2 year old Killed by Pitbulls

[yorkie_mama22]

Originally Posted by chachi

I didnt see a list

If you go back to the first page I believe, there was a link in one of the posts of a list of the dogs that have been banned or have restrictions on owning. I think the list was posted in the post as well.

Lots of dogs on there that I was surprised by!!

not surprised by the spinger spaniel, the one we had would attack if you came in the room while my mom was sleeping. She bit my brother in the stomach. My mom was pregnant so we rehomed her to a home with no children where she was spoiled rotten til she passed away.

[chachi]

Say the parents were watching the kid with the dog but the dog just suddenly lunges and attacks the kid. How much damage would be done by the dog before the parents could get him off of the child. Thats why I say it is a risk

[yorkie_mama22]

Originally Posted by chachi

Say the parents were watching the kid with the dog but the dog just suddenly lunges and attacks the kid. How much damage would be done by the dog before the parents could get him off of the child. Thats why I say it is a risk

That's very true but that is a risk you take with owning any kind of animal. A small dog can do the same, take a lunge at a child and hurt them, as well as a cat can scratch a small childs eye or lay and suffocate a baby as well.

There's risks all around us. The pool example is very true as well. We are having alot of drownings in canada lately and small children.

Not trying to argue or anything with you, hope you don't think I am, I am just debating here and trying to explore all options! lol

[jrsygal37]

Originally Posted by nana911

Let's face it. 98% of the problem is bad press. When they raid a place like Vicks and pull out pitbulls instead of labs and chows. It is the pitbulls gettin' all the press. And jimbob crackerhead with the flag and dually truck that wraps his manhood in his pitbull with the knobby collar and loves that he has to tell people that its trained to kill cats and little rat dogs...none of that helps. That boy ain't hauling around a standard poodle in the back of his truck. All the responsible owners in the world are not going to overcome the bad press. There have been numerous cases of of non pitbull dogs attacking and killing humans. They get a short blurb and that's it. Never the sensationalism of bully breeds.

I agree, on all your posts.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by chachi

Say the parents were watching the kid with the dog but the dog just suddenly lunges and attacks the kid. How much damage would be done by the dog before the parents could get him off of the child.

How much damage? Substantial. Even supervised, and even if it happens in a fraction of a second's time. Yes, even a small dog can react in the same manner, the difference is the amount of damage a large dog vs a small dog can cause. Not trying to imply anything negative about larger dogs, that's just the fact of the matter.

[yorkiejunkie]

Originally Posted by yorkie_mama22

Don't leave your small children unsupervised around any sized dog PERIOD! A small dog could easily take off a lip if they really wanted to hurt a child. A big dog can kill we all know that. It is so tragic and I don't know if everyone in the world will ever learn this lesson!

Not long ago in Canada a young mother (16 yrs i believe) was at home in an apartment/duplex type house stepped out leaving her 2 or 3 week old baby girl in her car seat on the FLOOR! There was another family who lived in the residence but were not home at the time. That family owned two huskies. Well the mom said she stepped out with the grandma for longer then expected and when they came back in the 2 huskies had mauled that baby to death! WHAT WAS SHE THINKING???

It seems like when certain breeds of dogs are in a "group/packed" these accidents occur more often.

It's so heart breaking I couldn't imagine this happening.

I own a bully breed and never ever would I leave my daughter alone with the dog in the house while I step out! Not even with my little yorkies. Kids get stupid ideas sometimes whether it be taunt the dog, pull on the dog, hug the dog, pull the tail of a dog or whatever else. A dog is a dog the only way of defense is biting.

If you can't watch your darn kids and pets don't have ANY!! So many people shouldn't have children let alone a dog!

Exactly what I was thinking! Anything can happen, in a split second!

I don't even leave the dogs out alone, in there fenced yard! Nor do I leave open access to my little dogs, by my big dog! LIGHTNING is FAST!!! And when energy like that is striking through a dog, they have so much power!
A trainer once told me that the adrenaline, that hits us, when something like that happens, drives the instinct of the dog, to kill (or harm)!

[MaddiesMommie]

I, too, hate reading these type stories. My heart goes out to the family who lost their 2 year old. We see, again, irresponsible pet owners and/or breeders contribute to the loss of lives and the breed gets another dose of bad publicity.

[YorkieMother]

Originally Posted by chachi

Its sad but its going to continue to happen until people start to realize their childs life is more important than owning a dangerous dog

You are so very right but many feel thier dogs are thier kids and are not dangerous or do not understand that they are.

JL

[YorkieMother]

Originally Posted by Cha Cha

It should be a no brainer. If you are going to have dogs (dogs in general) you do what you have to do to keep them and children safe from one another. I just don't get why a parent would go to extreme measures to protect their child/ren from a swimming pool, but not a dog. To me, there just is not much difference. They both can be "potentially" fatal. You don't leave a small child unattended around the water for "obvious" reasons, so why would you a dog for the same "obvious" reasons. I just don't get it. I feel so sorry for the child and the dogs because adults failed them both.

you are so right fail them both but other dogs not a part of this get pulled down to for human adult failings.

JL

[YorkieMother]

Originally Posted by yorkie_mama22

If you go back to the first page I believe, there was a link in one of the posts of a list of the dogs that have been banned or have restrictions on owning. I think the list was posted in the post as well.

Lots of dogs on there that I was surprised by!!

not surprised by the spinger spaniel, the one we had would attack if you came in the room while my mom was sleeping. She bit my brother in the stomach. My mom was pregnant so we rehomed her to a home with no children where she was spoiled rotten til she passed away.

Springer rage it is called and is a genetic concern in part and a chemical issuse. Some of these guys have seizures causing the concner with them and when medicated do very well.

JL

[laci32]

Originally Posted by nana911

This is a debate that will never be resolved peacefully. It has gotten to the point that some cities have banned pitbulls from their borders. I don't know the answer.

A lot of people forget that the sweet little dog on "Our Gang" in the movies and on TV, so many years ago was, in fact, a pitbull. That being said. While the pitbull is not the most agressive or the most prolific biter, it does seem to cause the most damage and deaths.

The problem is their physiology. They are built to kill/destroy. That is just the way it is. Their head, teeth, jaws were genetically, over time bred especially to lock on and kill. There is no way for pitbull lovers to get past that fact.

Three yorkies would have nipped that child until it bled and hurt, but anyone around would have been able to stop it immediately. Yorkies would not have been 'locked on'. GSDs who would have done an enormous amount of damage, the child could possibly have been saved because they do not 'lock on'.

Most bully breeds, and pitbulls especially, lock on and it is extremely difficult to get them off before it is too late. Not their fault. Sometimes the owner's are morons and raise them to enhance their natural ''talent''. Sometimes the owner's are good people who have raised a loving pet who for one brief instant went into ''predatory drift'' and the consequences are unimaginable.

An 80something woman was walking her poodle in a small town in our state. Walked past this particular residence frequently. It was apparently a friendly, loving pet pitbull, that had never displayed aggression. Evidently, this poodle did something that set the pitbull off, for a split second, it saw prey and it went. It attacked the poodle and in the process of trying to save her poodle, the pitbull killed the woman. She got in the way of its prey.

All dogs have momentary 'predator drift'. All mine have done it one time or another. It isn't pretty. It is always shocking to see that they really are animals. It lasts a split second and is gone. They've never hurt anything. Never got near anything, thank god. There was a thread on here where a yorkie attacked a little bird and the owner saved it. Her little yorkie saw prey. Kind of like a pitbull looking a 2yr old, and for just a second, seeing it move the wrong way and seeing prey instead of a child.

So sad, No answer.

May I add . The first dog in world war one was a pitbull .He had the backs of many men . People will argue about this breed for ever . Fact is The owners of the dog is to blame . My daughter has a pit bull now although the dog is sweet and never hurt anyone in her 6 years . Still she is a big girl and you don't leave a small chaild alone with any dog regardless the breed . Now I will probaly get yelled at lol

[PiePiper]

I know a young couple who owned a pitbull for years. He was a well behaved family pet. The couple became parents to a little girl and the dog and child got along fine. When the little girl was about 3 she was sitting up on the bed with her mother. The pitbull was sleeping on the floor at the bed's side. The child got off the bed and stepped on the sleeping dog. The dog woke up with snapping teeth and almost bit off the child's nose and damaged her cheek. Luckily the teeth missed her eye. The poor little girl spent 2 weeks in the hospital and had to have 100's of stitches. The dog was put down. Here was a loving family pet that was startled from sleep and lashed out.

[YorkieMother]

Originally Posted by PiePiper

I know a young couple who owned a pitbull for years. He was a well behaved family pet. The couple became parents to a little girl and the dog and child got along fine. When the little girl was about 3 she was sitting up on the bed with her mother. The pitbull was sleeping on the floor at the bed's side. The child got off the bed and stepped on the sleeping dog. The dog woke up with snapping teeth and almost bit off the child's nose and damaged her cheek. Luckily the teeth missed her eye. The poor little girl spent 2 weeks in the hospital and had to have 100's of stitches. The dog was put down. Here was a loving family pet that was startled from sleep and lashed out.

Sadly the adults failed to put bite inhibition on that dog.. and both the child and dog are hurt by it. With bite inhibition training that dog would have nipped or warned first.
I also bet it was taught a grr is wrong, so instead of being able to use it voice to say oach it went to a bit..... sad so sad.

JL

[YorkieMother]

Originally Posted by laci32

May I add . The first dog in world war one was a pitbull .He had the backs of many men . People will argue about this breed for ever . Fact is The owners of the dog is to blame . My daughter has a pit bull now although the dog is sweet and never hurt anyone in her 6 years . Still she is a big girl and you don't leave a small chaild alone with any dog regardless the breed . Now I will probaly get yelled at lol

I not going to yell at you I agree.

JL

[Britster]

OK, first, I am soooo sorry for that poor sweet innocent child who had to go through this. I am extremely empathic towards the parents, as my mother has lost a child, and many folks in the media are quick to say "it was the parents fault!!!" (my brother drowned at a public pool) where it's simply not the case.

With that said, Pit Bulls, as a breed, are known family dogs. They are one of THE top dogs to have as a family statistically. Pit's were bred to be DOG aggressive, not human, and any dog that was born with human aggression was killed in order for that trait to be bred out of them. Many Pit's are not dog aggressive nowadays but many do still have that trait. A Pit will go for another dog/animal before going for a human. Also, Golden's and Labs, I believe, are above the Pit on the bite list. What does this all boil down to? BAD breeding.

Also, "lock jaw" is NOT true. That IS a myth. Honestly, the reason pits are so popular with irresponsible sorts it's because they're so stable in temperment. One guy told me that he'd rather have a pit than a Dobe or a Rott because if he beat a Dobe or Rott it would take his arm off, but a pit won't bite you no matter what. Ever seen people who sickeningly FIGHT these dogs... they can beat 'em, do whatever, yet the Pit will still gladly come over and give them a kiss on the face. That's how loyal they are.

In the 70's it was Dobies. In the 80's it was German Shepherds. In the 90's it was Rotties. Pits are the "it" name of today. Why don't ya ever hear about Goldens attacking family members? It wouldn't be as interesting on the news. The name Pit Bull attracts people. People LIKE hearing bad things. Ever notice how the news never, or rarely, has positive stories? They would much rather play a story about a Pit killing someone, over a Pit who is a certified therapy dog. It's more appealing to the masses. That's why ban restriction doesn't work... who are they to say which breeds get put down or removed from cities and which ones don't... so let's say Goldens suddenly become bigger attackers, now Golden's are banned from cities and states?

They aren't 'harmful', they don't attack randomly. It's all about training and being in the right/wrong hands. They ARE a powerful dog who needs a lot of mental and physical stimulation. They are not always dog friendly, but should never show any aggression towards people. Good breeders know this. Problem is too many people are breeding them out of the wazoo, and not paying ANY attention to temperament or genetics. Which is NO fault of the dog. Humans created Pit Bulls and now we are destroying them.

Education is key. Not killing these dogs or getting rid of a whole wonderful breed. People really need to be better informed about them and information needs to be put out there more. Which is why I think it's so wonderful Animal Planet is airing "Pit Boss" etc and showing how amazing they can be.