Originally Posted by Cha Cha (Post 2993331)

If you have contracts that states such, that is great, I commend you for that! That IS how it should be. Imposing that is another story. How many law suits could you go through before you simply could not enforce that contract any longer due to the cost involved? Again, if my dog that I purchase and agree to care for by making the purchase, ends up in a shelter and I am the one that defaults on that contract, you are saying that you pay the fee? Doesn't make any sense. What if I purchase one of your dogs, and I lose contact with you over the years? I move, or I get sick and my relatives know nothing about a contract and your dog changes hands and eventually ends up in a shelter? You pay a fine? That's rediculous. Also, a microchip only identifies the current owner at the time of microchipping. (or does it give the life history of the dog). What if the dog changes hands (against the contract) and never has the number changed at a registery? How do you trace that? I know that rescues deal primarly with pure bred dogs of their chosen breed. What about the mutts? The dumped dogs. Our shelter has very few pure bred dogs. Who pays for their being there? How do you identify thier "breeder?" Obviously the person bringing it in is not going to own up to ownership.

Ok, so some of you are also imposing mandatory microchipping so their dogs can be traced. Honestly? Do you know what will happen to dogs if you make mandatory microchipping a law, and you also impose stiff fines if the microchipped dog ends up in a shelter? People will take them to the country, shoot them, and cut out that microchip so it cannot be traced to avoid paying any fees. Sounds drastic? Yes it does, but then again, people dump their dogs in the country to starve and fend for themselves anyways.

Originally Posted by livingdustmops (Post 2993349)

I will let Mary respond to her contracts...

All chips can be updated with the new name etc...mandatory to do. If I sell my dog to someone else and it ends up in shelter with only my name on...I pay the fine...It was my fault for not updating the information...just like cars. So you are saying that if I buy a ford mustang and get a speeding ticket, Ford should pay it since they made the car???

You are incorrect about rescues. There are breed only rescues and there are rescues that handle the mutts (your words) and every animal would have a chip that has the breeder/owner record on file.

Look, now of us have answers but clearly you are only shooting down idea's without thinking how we can change what is going on in this word.

Trust me, if breeders/owners were dumping over 5 MILLLION animals in the countryside to get out of the fines...they would be discovered ....and then could be charged with animal cruelty. 5 million didn't end up in a shelter at one shelter/rescue at one time. It happened one by one. If people know they are going to be hit with a fine, they will do what they can to avoid it. A dog is much easier to hide than a horse.

If you have watched any of the video's on puppymills and volume breeders you would understand why one system isn't perfect but we have no system right now.

Originally Posted by Cha Cha (Post 2993366)

I have watched I wholehartedly understand the problem. Not everyone who responds on the net is not informed.


I am not shooting down ideas. I am warning you.....that what is good for the goose is good for the gander. You go imposing fines, laws, regulations, on the large scale breeder who can pay them, will run the reputable small scale breeder out of business. This is big government, and this is how our country is already, the big gets bigger, and the small gets choked out. Why would the dog world be any different.

Originally Posted by Cha Cha (Post 2993366)

I have watched I wholehartedly understand the problem. Not everyone who responds on the net is not informed.


I am not shooting down ideas. I am warning you.....that what is good for the goose is good for the gander. You go imposing fines, laws, regulations, on the large scale breeder who can pay them, will run the reputable small scale breeder out of business. This is big government, and this is how our country is already, the big gets bigger, and the small gets choked out. Why would the dog world be any different.

Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2993361)

Honestly, I don't know what kind of breeders you deal with.....but, none of the breeders I know would not even think of placing their dogs with people they didn't trust. I know where everyone of my pups is, I see them regularly, I get e-mails from their owners regularly.....I groom and board my pups for free for the rest of their lives. And yes I do require microchipping....as a matter of fact, I'm learning how to administer them so, that I can do it before the pups ever leave my home. Sorry, I just can't phathom ever placing my pups in the type of homes you describe.....but, then I'm pretty picky on where I place my pups. As my vet says when he sends people to me.... here's who I recommend, but it'll probably be easier for you to find a cure for AIDS, then get a pup from her.

Remember a contract is only as good as the two people signing it and if I don't trust you to begin with, I'm not selling you a dog.....simple as that. Then I do have a $5,000 breech of contract clause in my contracts.

Originally Posted by Cha Cha (Post 2993396)

I don't "deal" with any. And, I am NOT a breeder on any scale. But, I have been around in my lifetime and I have seen a lot of stuff that some of you probably couldn't even imagine. I honestly have seen it from a different perspective. Some very large scale, some very small.

Look, I am not here to argue because I know that the people here, responding to this thread are NOT the problem. You do things that way it should be done without necessary regulations, fees, fines, and anyone checking up on you. I know good an well where the problem is. Do I have the answers, of course not. I really do believe we ALL have a part in the responsibility. You have the mills (I refuse to call them breeders) putting out the puppies, but you also have so called registeries allowing it in that they create a registery for everything. Everyone's hand is in the pot!

Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2993402)

You know I'm really not about imposing laws, I'm against big government. I firmly believe the laws of licensing your dogs was put in place as government money maker. My dogs are in my backyard....it's my backyard and kept clean for my dogs to play in.....why should I have to pay a liscense fee when I already pay insurance and taxes on my house.
A bit off track but, we as breeders do more when we breed dogs than most people do before they decide to have a family.....

But, reputable breeders aren't afraid of resonable fees, the one of imposing a fee if your dog ends up in the shelter, is not far fetched.

Originally Posted by livingdustmops (Post 2993416)

I do have to say also, I am totally opposed to big government...Lordy I went to a private college that is so right winged (not religious) it isn't even funny...free enterprise the whole works...but...I can not stand the slaughter of millions of animals every year. We have to stop it. It isn't working with what is in place now. I do know once the car manufacturers had to start paying hugh fines..they changed many ways they do business. Is it perfect....no but a heck of a lot better now. Even with the bad recalls going on with Toyota...nothing compared to the 60's.

Originally Posted by red98vett (Post 2987083)

I've been here a long time and leaned alot just from being online about certain things - One thing is the big shelter problem. I knew it was bad but never knew it is as bad as it really is. And it is BAD.

My girls are older ....back when I looked for a yorkie I never even considered rescue - I didn't know I COULD consider it. People weren't mass breeding yorkies then.....:(

As a kid all my pets were shelters/strays but lately I've really thought about what I would do IF I were ever to get another dog. (I'm not) BUT - my decision would be.

I would get a rescue. I would never 'purchase' another pet.

I almost feel guilty for 'buying' my girls. I CHOOSE the yorkie breed and back then - they weren't in shelters like now - as with many other small breeds - they're now in shelters and maybe saved before a larger dog... but still there none the less .....and it really SUCKS.

There are so many dogs needing homes.....it's always been this way...the problem is just growing and growing with no end in site. :(

It's horrible to think of the thousands of great dogs killed everyday because so many freakin people are breeding due to the money they make.

What would you do ? IF faced with a decision to add another pet to your family - (yorkie or otherwise) ..............would you buy or SAVE ?

Originally Posted by orlnurse (Post 2993605)

I responded to your post the other day about adopting. I said that I couldn't afford another dog, but since my response all I've done is obsess about getting a sister for Max. I've been looking on petfinder.com and other rescue websites, but nothing in my area. Mostly males. With Max's personality, I think he would welcome a sister easier than he would a brother. I checked out my budget and I probably could afford another one. Oh boy.....

Originally Posted by MaddiesMommie (Post 2993539)

Great thread V!:thumbup:
Should I decide to add another to my group I would rescue. I personally like the idea of getting a dog from people who can match me to the dog that will do best with me.:) I would choose a rescue I trust and understand that it may take time to find the right girl, no boys allowed;), for me.

Unfortunatly, there are so many drop-offs in my area, I could eventually have any number of dogs.:( But I hope to add another Yorkie to my family....one day.