Zimmerman acquitted

[Maximo]

Originally Posted by msyorktown

Thanks also for the clarification....I was here googling to find out if this was true in the U.S., because it certainly isn't the case here....scholarships are available to those that qualify, regarless of race colour or creed.
However our Native Indians have their schooling paid for, but you must have your card...proof that you aren't some Joe Blow looking for a free ride

In the US, scholarships are privately funded and have all kinds of different qualifications: academic merit, athletic merit, and just about everything you can think of. There might be a scholarship for girls with Yorkies, lol.

Government programs range from financial aid to grants and are based on financial need only.

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by Britster

Oh and wanna talk about racism? Try being a Muslim in this country, or someone Arab-looking. You could've been raised in America, and your parents and grandparents, and you ARE an American, but you are still going to be viewed differently, or as a 'terrorist'. Especially after 9/11. Talk about not having fair judgment placed upon you.

As far as the 'not owing anything' -- I do agree. I will never understand the mindset of some African Americans who believe they are owed something simply because people they never knew or ancestors were slaves. Sorry but I have to say it. No, I don't feel guilty about anything, because I was not alive, nor were my parents, nor were my grandparents. I have absolutely nothing to do with what happened to your ancestors. That's not to say I am demeaning or ignorant to what often went on. I am not turning a blind eye, or saying it didn't happen. It did, and it sucks, and it's a sad part of our history.

Unfortunately, slavery, of ALL types of people, has existed for a long time. African tribes at war used to sell their own people for goods with the Europeans (and look at what still goes on in Africa!!) I am not pushing blame aside from what some white Americans did to slaves, it's horrible no matter what. I'm always extremely saddened by what goes in this world, what human beings are capable of doing to other human beings, even children. It makes me ill so I try to avoid watching or thinking about it, but I do keep myself aware because I think it's important to know.

I've read that the Europeans made it clear that it was sell them slaves for goods or they would just invade and take over, enslave them in their own country and take part of them away as slaves anyway. I read the tribal heads who had little to fight back with felt it was sacrifice some for the many until such time as they could find a way out. Well, ultimately the morality of some in the home countries did prevail and stopped the practice of buying slaves in Africa. It's over simplifying it and not a good comparison but the French kind of bowed to Hitler and allowed German troops to march into France rather than fight them further and lose much of their population and their country's infrastructure to bombing and ruin. They felt they saw the handwriting on the wall that Germans would march in anyway but the latter march would be into a country with a destroyed Eiffel Tower, art museums, historical sites and buildings and homes and thousands injured and dead and they felt they wanted to make the sacrifice they did rather than what they felt was a greater sacrifice, practically speaking. I myself would rather die fighting "honorably", if you will, but I'm a hothead and often bite off my nose to spite my face.

[Yorkiemom1]

While we are discussing treatment against a race of people that would rival the inhumane treatment we often see in puppy mills and dog fighting events, lets take just a moment to remember the horrific things done to the Native American Indians..... THESE are the people that lost the most, sacrificed the most, suffered the most, and have over the years, shown the most courageous and proud and HUMBLE attitudes. They have NO activist, inciting mob riots, pilliaging and vandilizing and burning and killing, over things they have perceived to not be going their way. Your heart MUST go out to our fellow Native American Indians....do we have any here on this forum? I married a man whose mother was 1/4 Indian.....cant remember what tribe, but out of Oklahoma....a proud, respectful people......so my son has a little in him.....

[msyorktown]

Originally Posted by Maximo

In the US, scholarships are privately funded and have all kinds of different qualifications: academic merit, athletic merit, and just about everything you can think of. There might be a scholarship for girls with Yorkies, lol.

Government programs range from financial aid to grants and are based on financial need only.

Thank you Kristin....I want the scholarship for girls with Yorkies!! LOL!

My son was to get a scholarship for athletic merit...basketball....as soon as Coach saw that these two Canadians were black, the tune changed. It was so blatant, the man actually said he did not like the way they look...and he don't like their attitude.. All I could do was just stand there with my mouth open....snapped out of my stupor pretty quick though! My son and his friend had to drag me out of the office spitting fire....all I remember was my son saying something like..'told you not to piss her off, not a good idea!' I went hella OFF...put some truckers to shame with the way my mouth was workin! He reminded me of Archie Bunker....serious bigot....ok, ok, it was three years ago....calm down Jacqui, and breathe! LOL!

[msyorktown]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

While we are discussing treatment against a race of people that would rival the inhumane treatment we often see in puppy mills and dog fighting events, lets take just a moment to remember the horrific things done to the Native American Indians..... THESE are the people that lost the most, sacrificed the most, suffered the most, and have over the years, shown the most courageous and proud and HUMBLE attitudes. They have NO activist, inciting mob riots, pilliaging and vandilizing and burning and killing, over things they have perceived to not be going their way. Your heart MUST go out to our fellow Native American Indians....do we have any here on this forum? I married a man whose mother was 1/4 Indian.....cant remember what tribe, but out of Oklahoma....a proud, respectful people......so my son has a little in him.....

Some of our Canadian Natives still to this day live in deplorable conditions, much like puppymills.... no heat, no insulation...buildings thrown together that are supposed to educate their young.....its shameful! They are housed in some of the coldest regions of Canada....Canada and the US are among the richest of nations, yet our Natives still suffer....WHY? As Judy has so eloquently stated, they are not rioting, pillaging and vandalizing, they are truly a humble people. Their young are dying everyday, either drug abuse, alcoholism or suicide. We hear nothing of these atrocities...at least none that I can remember off hand.

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

While we are discussing treatment against a race of people that would rival the inhumane treatment we often see in puppy mills and dog fighting events, lets take just a moment to remember the horrific things done to the Native American Indians..... THESE are the people that lost the most, sacrificed the most, suffered the most, and have over the years, shown the most courageous and proud and HUMBLE attitudes. They have NO activist, inciting mob riots, pilliaging and vandilizing and burning and killing, over things they have perceived to not be going their way. Your heart MUST go out to our fellow Native American Indians....do we have any here on this forum? I married a man whose mother was 1/4 Indian.....cant remember what tribe, but out of Oklahoma....a proud, respectful people......so my son has a little in him.....

And isn't the fed reimbursing them in various forms of leases for minerals and property they originally claimed as theirs, benefits to tribal members for certain treaty obligations, certain tax breaks and other things that in some tiny way affords them a bit of a 1/zillioneth of an effort at payback in some pitiful way? I know my brother works with Indian tribes in New Mexico dealing in tribal natural gas rights and leases and liaisons between the tribe and the fed to come up with fair lease payments and other remunerations harvesting the gas. There are mindbending rules and regulations to follow and other benefits have to somehow sometimes be calculated out of the final amounts agreed for various reasons and so much red tape it is truly amazing. He spend a lot of time with the tribal leaders and fed bureaucrats, trying to bring them together. Then he reports to the state and then back to the gas company.

But there is no similar effort made for the people shipped here as slaves and forced to remain and work without pay or reimbursement in any way for centuries as far as I know. And then when they were able to work for pay, they were often underpaid for doing the same work at whites. I guess it comes down to legal obligations and land claims of longstanding but it doesn't seem the black race got much of a 1/zillioneth of a payback at all except for affirmative action.

[Maximo]

Originally Posted by msyorktown

Thank you Kristin....I want the scholarship for girls with Yorkies!! LOL!

My son was to get a scholarship for athletic merit...basketball....as soon as Coach saw that these two Canadians were black, the tune changed. It was so blatant, the man actually said he did not like the way they look...and he don't like their attitude.. All I could do was just stand there with my mouth open....snapped out of my stupor pretty quick though! My son and his friend had to drag me out of the office spitting fire....all I remember was my son saying something like..'told you not to piss her off, not a good idea!' I went hella OFF...put some truckers to shame with the way my mouth was workin! He reminded me of Archie Bunker....serious bigot....ok, ok, it was three years ago....calm down Jacqui, and breathe! LOL!

What planet did this coach come from? What a moron.
I am very sorry for your son and you. That experience had to be very maddening and disappointing for many reasons.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

While we are discussing treatment against a race of people that would rival the inhumane treatment we often see in puppy mills and dog fighting events, lets take just a moment to remember the horrific things done to the Native American Indians..... THESE are the people that lost the most, sacrificed the most, suffered the most, and have over the years, shown the most courageous and proud and HUMBLE attitudes. They have NO activist, inciting mob riots, pilliaging and vandilizing and burning and killing, over things they have perceived to not be going their way. Your heart MUST go out to our fellow Native American Indians....do we have any here on this forum? I married a man whose mother was 1/4 Indian.....cant remember what tribe, but out of Oklahoma....a proud, respectful people......so my son has a little in him.....

[tammy8833]

ok I haven't read all the post, but I am wondering if other people have experienced the loss of Facebook friends of Trayvon vs Zimmerman....hands up?

me

[tricia208]

Originally Posted by tammy8833

ok I haven't read all the post, but I am wondering if other people have experienced the loss of Facebook friends of Trayvon vs Zimmerman....hands up?

me

Jeepers! You are kidding. What happened to sharing thought, having a difference of opinion, getting along in difficult times? I have friends that send me offensive jokes and I just delete the joke and go on with my life. My two best friends have completely opposite political beliefs from mine and love discussing politics. We respect each others opinion.

Time for you to get new friends. Want some of mine?

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by tammy8833

ok I haven't read all the post, but I am wondering if other people have experienced the loss of Facebook friends of Trayvon vs Zimmerman....hands up?

me

Hardly on Facebook so no, as far as I know not. Didn't have that many to start with as FB not really my thing. Surely people aren't that petty as to un-friend over a trial and each other's racial beliefs. What about live and let live with each other's attitudes and beliefs unless there is some downright ugliness back and forth. Maybe they will cool down and see how this shouldn't divide us but make us strive even harder to co-exist with each others beliefs.

[tammy8833]

I agree...we weren't very close friends so im not heart broken over it..i thought it a bit immature that two adults couldn't post opposite feelings about this situation and still remaining "passive" friends =)

[capt_noonie]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

While we are discussing treatment against a race of people that would rival the inhumane treatment we often see in puppy mills and dog fighting events, lets take just a moment to remember the horrific things done to the Native American Indians..... THESE are the people that lost the most, sacrificed the most, suffered the most, and have over the years, shown the most courageous and proud and HUMBLE attitudes. They have NO activist, inciting mob riots, pilliaging and vandilizing and burning and killing, over things they have perceived to not be going their way. Your heart MUST go out to our fellow Native American Indians....do we have any here on this forum? I married a man whose mother was 1/4 Indian.....cant remember what tribe, but out of Oklahoma....a proud, respectful people......so my son has a little in him.....

You know why? Bc they are almost extinct! When was the last time any of you met a native? You wanna see poverty in the US, go to the Rez.

[capt_noonie]

Originally Posted by Maximo

In the US, scholarships are privately funded and have all kinds of different qualifications: academic merit, athletic merit, and just about everything you can think of. There might be a scholarship for girls with Yorkies, lol.

Government programs range from financial aid to grants and are based on financial need only.

Affirmative action. I remember it was in effect right before I went to college. Certain number of minorities were allowed scholarships and acceptance in certain schools, but when they said minorities, they meant blacks and Hispanics, not really Asians. I guess they thought we could make it in our own. Isn't that kinda racist too?

[capt_noonie]

Originally Posted by msyorktown

As the song says People are people, why should it be....you and I should get along so awfully? The Smiths....I think....

Depeche mode