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chachi 07-06-2011 10:06 AM
There is media bias can you say without a reasonable doubt that it wasnt an accidental death can you say the prosecution proved the case without a reasonable doubt. I watched it every day and I felt there was reasonable doubt but the jury would convict her because the prosecution did a good job of making you hate her

susan lynn 07-06-2011 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by xmasbaby75 (Post 3588201)
I think she should be spayed ;)
Wasn't is said somewhere that she had a sexual relationship with Jose Baez:eek:

Woogie Man 07-06-2011 10:20 AM
Since cause of death couldn't be proved, I think the scientific evidence was just a red herring that confused the jury. It also gave the defense easy targets to rebut. IMO the prosecution should have stuck to what could be easily shown...that the child was missing for over a month with no report being made, Casey's behavior during that time and the lies she told the investigators. It wouldn't have proved murder 1, but negligent homicide could have easily been shown.

The jury wasn't taking notes and the prosecution should have seen this. That would have told them to keep it simple. They over-complicated the case and fed right into the defense's hand.

In spite of that, the jury didn't do its job in returning a guilty verdict for negligent homicide or at least a mistrial.

My .02.

Nancy1999 07-06-2011 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by chachi (Post 3588252)
There is media bias can you say without a reasonable doubt that it wasnt an accidental death can you say the prosecution proved the case without a reasonable doubt. I watched it every day and I felt there was reasonable doubt but the jury would convict her because the prosecution did a good job of making you hate her
What doubt did they have? Here's the definition:

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The standard that must be met by the prosecution's evidence in a criminal prosecution: that no other logical explanation can be derived from the facts except that the defendant committed the crime, thereby overcoming the presumption that a person is innocent until proven guilty.

If the jurors or judge have no doubt as to the defendant's guilt, or if their only doubts are unreasonable doubts, then the prosecutor has proven the defendant's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt and the defendant should be pronounced guilty.

The term connotes that evidence establishes a particular point to a moral certainty and that it is beyond dispute that any reasonable alternative is possible. It does not mean that no doubt exists as to the accused's guilt, but only that no Reasonable Doubt is possible from the evidence presented.

Beyond a reasonable doubt is the highest standard of proof that must be met in any trial. In civil litigation, the standard of proof is either proof by a preponderance of the evidence or proof by clear and convincing evidence. These are lower burdens of proof. A preponderance of the evidence simply means that one side has more evidence in its favor than the other, even by the smallest degree. Clear and Convincing Proof is evidence that establishes a high probability that the fact sought to be proved is true. The main reason that the high proof standard of reasonable doubt is used in criminal trials is that such proceedings can result in the deprivation of a defendant's liberty or even in his or her death. These outcomes are far more severe than in civil trials, in which money damages are the common remedy. Beyond a Reasonable Doubt legal definition of Beyond a Reasonable Doubt. Beyond a Reasonable Doubt synonyms by the Free Online Law Dictionary.
I just don't understand what "reasonable doubts" they could have. Do they really believe Caylee drowned?

Mom of 3 07-06-2011 10:23 AM
:eek: I am still in shock that she didn't at least get some time for child abuse. I can't imagine a child, or my dogs missing for 31 days before telling anyone. It's just weird that everyone is saying the same thing. I have not heard, "Casey is innocent", the nanny did it !!!!! Everyone knows she did it!! What a mess...

roseylovestosho 07-06-2011 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 3588275)
What doubt did they have? Here's the definition:

I just don't understand what "reasonable doubts" they could have. Do they really believe Caylee drowned?
My problem with all of this is that Baez presented an alternate version..that she "drowned"...but if she drowned why was she found with duct tape? That's what I just don't understand!

roseylovestosho 07-06-2011 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by roseylovestosho (Post 3588282)
My problem with all of this is that Baez presented an alternate version..that she "drowned"...but if she drowned why was she found with duct tape? That's what I just don't understand!
And how exactly can she not be found guilty of ANY CRIME if she tried hiding a dead body? How is that not punishable???

Mom of 3 07-06-2011 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by roseylovestosho (Post 3588282)
My problem with all of this is that Baez presented an alternate version..that she "drowned"...but if she drowned why was she found with duct tape? That's what I just don't understand!
That's the problem I am having too. How do you drown in a pool and have duct tape on your mouth, etc. I don't understand either.....:confused:

chachi 07-06-2011 10:27 AM
Well I quess if you convict someone because there is a smell in the vehicle or a tiny bit of chloroform in the car that could be from a cleaning agent or you convict her because her behavior just isnt the norm and you hate her for it then there wouldnt be reasonable doubt

Nancy1999 07-06-2011 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by roseylovestosho (Post 3588282)
My problem with all of this is that Baez presented an alternate version..that she "drowned"...but if she drowned why was she found with duct tape? That's what I just don't understand!
Exactly. Also why would it be hidden? Why would her dad hide it, sure they made a case that Casey would hide it, cause she's a liar, but why would the father hide it?

Bitsy 07-06-2011 10:31 AM
Still so bothered by the verdict. It is what it is, but it is hard to accept because it is not justice for a sweet little girl who had her life taken from her. :(

Here are my predictions:
-The jury will talk when they get paid to do so
-Casey will get millions for her story


Ugh...it all makes me sick. Money, money, money. Is that all they care about???

roseylovestosho 07-06-2011 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 3588289)
Exactly. Also why would it be hidden? Why would her dad hide it, sure they made a case that Casey would hide it, cause she's a liar, but why would the father hide it?
I don't understand...there are lesser charges she could have gotten...all the prosecution would've had to do is prove that Casey had SOME involvement in her death and given the amount of evidence against her...I'm sorry but here is what I'm having trouble with:

1) She doesn't report her daughter missing for 31 days
2) She LIES about her daughter's whereabouts aka Zanny the Nanny
3) THEN all of a sudden after lying about the whereabouts she says that her father and brother raped her?
4) The child is found six months later with HER BLANKET AND DUCT TAPE?

HOW CAN THIS WOMAN GET OFF WITH ONLY TWO YEARS?!

THAT IS MORE THAN ENOUGH EVIDENCE FOR AGGRAVATED CHILD ABUSE...it is HER RESPONSIBILITY AS A PARENT TO ENSURE THE WELL-BEING OF HER CHILD AND HER CHILD WENT MISSING FOR A MONTH BEFORE SHE EVEN OPENED A WORD ABOUT IT...AND IT WAS HER MOTHER WHO FORCED HER INTO TELLING THE POLICE ABOUT CAYLEE? HOW DOES THAT NOT PROVE NEGLECT?!?!

And I'm really tired of people saying there wasn't enough evidence...juries have convicted on far less.

Bitsy 07-06-2011 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 3588289)
Exactly. Also why would it be hidden? Why would her dad hide it, sure they made a case that Casey would hide it, cause she's a liar, but why would the father hide it?
Loving parents don't throw their kids in a swamp. Caylee's remains were left to bugs and animals. This is an outrage!!!!! NO loving mother or grandfather for that matter would do that. They would give her an HONORABLE burial and put her to rest in a respectful manner.

You don't make an ACCIDENT look like a MURDER....but, guilty people do try to make a murder look like an accident. Which is what she did...and the jury believed her. A known pathological liar....and they believed her.

I am still upset about this.

Nancy1999 07-06-2011 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by chachi (Post 3588286)
Well I quess if you convict someone because there is a smell in the vehicle or a tiny bit of chloroform in the car that could be from a cleaning agent or you convict her because her behavior just isnt the norm and you hate her for it then there wouldnt be reasonable doubt
That's interesting, is that the way you saw the case? Or do you think jurors saw the case that way?

chachi 07-06-2011 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by roseylovestosho (Post 3588284)
And how exactly can she not be found guilty of ANY CRIME if she tried hiding a dead body? How is that not punishable???
My quess is that they will bring charges on that or they should


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