Originally Posted by livingdustmops (Post 3079946)

There are some of us on YT that will place the welfare of the dogs above humans because someone has to be the voice for these animals, we have seen or see on a daily basis the abuse of animals. We have enough people that use them for their own welfare and it is very apparent with some people. If the majority of people on YT feels that no one should try to protect these dogs or animals in general then I have been sadly mistaken what this group is about.

For those of you who think the respectable breeders and the real rescue people were downgrading someone because they don't have $$$ and are in a wheelchair is just trying to put a spin on a story . I have a handicapped family member and I have family members who are poor - and I can darn well tell you they would be very upset to know people are trying to play the "poor is me card" and I can also tell you they love animals and would not use them to pay bills. So poor handicapped people don't have to play by the same rules..I don't think so and I am sure they would also be offended by this suggestion. In fact many of them fought for laws so they are treated as equals. IMO when people put a spin on these issues they are the ones who are prejudice against these people...they see them as different. Let me point out here, I am not against poor, handicapped people breeding if they can do it right (for the dogs) and can handle situations and have the resources ($$$) if something happens. If you are handicapped and cannot get into the whelping box to help mom then it is one more reason you should not be breeding. They also should be doing their homework/research before they start the process...just like anyone else. I would also add here for the ones being so judgmental have you worked with abused dogs, walk into a puppy mill, walked into a byb's home, been in the shelters, seen the fear in these animals eyes, seen animals that cower because of abuse and been there when the breeders are done with them and toss them away or even kill them ? Everyone on YT has to decide if they are going to help animals or hurt animals.

For those of you who are afraid to ask questions then I feel sorry for your pup. Everyday hundreds of questions come into YT and never have a problem so I wonder just what questions you are so afraid to ask. Hurting animals is never right in my book nor is using them for your own greed and frankly I am disgusted if members on YT feels this way.

We all know anyone can make $$$ off of the dogs by not doing right by the animals. The ones who don't make money are pouring the money back into their breeding programs by going to the shows, giving their dogs top medical & dental care, feeding them quality food, investing in educational programs and spending $$$ researching the dogs and their pedigree's and are not cutting corners with their breeding program. Again a spin put on the story.

I will never understand how someone could know a dog killed puppies, gets into death fights with another dog , was an abused dog, dogs beaten by a cane where the dogs were still in pain the next day is okay and that we are the bad people for trying to protect the animals. But then again some people think it is okay to kill a puppy with a hammer.

If some of you think I enjoy confrontation, you are wrong, but I will speak up for the dogs.

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 3079881)

I agree w/ Mardelin - that's where I'm coming from as well.

I think this thread is presumptive. It infers too much about the original thread that wasn't there, in my opinion. This person, disabled or fully abled, was breeding an abused dog, was not providing a safe environment for these dogs, and was adding more dogs to the mix. THAT was really the issue. Dogs were fighting, puppies died.

When a few people made comments saying she should not be using these dogs to make money, those comments, imo, were *not* about her disability - those comments were about the fact that she was *not* breeding safely.

For the record, maryeverrett1, I am not blind - but I do find it very ironic and rather insensitive that you would make that kind of comment in this thread.

Originally Posted by Reese1 (Post 3079895)

Jeanie,
Again I'm not condoning attacks on anyone with a disability or for being poor, but I don't honestly see how you can separate out your quote above.
I don't think you can say whether posters did right by that individual without the connection of her doing right by the dog. It goes hand in hand because it's what ignited the passion and responses.
I'm not going to lose sight of what disturbed me about that situation to begin with because I think it's serious.

Originally Posted by chic-n-ltl (Post 3079954)

Okay....I bred my yorkie on March 22nd....litter due around May 22nd, this morning when I took her out to potty...(pee) she came in with a long, thin, yellowish string hanging from her that I had to wipe off. Is this normal, or should I be concerned?

Originally Posted by chic-n-ltl (Post 3079903)

I'm new to YT, and I didn't read the post, but, I have read a few of these comments. I came on here this morning to ask a question.....now, I'm not sure I should ask anything on here!!:confused:

Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3079876)

Let me add in defense of Wylie's Mom/Moderator. She's on the side of the dogs too, and could very well be the reason she allowed the thread to be played out.

Originally Posted by chic-n-ltl (Post 3079954)

Okay....I bred my yorkie on March 22nd....litter due around May 22nd, this morning when I took her out to potty...(pee) she came in with a long, thin, yellowish string hanging from her that I had to wipe off. Is this normal, or should I be concerned?

Originally Posted by chic-n-ltl (Post 3079954)

Okay....I bred my yorkie on March 22nd....litter due around May 22nd, this morning when I took her out to potty...(pee) she came in with a long, thin, yellowish string hanging from her that I had to wipe off. Is this normal, or should I be concerned?

Originally Posted by Reese1 (Post 3079933)

Honestly, I just went back and re-read through a lot of the posts and I really think most of the fighting at the end was not between the original poster and others, but between someone there defending her and other posters.
I honestly didn't see posts that were just attacking her for being disabled. One post that was said about her getting a job, I honestly think came without knowledge of her being disabled, but in response to the fact she is breeding to pay bills.Most of the posts I read that had anything at all to do with her being disabled were again directed to another poster defending her practices and were stating that the fact she is disabled doesn't warrant or justify her breeding practices.
I don't see where anyone was making fun of her for being disabled, calling her names for being disabled. Maybe, I missed them somewhere, but I didn't see that.

Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 3079778)

I do not ask a lot of times either, I go to those who I know will not call me "STUPID" for asking as question.

This thread was my "rant". The things said in that thread were unnecessary. There were many peole who gave good advice and answered her question. Others started right out belittling her for being poor.

The funny thing is, when I first joined and mentioned breeding everyone pointed out to me that there is no money to be made breeding dogs.
Now everyone is accusing people of breeding for the money. Well we all know that if you do make any profit it is small one, and the next litter you might lose money.

Addressing the disabled issue. Not all disabled people are house bound or confined to a bed. they can do things but it is difficult for them and takes them a lot longer and they need to rest more frequently. And that is what makes one unemployable. It's not that they can't do anything it's that no one will hire them because they are not efficient and they need too many breaks.

But to tell a disable person to get off their ass and get a job is way out of line.

Originally Posted by chic-n-ltl (Post 3079954)

Okay....I bred my yorkie on March 22nd....litter due around May 22nd, this morning when I took her out to potty...(pee) she came in with a long, thin, yellowish string hanging from her that I had to wipe off. Is this normal, or should I be concerned?