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yorkietalkjilly 04-14-2012 11:41 AM

It seems to me he was way overzealous and in the hunter mode, too, but I do want to hear everything there supposedly is before I judge him. I remember in past cases thinking someone was so guilty and later as things came out starting to change, realizing the defense will normally not release much info as the prosecution does beforehand so as to make maximum impact to the actual jury at the time of trial. There is that school of thought that it is best to reveal information that tries to explain the defendant's actions to the prospective jury pool & the public at large but most lawyers don't agree with that. So he does sound guilty now to me but I do want to wait and hear it all. At least we'll probably get to watch parts of the trial since it is in Florida. I just wonder if he can get a fair trial since the prospective jury members may be making up their minds now same as everybody else - from what we've all heard so far and are deciding from that and the circumstances we've all been told about & what seems logical based on that & the fact that he had a gun. After the Casey Anthony trial, I wonder whether all juries actually listen to all the evidence.

bondai 04-14-2012 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 3882054)
I'm confused by these statements. My neighborhood has neighborhood watch, I would move out if people were walking around carrying guns. I mean would you really want your neigbors to carry guns? I thought neighborhood watch meant you were supposed to look for suspicious activity and call the police if you saw something suspicious.

Neighborhood watch is just that, we watched and reported. We had a special direct line and reported anything suspicious. There was no stalking or gun play. One of the first things you are taught as a CCW holder and a block watcher....RETREAT! I have been accosted on more than one occasions and have always been able to escape, it's always the best option. Get a description and report to the police, everyone stays alive that way. It does happen that you are forced to defend yourself but not as often as everyone would think.

lillymae 04-14-2012 11:46 AM

IMO he should have NEVER been following the kid . If you think about it, if you were walking down the street minding your own business & someone started following you, What would you do ? The kid had NO idea the guy was a neighborhood watchman & how or why would he know that ? The kid did what any rite minded person would do, tried to protect himself from someone following him for who knows what reason but most likely thought whatever the reason, it can't be good so I need to take action before this guy following me does & I end up stabbed or shot myself. Those would be my exact thoughts if someone were following me. 9.99% of the time , when someone is following you it's NOT your best interest they have in mind & that's a fact. This guy had NO business getting out of his vehicle whatsoever & at NO point did he use his better judgement as IF he had, no one would have been hurt or killed. EVERY action has a reaction.

Nancy1999 04-14-2012 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by bondai (Post 3882100)
Neighborhood watch is just that, we watched and reported. We had a special direct line and reported anything suspicious. There was no stalking or gun play. One of the first things you are taught as a CCW holder and a block watcher....RETREAT! I have been accosted on more than one occasions and have always been able to escape, it's always the best option. Get a description and report to the police, everyone stays alive that way. It does happen that you are forced to defend yourself but not as often as everyone would think.

Thanks for the information, I know Arizonians love their guns, but I would hate the thought of someone carrying one around the neighborhood.

lillymae 04-14-2012 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 3882116)
Thanks for the information, I know Arizonians love their guns, but I would hate the thought of someone carrying one around the neighborhood.

Exactly, I LOVE mine but I don't carry it with me unless I'm going to the shooting range.Gotta keep those hands & eyes steady don't ya know & practice makes perfect, lol

LunasMomma 04-14-2012 12:10 PM

I think that Mr. Zimmerman was playing cop and it got a young man killed. He could have just punched the kid in the jaw instead of shooting him. He outweighed the kid by 100 pounds:rolleyes: There are some seriously messed up people out there, walking around with firearms. It's my understanding that Mr. Z was not part of any official Neighborhood Watch organization, he was just "patrolling" the neighborhood. Could be wrong, but I know I heard that on the news back when this first happened.

It's a shame:(

lillymae 04-14-2012 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by LunasMomma (Post 3882134)
I think that Mr. Zimmerman was playing cop and it got a young man killed. He could have just punched the kid in the jaw instead of shooting him. He outweighed the kid by 100 pounds:rolleyes: There are some seriously messed up people out there, walking around with firearms. It's my understanding that Mr. Z was not part of any official Neighborhood Watch organization, he was just "patrolling" the neighborhood. Could be wrong, but I know I heard that on the news back when this first happened.

It's a shame:(

Just want to add here that he was not the 12 yr old kid that the news keeps showing the pic of, he was a youg adult when this happened like 18, 19 or 20. & Mr Z is not all that big. So it was adult on adult, not adult on child as the media would like us all to believe. Just saying;)

Ringo1 04-14-2012 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by lillymae (Post 3882140)
Just want to add here that he was not the 12 yr old kid that the news keeps showing the pic of, he was a youg adult when this happened like 18, 19 or 20. & Mr Z is not all that big. So it was adult on adult, not adult on child as the media would like us all to believe. Just saying;)

It's my understanding that he was 17 ~ which would make him a minor and not an adult.

Lovetodream88 04-14-2012 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 3882059)
I thought the same thing. I personally think it was ludicrous that he was driving and walking around with a gun like that. I can see it in your home or even IN your car......but out looking for people carrying a gun and getting out with the gun? No way can I see that as justifyable.

Not that I agree with it but I know many people who do carry guns all the time.

yorkietalkjilly 04-14-2012 01:44 PM

That man that appeared in court was 100 lbs. heavier than the teenager? Unless he lost the size of a whole person in the last 40 or 50 days, I don't see how that is possible? I know they said he had lost some weight but I don't think he looked that different in court from his arrest video - let alone that much lighter. On CNN, they said the teenager Trayvon was 5 inches taller than the man Zimmerman but I never heard he was that tall and so thin he was 100 lbs. smaller. But whatever size he was, unless he was in grave fear of his life and could not escape somehow, he should have retreated if at all possible & not have used his gun. If somebody were coming for me, I would run, no matter if I had a machine gun hanging off my shoulder. I sure wish all those people that carry guns on a daily basis would run and not just shoot each other. Those young men that are in gangs just shoot each other down and never try to get away either. I will never understand the need to shoot first if you have any chance of getting away.

Lovetodream88 04-14-2012 01:51 PM

Do we know for sure he continued to follow Trayvon after he was told not to? Did they ever to a drug test on Trayvon to see if he had been taking drugs? He said he didn't know Trayvon was unarmed that he kept sticking his hand in his waist band like he had a weapon. People carry weapons a lot more then you would think. Zimmerman probably should have just stayed in his car but Zimmerman had the cuts to prove there was a fight so he very well may have been defending himself. There is no way he is going to get a fair trial and that sad. I don't think he would have cooperated as well as he has if he just shot this guy for the heck of it nor would he be weeping in his cell for the first night he was there.

LunasMomma 04-14-2012 01:52 PM

Trayvon weighed 140lbs. George weighs 200lbs, so I was off a bit, but still. Shame he had to shoot him, no matter what. Even if Trayvon was getting the best of him in a fistfight, there was no call for gunplay. George, according to many of his neighbors, had a bad taste in his mouth for "young black males" and could even be guilty of profiling or a hate crime. He had been heard saying that those "@ssh#les always get away".

The media are using that old picture of Trayvon because it elicits more sympathy for the victim, and it is downright irresponsible imho. It has caused so much public outcry that is not good for anyone, and added to racial tensions. One step forward, two steps back Even if he was older than that picture, doesn't make this any less outrageous or tragic.

The "stand your ground" law in Florida is open to so much mis-use:(

LunasMomma 04-14-2012 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 3882232)
Do we know for sure he continued to follow Trayvon after he was told not to? Did they ever to a drug test on Trayvon to see if he had been taking drugs? He said he didn't know Trayvon was unarmed that he kept sticking his hand in his waist band like he had a weapon. People carry weapons a lot more then you would think. Zimmerman probably should have just stayed in his car but Zimmerman had the cuts to prove there was a fight so he very well may have been defending himself. There is no way he is going to get a fair trial and that sad. I don't think he would have cooperated as well as he has if he just shot this guy for the heck of it nor would he be weeping in his cell for the first night he was there.

Even if the kid was high as a kite, he did not deserve to die. Have the sh#t beat out him in self-defense, sure. But he did not need to be killed. He could have just shot him in the damned leg if he really thought he was in danger, so that he could escape. He was out with his gun, looking for young black males, and that will come out in the trial.

yorkietalkjilly 04-14-2012 01:56 PM

Man, that guy in the arrest video didn't look to be 200 lbs.! He was the smallest guy in that police garage and didn't look paunchy or fat or tall or anything. Was that his weight on the arrest record - 200 lbs.?

LunasMomma 04-14-2012 01:57 PM

Oh, and witnesses saw George sitting on Trayvon's back, and he was FACE DOWN on the ground. Almost like he was running away! Something is rotten with George's version of events here.


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