sites and saw what bikers thought. If I were a biker I'd be worried about carrying in case of a crash and the firearm going off into my body or digging into ribs, etc., coming out, and my $1000 weapon bouncing like a ball down the road, etc., as I and/or the gun hit, roll over and over, with no small amount of force. Savvy bikers usually know carrying anything hard and substantial on their body becomes a weapon against them in the damage it can do after the body hits the ground atop it repeatedly. And boy, if you are riding down the road, fumbling with a saddle or tank holster, draw and really try to successfully operate a weapon, you are not much in control of your bike. I'd be pretty scared to carry and operate a big bike but some of them are such risk-takers, they do carry. Still, the guy in the vehicle will always have the upper hand as he can by far better control his car, drive, duck and point all with a lot less imminent danger than the exposed, carrying biker who might just go careening off the road if he loses only a momentary bit of control fiddling for or with a gun. Even if the car driver is momentarily stopped and has a gun he's going to have a big advantage against some exposed bikers, can shoot, duck and floor it.

Has anyone ever seen a gang of bikers like this go do their group rides, stunts, slow-downs or show out in really, really awful, scary, dangerous parts of town where the gangs and dealers live and operate and police steer clear of? In Dallas, group bikers stick to the tollroads and places like that where the suits in Jags and BMW's travel to and fro and stay as far away as they can from certain neighborhoods. Where these bikers choose to show out says all you need to know about them.

This happened in NYC but the guys are from Lawrence, MA. I live near there... Ive never seen them, but my mom had a brush with them over the summer on the highway coming back from Boston. There were 3 of them and they were pacing the highway to slow it down and then taking off at 100mph, then slowing down, pacing the highway and taking off at 100mph, they did this repeatedly. She said it was scary to watch! This gang is a bunch of idiots. I went on a tear on fb after this happened and heard the family of the run over biker might be bringing up a lawsuit against the SUV driver. With all the national attention this is creating, I'm afraid the gov will micro-manage us 'riders' (yes I ride). Another freedom taken away and it's only to protect us from 'ourselves'. Imagine people being so idiotic as to having to be told not to terrorize other drivers, for no reason? ARG I really hate people sometimes! We've become such a numb society that people are getting their kicks by putting others in danger. :( Then they will be the first to scream 'unfair' when laws do happen to prevent this kind of crap! :(

Yorkytalkjilly: What you explained about riders carrying guns made totally sense and for a min, I thought "I guess they wouldn't be carrying if it's that dangerous..." But then... I realized. Most of the riders on that video didn't seem to either care or don't understand much about keeping safe. The only piece of safety gear I saw on them were helmets... If I were to take a guess, I'd say it's more to hide their face then to be safe. Cruz was stupid enough to cut in front of the rover and break check so...

Celstu1: Do you ride a cruiser or a sport bike? I've don't think ALL riders are bad whether s/he rides a cruiser or sport bike. But I have to admit, I've never encountered a cruiser that drove recklessly before while I have with sport bike riders... I've always wanted to ride a bike. It's really too bad.. the bad apples will make things so hard for the good ones that actually follow the law.

I just read an article where Allred is saying that Mieses got off the bike to try to defuse the situation. I guess that's more believable defense than "he got off the bike to help his buddy that got rammed by the car".

The lawyer must have actually watched the video and saw that Cruz never fell to the ground from the bump.

Also, I wonder if she's doing this pro bono... I know the Mieses's families been getting donations but honestly, I don't think it'd be nearly enough to cover such a high profile lawyer.

Gloria Allred: Injured biker was 'innocent victim' in clash with SUV - U.S. News

Cruiser!!!! Heck no sport bikes for me. You get laughed out of NH on a sports bike! LOL It's a big cruiser country up here! :)

Its all just stupid. Lien was not targeting Meises. He was just there and Lien was protecting his family, when his tires were getting slashed, he took off with no thought of who was where. Can't blame him. I also have compassion for the guy who got run over. I mean who are we as human beings if you don't feel some sort of remorse for a life cut short or a person maimed? We are not savages, we are humans with abilities to feel compassion for others. What that 'gang' as a whole did was utterly stupid. However that 1 guy did not 'deserve' to get run over anymore than any other guy there. I feel for Lien and Meises.... not enough to donate to either side though! I hope they all lose their licenses. Catching 1 in a bunch with no license is hard, but catching the whole bunch with no licenses I think is a lot easier!

Haha, well I didn't say bikers wouldn't carry - I did confine my comments of why "savvy" bikers know implying they probably wouldn't and surmised what I would be worried about if I were a biker thinking of carrying and as I did say, bikers can be risk-takers, some do carry. But from what I read, long-time bikers who've ridden longer than some others have lived have had enough really bad tumbles to know that hard objects carried on the body reek havoc on flesh, muscle and bone in a crash with all the high-speed bumping, bouncing and rolling over and over for yards and yards that ensues. I did get the impression that these days many do carry a gun hidden away somewhere on the bike itself but that it's not readily accessible during the ride for fear it will bounce out and be lost during a bumpy ride or wipeout.

And they have their own terms for crashes and names for certain kinds of bruises, bone breaks. One thing I thought was morbidly funny on a couple sites was that the biker's say EMT's/police call motorcycles "donor cycles".

Even if Mieses wasn't performing threatening actions there in front of that SUV, he was part of a looming gang on roaring machines that as a whole were menacing and terrifying that driver, his family and the driver likely had no time or inclination to study what any one guy was going at any given moment. He just floored it and tried to get away.

Allred was talking about how her client wasn't doing anything bad just prior to being run over. How in the world could that driver, husband and dad be expected, in that moment when his wife and child were at risk in his mind and to most viewers of the video, to try to assess whether all of the guys hemming him in ON A HIGHWAY, where it's usually illegal to slow down or stop, were behaving like choirboys or not? In his mind I'm sure all he could see was a mob closing in and see angry faces, hear roaring engines and his wife and kid screaming.

Oh I totally get what you were saying. You pointed out something I never considered so I was trying to think in those bikers boots so to speak. If that makes sense. :D But the problem was that no matter how hard I try to be in their boots, I can't. Like you, me, and many others, we wouldn't purposely go breaking laws for the sake of our own entertainment. Further more, put others in harms way.

I also saw similar comments in reference to "donor cycles". It's.. pretty sad that these type of bikers would earn nicknames as such...

I think that's the problem for me... Not being able to feel much/any sympathy for Meises. I definitely do for his kids but less for his parents, aunt, & wife. I can understand their pain and suffering seeing a loved one like that. However, for them to point their fingers at Lien and Meises the victim. Not even acknowledging the wrong doing on his part, I think that's just wrong on so many levels.

Salt to injury, Meises's father being a pastor. For me personally, I'm very disappointed that a family of what I would consider a "devoted christian" would do that. If they just said something like "we understand he shouldn't have been part of that group but he's not a evil person like everyone's making him out to be." It feels as if they're one of those "do as I say, not as I do" type of "christian leaders" and I just can't respect that type of people.

I do agree on what you say about just 1 guy not deserving it any more than others that were there. This whole incident is just really sad and unfortunate. I'm bit surprised that no one actually died. I hope Meises does recover, learned his lesson, and use himself as an example to show other "bikers" not to drive their motorcycles reckless or get involved in events like those.

I guess she must have forgotten that he had NO drivers license and did not have one since about 1999. But he still choose to drive and drive and drive and rack up multiple arrests. Sound's like someone that does not mind breaking the law

According to her, that's irrelevant. :D I'm curious though. First the wife said Mieses got off the bike to help a fallen buddy. Now the story changed to "he got off the bike to defuse the situation". If that's true, aren't they validating that Lien had a valid reason to make a run for it?

And even if he did get off his back and sprout wings, that driver was busy being threatened by roaring motorcycles, angry men surrounding him and advancing on him, he's panicking and fears for his wife and little child and he's supposed to suddenly notice that ONE guy in that melee has now turned into a do-gooder and has a smile on his face?

So what if that one guy was not adding to the threat, the other guys in his group were pressing in, furthering the threat and the driver and his family were being terrorized and still needed to bolt. If that one guy had gone saint that moment despite his long history of law-breaking, how could that driver be expected to know it in that frightening, potentially life-threatening moment? But for that guy that older guy that stepped in, they could have beaten that man to death. Plus, that older guy that intervened said that gang had even opened the poor wife's door and tried to drag her out but were stopped!!!!!!!!!! From the news coverage, it sounds as if biker gang rides are getting ever more dangerous when you see them taking up the whole highway. I think the taking over the road, riding abreast in all lanes, slowing down and doing teenage bike tricks are what anger people to start with and then the bikers begin to gang up and threaten. That's when car/truck drivers get crazy. It's very serious.

Still, I think those mean mob bikers out to go ride in the worst parts of town where the toughest of the tough gang lords and their gang members live and show off their macho all they want there.