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crystalsmom 07-18-2009 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by yorkie_mama22 (Post 2717246)
I think you should look up what a Bull terrier is, sometimes they go by the name of "english bull terriers". This is NOTHING like a pit bull or a staffy. Yes a pit and staffy look the same and I probably wouldn't be able to tell the difference but my bully is NOTHING like that breed. I think you are misunderstanding. Sorry if I come off rude but I don't believe my child is in harms way. There is chances we all take having ANY type of dog and a child. This is why we go to find a breeder who knows what they are doing and aren't breeding "fighting dogs". Bull terriers don't fight other dogs like pitbulls can. Like I mentioned mine is very mellow and she has not even shown aggression towards dogs. It's all in how you raise your dog.
The bull terrier is also referred to the "DON CHERRY DOG". Big snout.

I also don't mean to be rude either but this is what i found and you are saying it is a English Bull Terrier.

If I were considering a Bull Terrier...

My major concerns would be:
Providing enough exercise and mental stimulation. Bull Terriers, whether Standard or Miniature, are very active dogs who MUST have regular opportunities to vent their high energy and to use their busy minds to do interesting things. Otherwise they will become rambunctious and bored -- which they usually express by destructive chewing. Bored Bull Terriers are famous for chewing through drywall, ripping the stuffing out of sofas, and turning your yard into a moonscape of giant craters.
If you simply want a pet for your family, and don't have the time or inclination to take your dog running or hiking or biking or swimming, or to get involved in weight-pulling, or agility (obstacle course), or advanced obedience, or tracking, or a similar canine activity, I do not recommend these breeds.

Bounciness. Young Bull Terriers (up to about three years old) can be bulls in a china shop. When they romp and jump, they do so with great vigor, and things can go flying, including people.
If you have small children, or if you or anyone who lives with you is elderly or infirm, I do not recommend Bull Terrier puppies, especially the Standard size. The temptation to play roughly is simply too strong in many young Bull Terriers.

Providing enough socialization. Many Bull Terriers love everyone, but some have protective instincts toward strangers. All Bull Terriers need extensive exposure to friendly people so they learn to recognize the normal behaviors of "good guys." Then they can recognize the difference when someone acts abnormally. Without careful socialization, they may be suspicious of everyone, which could lead to biting. Some Bull Terriers go in the opposite direction -- without enough socialization, they become fearful of strangers, which can lead to defensive biting.

Animal aggression. Many Bull Terriers, especially the Standard size, will not tolerate another dog of the same sex. Some won't tolerate the opposite sex, either. Many Bull Terriers, both Standard and Miniature, have strong instincts to chase and seize cats and other fleeing creatures. If anything goes wrong in the breeding, socializing, training, handling, or management of these breeds, they are capable of seriously injuring or killing other animals.

The strong temperament. Bull Terriers are not Golden Retrievers. They have an independent mind of their own and are not pushovers to raise and train. They can be manipulative, and many are willful, obstinate, and dominant (they want to be the boss) and will make you prove that you can make them do things. You must show them, through absolute consistency, that you mean what you say.
To teach your Bull Terrier to listen to you, "Respect Training" is mandatory. My Bull Terrier Training Page discusses the program you need.

Shedding. Bull Terriers shed much

crystalsmom 07-18-2009 08:50 AM

For some reason when I copied and pasted the yellow sections did not copy and since they are in yellow, the author feels it most important. I really didn't want to continue this any further and think the O.P should get this back but I do want you to see this and maybe I can relax about this a little more. I am sorry about Stormy and I don't want you to have more heartache.

English Bull Terriers: What's Good About 'Em? What's Bad About 'Em?

nesha 07-18-2009 09:08 AM

Wow a lot is going on with this post lol good luck

bchgirl 07-18-2009 09:10 AM

Does anyone remember Spuds Mackenzie? He was the dog used in budweizer commericals. He was a bull terrier. They don't even look like stafforshire or pit bull terriers.

http://www.breederretriever.com/phot...ll_terrier.jpg

Staffordshire bull terriers were imported to the US. Two strains of dogs develop....the show strain was called American Staffordshire Terrier...and the fighting strain Pit Bull Terrier. They are considered two seperate breeds.

Julie1760 07-18-2009 09:13 AM

oh, never mind.....

magsy17 07-18-2009 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by crystalsmom (Post 2717334)
For some reason when I copied and pasted the yellow sections did not copy and since they are in yellow, the author feels it most important. I really didn't want to continue this any further and think the O.P should get this back but I do want you to see this and maybe I can relax about this a little more. I am sorry about Stormy and I don't want you to have more heartache.

English Bull Terriers: What's Good About 'Em? What's Bad About 'Em?

Yes just like any other dog it is how you raise the dog and teach them. Bull Terriers are a bit on the hyper side and are clumsy but a half an hour to an hour of daily walks take care of that you can ask any trainer or behaviorist. My Snoopy went to basic training with my at the time 3lb Maltese. Here is a picture of the "vicious" Snoopy don't you just want to kiss that nose!:D
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Rerun201 07-18-2009 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by yorkie_mama22 (Post 2716793)
If you really need to know, you could simply PM me and ask privately but since you'd like your answer public here it goes, but I will say first off it really isn't any of your business but since inquiring minds would like to know.

Yes a few days ago I was a mess, I lost my beloved dog and was thinking about rehoming this dog. Wouldn't any normal person think that? I had anger, sadness and guilt working inside of my head, I didn't know what to think. We have come to the conclusion instead of getting rid of this dog and putting our family through more saddness we will do what we can to fix the problem. Getting this dog was a LIFE COMMITMENT. If we can't fix her issues and she is a danger then she will be placed in the appropriate home. Secondly it has been mentioned before but this was something we were thinking about PREVIOUSLY before this accident happen. There is no need for you to be concerned about my child. This dog has NOT shown any type of aggression. There was research done and this isn't some dog we picked up who knows where. She isn't a "PITBULL" she is a BULL TERRIER, these are two different breeds, and yes they are strong dogs, but that doesn't make them bad dogs. They don't have the kind of rep that a pitbull does, these dogs aren't ones that just "attack". If you read up about them these are big goofy dogs that are very loyal to their ENTIRE family, they are GREAT with children. And with proper training make very good family pets. It just so happens that my fiancee loves this breed, he has been looking into owning one for about 6 months before he brought her home. These aren't "vicious" dogs and they will avoid conflict at best. I read a story about a Bully and a small breed dog, where the small breed dog was bothering the bull terrier, the bully instead of attacking or hurting the dog simply picked the dog up and put him in a trash can just so he could avoid the conflict.

I also mentioned I am now regularly speaking with a very nice bull terrier breeder. We have discussed MY dog, and possible options with her and we both feel best that she would do well with some training courses and that once she she has another heat cycle or two she will mature and "cool down" with her rough play. As well she has shared great information and tips on how to deal with my bully. I also know it's best not to mix a male bull terrier with another male dog, females do best with other females or males.

I am not looking to be a "breeder", we would be interested in having a litter and seeing how this goes. This is why I am getting the information I need to make a good decision whether or not to go about this, I am finding out the proper testing that needs to be done with these dogs as well as I am going to attend shows with my dog in hopes of meeting the right people to guide me.

This really isn't a bad dog, she is very sweet and loving, she has not shown any issues, she isn't what you are sort of making her seem like some kind of horrible dog. Her only problem is rough playing, but again she is a puppy and learning. We are going to do what we can to fix this issue. She is extremely smart and learns very quickly so I am sure it won't be an issue to correct this. Of course they need alot of dicipline because they can tend to be stubborn.

I hope this is good enough for you?

If this dog has "not shown any aggression" and "hasn't shown any issues", how do you explain what happened to Stormy the last time?? I'm sorry, but I have heard toooo many people state how their dog never hurt anyone, is gentle, raised with kids, blah blah, and then mysteriously, with no warning, they attack. They're always good gentle dogs right up until the first bite.

yorkie_mama22 07-18-2009 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Rerun201 (Post 2717386)
If this dog has "not shown any aggression" and "hasn't shown any issues", how do you explain what happened to Stormy the last time?? I'm sorry, but I have heard toooo many people state how their dog never hurt anyone, is gentle, raised with kids, blah blah, and then mysteriously, with no warning, they attack. They're always good gentle dogs right up until the first bite.


I don't mean to streal the thread from this lady as some of you insist to do so, if you'd like PM me and I will gladly explain what happen to her if you need me too explain again. But of course you have already made your mind up about this breed so it doesn't really need any explaining. :rolleyes:

Britster 07-18-2009 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 2716857)
I would never trust any big dog with a child. I have heard too many horror stories of dogs attacking children they have been raised with. When my daughter was 3 years old she was attacked by my in-laws basset hound because she tried to crawl in his dog house. She had to have 3 stitches in her eye lid. She was lucky she did not lose an eye.

Also, a few years about my daughter had an American Staffordshire Bull Terrier and he was so friendly to everyone and other dogs. Well one evening their neighbor come over carrying a small Pom that the Staff was familiar with but for some reason the Staff grabbed the Pom and locked his jaws on the poor little dog. My daughter could not get the Staff to let go and it was not until the neighbors husband walked in the door and yelled at the Staff then he let go. Fortunately the Pom survived.

I don't think that's very fair to trust NO big dogs around children? That just seems a little much to single out "big" dogs. I've met many many many more little dogs in my life who were mean to other dogs and children than big dogs. The "small dog syndrome" is often a problem... growing up, I was nipped and bit at by nearly every small dog I encountered. Never, ever, a bigger dog.

Britster 07-18-2009 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 2717152)
My youngest daughter's friend has a lab mix that is several years old and a few months ago my daughter was bragging about how gentle the dog was and that he would never hurt a flea. Well, just a few days after that my daughter was outside her apartment with the dog and she was talking to her neighbor. The neighbor had a little boy around 5 years old and the boy kept running up to the dog, yelling in his face. Melissa kept telling the boy to stop but the kid did it one to many times and the dog bit him. So no matter how gentle you think a dog is they all have a breaking point.

It makes me sick when people tell me 'Oh, my dog is so gentle the kids can climb all over him and pull his ears and the dog just lets them' :eek: What the heck are these people thinking. You should never let a child do that to a dog, no matter how gentle they are. It just takes a split second for tragedy to strike.

Well, yeah, of course that dog would bite, lol. Do you blame him? I agree, you should never ever let a child constantly be up in a dogs face, etc. That's just crazy and not responsible.

Jackson is very good with children and at home there's a 1 1/2 year old that we live with... she puts her hands in his food bowl while he's eating, etc, she can do anything to him and he literally does NOT care. However, we don't allow it, sometimes it just happens by accident. If we see the baby going to do such a thing, we immediately put a stop to it. But I think ANY dog will snap, just as you said, they all have a breaking point.

bjh 07-18-2009 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Britster (Post 2717445)
I don't think that's very fair to trust NO big dogs around children? That just seems a little much to single out "big" dogs. I've met many many many more little dogs in my life who were mean to other dogs and children than big dogs. The "small dog syndrome" is often a problem... growing up, I was nipped and bit at by nearly every small dog I encountered. Never, ever, a bigger dog.

I agree with you, I know many small dogs can bite but I have never heard of a small dog mauling a child or adult to death. As for small dogs, I think children are hazardous to them. I have heard many instances of a child hurting or killing a small dog accidentally. I think it is wonderful for children to grow up with dogs but it is the parents responsibility, for the safely of the child and the dog, that children be taught how to treat a dog. Alpha dogs can lash out at a child over a toy or food just as they would another dog. Not all dogs are suitable to be around children. The purpose of us concerned ones posting is just so people are aware that dangers do exist. Owners should always use caution with any dog, no matter how trusted, when they are around children.

Rerun201 07-18-2009 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by yorkie_mama22 (Post 2717441)
I don't mean to streal the thread from this lady as some of you insist to do so, if you'd like PM me and I will gladly explain what happen to her if you need me too explain again. But of course you have already made your mind up about this breed so it doesn't really need any explaining. :rolleyes:

Your sarcasm is really not necessary. I don't need a PM to have anything explained to me. Reading over what poor Stormy went through in her life was quite enough. I don't have my mind made up over the breed, I don't care what breed you're discussing. Stormy endured more than most dogs would ever go through, and in the end, she was alone with this dog and died. Regardless of what the breed is, stating that the dog had no issues is denial in the highest form.

yorkie_mama22 07-18-2009 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Rerun201 (Post 2717461)
Your sarcasm is really not necessary. I don't need a PM to have anything explained to me. Reading over what poor Stormy went through in her life was quite enough. I don't have my mind made up over the breed, I don't care what breed you're discussing. Stormy endured more than most dogs would ever go through, and in the end, she was alone with this dog and died. Regardless of what the breed is, stating that the dog had no issues is denial in the highest form.


As I mentioned, if you have an issue PM and we can discuss it, this isn't my thread and it sure isn't about me, my dogs or big dogs at all. This was about a lady buying a Maltese, I think we can respect this lady and start a new thread or move on. You have your own opinions but you look fairly new here and don't know me or my dog(s). So keep your rude comments to yourselve. I know my mom taught me if you don't have anything nice to say don't say it at all, especially if you don't know the person you have no right to pass judgment in the direction you are trying to go.

Lexismom09 07-18-2009 12:57 PM

I haven't been on here in a long time. I got a message to post here and be active again. I guess I have nothing nice to say, so.......

crystalsmom 07-18-2009 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Lexismom09 (Post 2717518)
I haven't been on here in a long time. I got a message to post here and be active again. I guess I have nothing nice to say, so.......

What?? I wish you would let Adm. know who emailed you. Also welcome back but not a great way to get you back.


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