Sorry, My English isn't the best. Are you saying I bad influence on friend? I don't have interest in buying sex toy.

Sorry if you were just expressing frustration! :) Wanted to make sure wasn't anger toward me. Just being honest in this thread. :)

Thank you for givingus the insight through the eyes of a teen ager. I hope those who posted on that theread think twice before they post again. I'm sure you learned more than you need to know at your age.

I believe if enough of us donating members speak up, It is something that we CAN control. If the donations stop, they might take notice.

I will not donate to a site that allows sexualy explicit material.

The rules clearly state that it is not allowed, yet it was allowed. Why?

We all know that sex sells, if that is what this is all about then I don't care to contribute. I contribute, for the dogs, not for someone to discuss their sex life.. There are other sites for that.

You agree that you will notuse the YorkieTalk Forums to post any advertisement or other commercial message except expressly allowed by YorkieTalk. You agree that you will not post any knowingly false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, harassing, obscene, sexually oriented, or threatening message or material that is illegally invasive of another person’s privacy.

Ok, I know I will be bashed here, but that's ok. For the record, I did not go to the sex thread, was not interested and never posted on it. It just seems to me that you are taking the rules out of context and seeing what you want them to say.
It doesn't say you can't post it, it says it can't be illegally invasive of anothers privacy which that thread was not.

Not that I really care one way or the other....The thread is not one I care to read or participate in, so therefore, I don't. If there is no violation of rules, people should be allowed to post as they wish there. Likewise, if people are of the opinion that it's offensive, then they should be allowed to post their feelings as they see fit too. (IMO) But I keep seeing the excerpt from the rules posted--read it more clearly.

You agree that you will not post any knowingly false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, harassing, obscene, sexually oriented, or threatening message or material that is illegally invasive of another person’s privacy.

As it is written, it doesn't state that you can't post material of that nature....just that you can't post it if it is "illegally invasive of another person's privacy." The thread in question may be distasteful, but are the comments being directed at specific members in a way that can be deemed and 'invasion of their privacy?'

There is another section of the rules that states: "No adult images or links to adult images are allowed." So, not sure if that is happening....just saying.

Just wanted to point that out.....carry on! :)

Oh please......it is the Off Topic forum. Much ado about nothing imho. You cannot please all of the people all of the time.

Whatever you don't donate, someone else will. The site has been around a long time and I hardly doubt that a thread with such innocuous material is going to cause it to fail.

Acutally, I think that maybe I am reading the excerpt wrong. :confused:

Does the 'invasive of privacy' only apply to "material" since the list of what is allowed is separated by "or." Which would mean that everything listed before would be disallowed....meaning that the thread in question would be a clear violation of the rules. Hmmm.....not very clear.

Oh well, clearly my concern is more on the grammatical structure of the excerpt than the actual thread in question itself....which I have now concerned myself about too long. :p Surely I can calm my inner grammar-OCD demons and find something more interesting to think about. Anyway...moving on.

I believe you are both reading it wrong.

It states: You agree that you will not use the YorkieTalk Forums to post any advertisement or other commercial message except expressly allowed by YorkieTalk. You agree that you will not post any knowingly false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, harassing, obscene, sexually oriented, or threatening message or material that is illegally invasive of another person’s privacy.

The "or" indicates that the first part can be read on its own.

I do not have a strong opinion either way on this topic, but it is incorrect to state that if it is not illegally invasive that it is allowable. This is not true according to the forum rules and that "or".

I have had a post removed when I was first a member after a person posted about being afraid she was pregnant. I was giving her advice that the certain "method" she was relying on was not a proper one. I used the term and it was removed. If that was removed, the rules have become different or more things are allowable now.

Ha ha Maddie....we were posting the same thing at the same time about the separation via "OR." :D Read my second post.

Just to clarify a little, as there seems to be some confusion about the rule. The way that Mojo and Bama are interpreting the rule is accurate.

This is not my board, so I can't/won't alter the rules, but I do respect them as they are now. Personally, the thread doesn't bother me. As a moderator, I can understand why it may bother some members, and bc there are people who are concerned - I will link this thread to Admin to make sure the opinions are considered. I'm sure it's already been read by Admin, but I just want to assure those who are concerned that I'll make double sure. :)

Also, please remember that if someone does have children who come here, we can disable access to the Off Topic section for that child. :)

Haha! I'm a grammar stickler, what can I say? :p

I understand completely. Then again, the "OR" could be used in this case just as a transitional word instead of something separating the two. Because if you read it, taking out the questionable "OR", and just including "material" and "threatening message" with the rest of the things listed, it would be grammatically incorrect.:rolleyes: (Jesus...surely I can watch paint dry or an infomercial or something.)

Ladyjane, if I said "water was wet", you would argue the issue.

I simply stated, Just because YOU CAN, does not mean YOU SHOULD.

I will not support a site that allows sexually explicit material.

I'm sure the site will go on without my contribution, but at least I did not contribute to it.

It is not necessary. There are other sites for those who want to be involved in that.

Thank You Ann for bringing this to the attention of admin. That is all that we can ask.

As you said, it is their call, but I'm sure they did not forsee that type of thread.

I have sent the PM and also asked for clarification/confirmation of the rule, if it is needed. If rules need to change, they can be changed; if Admin thinks they are satisfactory, they can stay the same. Doesn't hurt to ask and/or see if something needs modification. The subject brings out so many different viewpoints.

Wait...that's nothing new here, is it :p?

We do understand some members may be sensitive to threads of a sexual nature. The thread in question explicitly says it is about marital sex and is not trying to "trick" any members into viewing it. No one is "forced" to read the thread and it is in the Off Topic forum. YorkieTalk members are free to share or not share in any thread they wish. We do not see any content that would be deemed illegal in that thread at this time. For kids or for any members in general, we can block the entire Off Topic forum for any account if it is requested, just let us know and we can change the settings for that particular account.

Members are free to donate or not donate to YorkieTalk based on their own free will. We would never want any members to donate to YorkieTalk if they are not comfortable in doing so. Donations are non-refundable. We do appreciate all donations that we do receive and there are special perks for members that do donate and help out our community.

By all means, let us redirect focus to something other than the offensive material in question - sexually obscene material (to make it completely clear to those who are caught up in grammar - the graphic pictures of vibrators and other adult toys) that have no place on a board supposedly dedicated to the fellowship of Yorkie owners. That way, people just might forget what started this whole thing in the first place.

Moving on...

I'm pretty surprised at the outrage directed at that thread. When I think "obscene", I think, well, way worse than pictures of marital aids.

Just for the record, I censor myself quite a bit here. I tend to have a pretty crude sense of humor, and I can swear like a sailor. So for people who are upset, keep in mind that for some of us, the website could use a lot more dirt. :)

Oh please...I wasn't trying to "redirect" anything. :rolleyes: Seems like the subject had taken a turn to "if" the material is allowed per guidelines, so examining the rule itself as some of us were was right in line with the conversation. Sorry if some of us let our sense of humor show in the process.

You gotta be kidding! I have raised 3 daughters in the Church and there are more Sex Scandals in my Religion than any Porn site. As a matter of fact the priest holding my daughter in her Baptismal Photo was found guilty and put in prison for molesting boys. Have you been to your local High School Lately? Do you know what goes on while they are walking to class. It's not talking about Happy Days. Between the selling of Drugs, having Sex in the Bathroom, kids these days know more about Sex than you or I can ever imagine. Once a kid enters JH and HS they have lost their innocents. Sad but true. Not saying all have sex and do drugs but they see it in their daily lives at school. Please do not live like an ostrich with you head buried in the sand. If I offended anyone with my comments in the Sex Thread I do apologize. Just having some fun. Some people have no one to talk with , so they come on here because the feel comfortable with friends. They may not have parents or friends other than YT. I can understand that. If you go back and read, some of the questions where genuine and they truly wanted answers.

I think we better re-read the rules and see if a sense of humor is allowed. :rolleyes:

The only reason I even brought that up was because somebody posted it several times trying to make their point and then started stating a few priveledged members could get away with breaking the rules the rest of us had to follow. I let it go the first time and then decided to post what I read it to say

JeanieK, its an off topic board, dont click it if you cant take it. The person was asking a serious question and others gave their opinion. What about the Menopause Thread, some people may not want to hear about women problems. Is Sex that dirty little secret to you. I think of it as a part of my daily life. So it does not offend me at all. I am not trying to be rude just trying to understand your feelings.

There was also a doggie sex toy posted years back, nobody was upset over that and I thought it was pretty graphic. Tried to find it, but having a hard time.

And I totally understand your feelings, I was totally surprised their was a sex thread on here, but I don't have to visit it and seems the bigger deal you make over it, the more attention you attract to it.

Oh please...there is a LOT on YT that offends me. I dont go through the rules trying to apply it to MY personal feelings.
Pardon me...someone might think I was calling them names SO I edited it.
I just think this is SO stupid

Honestly i don't see anything wrong with the thread either and after reading the rule the first time it was posted i didn't think it broke the rules either.

Ann and Admin have both stated that no rules are being broken by that thread. The title clearly states what the thread is about so if you think its going to offend you then don't read it.

Even though i don't see anything wrong with the thread i personally wouldn't share some of the things others have on the internet. You never know who else is reading it (I'm not worried about kids because if there is a will there is a way). There are some creepy and dangerous people out there.

Regarding kids reading this material i hardly think this is the place they are going to come to read about sex. If kids are really interested in finding something there are plenty other worse sites around where they can read and look all they want. Kids today are not as innocent as you think. I'm 27 now and can remember kids having sex back when i was in jr high 15 or so years ago. There was also smoking, drugs, fights, bomb threats, fires, and racial fights going on. You can try to shelter your kids all you want at home, but they are gonna see a lot at school unless your from a very small town.

I am sorry you feel that way, How many members are on YT? And you are allowing a few bother you? Go to the General Forum, tons of new people needing questions answered, sick and injured needing help. For you to say this one thread ruins YT, please. Again I am in know way trying to be rude just understand.

I agree that YT is different from a few years ago. There are a lot of people that are no long here, and have gone elsewhere. And i understand where you are coming from.

However i honestly don't understand this "fear" of posting because of what others will think. The way I see it is that this is the internet and you are behind a screen. These other people may not like what you say or might express a totally opposite opinion quite forcefully but what are they really going to do to you? I was upset about a few things going on toward the end of last year and i took a break from YT. I came back in May i think with a different attitude towards it. There are people and topics i definitely do not agree with but i am trying my best to just ignore it and walk away. sure sometimes I slip up, i'm only human, but i'm not going to let other people dictate where i want to post, read, and spend my time. I do not care if people on the internet do not like me. When am i honestly going to see these people in person? most likely never. There are also people on here that i love talking to and consider my friends and would love to meet in person.

There is no shortage of dirt on the internet. It was nice "thinking' that this forum was above that, but apparently it isn't. Hopefully this is not Just the beginning.

I am sorry, but since when is marital sex dirty? Maybe to a few, yes, but not to the majority of people.

Suggesting that is insulting, imho, to the person who started that thread. She had concerns...clearly loves her husband and wants her marriage to be better.

I just cannot believe what has been made of it. As I said previously, I would not discuss that, but I never, EVER found it disgusting.