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harley1 · 12-03-2009, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Cutie_Emmy

I got it about 2 months ago. I am just fine. Really, the swine flu is just another strain of the flu, and they made the vaccine the same way as they make the regular flu shot so there is no reason to say that it wasn't tested enough. There are risks with every vaccine, even the regular flu shot. I' betting more on science than the irrational fears of the public.

As a nurse i couldnt agree more ..very well said..

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Wylie's Mom · 12-03-2009, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Ellie May

I wouldn't tell somebody that they should or shouldn't get it because I'm not a doctor. I would say Google "miscarriages after H1N1 vaccine" and read a bit about it. If the reports are true, then obviously there wasn't nearly enough testing done on this vaccine.

JMO, I would not let the vaccine near me...

You give such good advice...

I can tell you what my sister told me (she is an Internist and Geriatrician; my bach. degree is in Nursing) - we were talking about this vaccine.

As far as flu vaccines...she doesn't like to always give new, fairly un-tested vaccines to her family, herself, or patients. I can't recall why, but she especially felt cautious about the H1N1 vax and that it did not have enough data behind it to ensure it's safety and efficacy -- that it probably wasn't enough to outweigh its risks (currently), for most people.

I won't be getting it, both bc I don't feel I need it - but also bc it wouldn't be good for me at this particular time (my health is being kinda sucky).

angeleyes · 12-03-2009, 10:32 PM

I haven't even been able to get the regular flu shot yet, DH has the car out of town during the week. We are moving next weekend up toward the Minneapolis area so it should be easier to find one. I wouldn't get the H1N1 except for the fact that my immune system sucks with Rheumatoid Arthritis and Diabetes type 2. Now they want to test me for Lupus, what a fun way to live

I also have small grandkids that I'm around and my daughter is pregnant and I don't want to have them catch anything. My Physic (I know, here I go again with the Physic) Says that this flu is not as bad as people are making it out to be. Most people that die from it have unlaying health problems. She said next year will be much worse as the virus has already started to mutate and scientist will have to try and keep up with it. Also, in the first place, they new this virus was coming....why so long to get the vaccine out?

BonBon · 12-04-2009, 05:10 AM

You guys are the best!

I forgot to update yesterday and let everyone know that I did not get the shot. I probably would have if I felt I were in a higher risk category, but given my age and health I decided to take my chances with the virus instead of the vaccine.

JadedSmilez · 12-05-2009, 03:54 AM

All I can say is that I work in the ICU and I have seen several of my pts die who were mostly young and healthy from complications from this H1N1 flu.
I have been working in the ICU for about 11yrs and I have NEVER seen a otherwise healthy person DIE from the seasonal flu. Or, even
placed on a ventilator after being put into ARDS from the seasonal flu w/o
having something secondary like HIV/AIDS, COPD or something like that.
But, I can tell you, if you seen what I have seen with this H1N1 you would think 2x about not taking the vaccine.
They are not telling you guys the truth about what really is going on in the ICUs because I think they dont want to start a panic....

jp4m2 · 12-05-2009, 04:52 AM

Sharyl Attkisson is a CBS News correspondent and investigative reporter and she did an investigation on this "deadly flu epidemic". The CDC would not give her the documents she was requesting pertaining to the swine flu so she had to file through the Freedom of Info. Act to obtain some info and she had to go directly to each state to get around the CDC, who was trying to stonewall her.

Turns out that the vast majority of cases said to be the swine flu are not the flu at all but some other respiratory illness with flu like symptoms! It turns out that 99.9% of the people are not having any serious complications from H1N1,the CDC doesn't want us to know this....People are still not realizing that the mortality statistics for H1N1 are being deceptively reported and are NOT accurate – the vast majority of those who died did most likely not even have the H1N1 virus, but rather succumbed from other viral or bacterial causes and complications.This is just one statement from her three month investigation......

....when you come down with chills, fever, cough, runny nose, malaise and all those other "flu-like" symptoms, the illness is likely caused by influenza at most 17 percent of the time and as little as 3 percent! The other 83 to 97 percent of the time it's caused by other viruses or bacteria.So remember that not every illness that appears to be the flu actually is the flu. In fact, most of the time it's not.

Of those presumed likely swine flu cases out of approximately every hundred of what was tested, only a small fraction were actually swine flu. In every instance, perhaps the biggest number of cases that were swine flu was something like 30%. The smallest number was something like 2% or 3%.

Maybe there’s one state where it was just 1%.

The point is, of the vast majority of the presumed swine flu cases recognized by trained physicians, the vast majority were not flu at all. They weren’t swine flu or regular flu; they were some other sort of upper respiratory infection.”

And here is the clincher that it seems the CDC just doesn’t want the American public to know …

“The CDC explained that one of the reasons they quit counting was because of all the flu that’s out there, most are swine flu. Well, that’s true. Most of the flu that was out there was indeed swine flu, but they failed to say that most of the suspected flu was nothing at all. And I think that’s the caveat the public just didn’t know,” Attkisson explains.

She gives even more striking examples of the numbers the investigative report revealed. For instance:

* In Florida, 83 percent of specimens that were presumed to be swine flu were negative for all flu when tested!
* In California, 86 percent of suspected H1N1 specimens were not swine flu or any flu; only 2 percent were confirmed swine flu.
* In Alaska, 93 percent of suspected swine flu specimens were negative for all flu types; only 1 percent was H1N1 flu.

Why is the CDC still pushing the vaccine when the study by Purdue found that the swine flu has peaked in October! Also from the article.....

....But I wanted to share one final detail, and that is a new study just released by Purdue University researchers and published in the journal Eurosurveillance.

The researchers found that at this point in time any vaccinations that are given in the United States will likely have little effect on the number of infections. The researchers state:

"The model predicts that there will be a significant wave in autumn, with 63% of the population being infected, and that this wave will peak so early that the planned CDC vaccination campaign will likely not have a large effect on the total number of people ultimately infected by the pandemic H1N1 influenza virus."

In other words, infections are predicted to peak in late October (now) and by the end of the year it's estimated that 63 percent of the U.S. population will have been infected with H1N1 swine flu.

What does this mean? By the end of the year the majority of the U.S. population will have likely acquired natural immunity.

Natural immunity is what you gain when you recover from influenza and natural immunity is what is protecting older Americans, who have recovered from exposure to H1N1 strains of influenza in the past and are therefore less susceptible today.

12-03-2009, 10:32 PM	#18
angeleyes YT Addict Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Hugo, MN USA Posts: 325	H1n1 I haven't even been able to get the regular flu shot yet, DH has the car out of town during the week. We are moving next weekend up toward the Minneapolis area so it should be easier to find one. I wouldn't get the H1N1 except for the fact that my immune system sucks with Rheumatoid Arthritis and Diabetes type 2. Now they want to test me for Lupus, what a fun way to live I also have small grandkids that I'm around and my daughter is pregnant and I don't want to have them catch anything. My Physic (I know, here I go again with the Physic) Says that this flu is not as bad as people are making it out to be. Most people that die from it have unlaying health problems. She said next year will be much worse as the virus has already started to mutate and scientist will have to try and keep up with it. Also, in the first place, they new this virus was coming....why so long to get the vaccine out?

12-04-2009, 05:10 AM	#19
BonBon Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: With my yorkies Posts: 10,350	You guys are the best! I forgot to update yesterday and let everyone know that I did not get the shot. I probably would have if I felt I were in a higher risk category, but given my age and health I decided to take my chances with the virus instead of the vaccine. __________________ He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are his life, his love, his leader. He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of his heart. You owe it to him to be worthy of such devotion. -- Author Unknown

12-05-2009, 04:52 AM	#21
jp4m2 Love my Boys Donating Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: w/ my boys Posts: 5,056	Sharyl Attkisson is a CBS News correspondent and investigative reporter and she did an investigation on this "deadly flu epidemic". The CDC would not give her the documents she was requesting pertaining to the swine flu so she had to file through the Freedom of Info. Act to obtain some info and she had to go directly to each state to get around the CDC, who was trying to stonewall her. Turns out that the vast majority of cases said to be the swine flu are not the flu at all but some other respiratory illness with flu like symptoms! It turns out that 99.9% of the people are not having any serious complications from H1N1,the CDC doesn't want us to know this....People are still not realizing that the mortality statistics for H1N1 are being deceptively reported and are NOT accurate – the vast majority of those who died did most likely not even have the H1N1 virus, but rather succumbed from other viral or bacterial causes and complications.This is just one statement from her three month investigation...... ....when you come down with chills, fever, cough, runny nose, malaise and all those other "flu-like" symptoms, the illness is likely caused by influenza at most 17 percent of the time and as little as 3 percent! The other 83 to 97 percent of the time it's caused by other viruses or bacteria.So remember that not every illness that appears to be the flu actually is the flu. In fact, most of the time it's not. Of those presumed likely swine flu cases out of approximately every hundred of what was tested, only a small fraction were actually swine flu. In every instance, perhaps the biggest number of cases that were swine flu was something like 30%. The smallest number was something like 2% or 3%. Maybe there’s one state where it was just 1%. The point is, of the vast majority of the presumed swine flu cases recognized by trained physicians, the vast majority were not flu at all. They weren’t swine flu or regular flu; they were some other sort of upper respiratory infection.” And here is the clincher that it seems the CDC just doesn’t want the American public to know … “The CDC explained that one of the reasons they quit counting was because of all the flu that’s out there, most are swine flu. Well, that’s true. Most of the flu that was out there was indeed swine flu, but they failed to say that most of the suspected flu was nothing at all. And I think that’s the caveat the public just didn’t know,” Attkisson explains. She gives even more striking examples of the numbers the investigative report revealed. For instance: * In Florida, 83 percent of specimens that were presumed to be swine flu were negative for all flu when tested! * In California, 86 percent of suspected H1N1 specimens were not swine flu or any flu; only 2 percent were confirmed swine flu. * In Alaska, 93 percent of suspected swine flu specimens were negative for all flu types; only 1 percent was H1N1 flu. Why is the CDC still pushing the vaccine when the study by Purdue found that the swine flu has peaked in October! Also from the article..... ....But I wanted to share one final detail, and that is a new study just released by Purdue University researchers and published in the journal Eurosurveillance. The researchers found that at this point in time any vaccinations that are given in the United States will likely have little effect on the number of infections. The researchers state: "The model predicts that there will be a significant wave in autumn, with 63% of the population being infected, and that this wave will peak so early that the planned CDC vaccination campaign will likely not have a large effect on the total number of people ultimately infected by the pandemic H1N1 influenza virus." In other words, infections are predicted to peak in late October (now) and by the end of the year it's estimated that 63 percent of the U.S. population will have been infected with H1N1 swine flu. What does this mean? By the end of the year the majority of the U.S. population will have likely acquired natural immunity. Natural immunity is what you gain when you recover from influenza and natural immunity is what is protecting older Americans, who have recovered from exposure to H1N1 strains of influenza in the past and are therefore less susceptible today. __________________ B.J.mom to : Jake J.J. Jack & Joey, momma misses you..... The joy found in the companionship of a pet is a blessing not given to everyone. The two most powerful words when we’re in struggle: me too..

12-05-2009, 03:54 AM	#20
JadedSmilez YT Addict Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Los Angeles, California Posts: 260	All I can say is that I work in the ICU and I have seen several of my pts die who were mostly young and healthy from complications from this H1N1 flu. I have been working in the ICU for about 11yrs and I have NEVER seen a otherwise healthy person DIE from the seasonal flu. Or, even placed on a ventilator after being put into ARDS from the seasonal flu w/o having something secondary like HIV/AIDS, COPD or something like that. But, I can tell you, if you seen what I have seen with this H1N1 you would think 2x about not taking the vaccine. They are not telling you guys the truth about what really is going on in the ICUs because I think they dont want to start a panic....