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02-19-2009, 08:28 PM | #1 |
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| What is going on?! What in the world is the deal with all the intersex babies?! LOL I know...random, huh? I am a family studies and human services major- In one of my classes, I am reading the book "As Nature Made Him" which is about a baby, who after a horrible circumcision accident, was raised as a girl. THEN, in my Human Sexuality class today, we discussed intersex babies and went into a huge lecture over the difference between sex and gender. And FINALLY, I was just watching Private Practice on ABC and what do you know, Addison delivered an intersex baby and the couple had to decide a sex for the baby!.
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02-20-2009, 06:55 AM | #2 | |
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02-20-2009, 07:36 AM | #3 |
I ♥ Joey & Ralphie! Donating Member | This isn't really new at all, maybe more publicized. In the past, if a baby was born with uncertain genitalia, it was thought better to "decide" which sex it was, and this choice was always a girl because it's easier to reconstruct the feminine anatomy than the male. However, many of these "girls" were furious when they learned what happened to them. Parents have a difficult choice at birth, they have to decide if it's better to have the child have dubious genitalia throughout childhood, and let the child make the choice at the appropriate age or just make that choice for them. I find it difficult to believe that so many believe our genitalia is what determines our gender identity. We have several methods of identify sex, first our gender identity, that's our intuitive thoughts on what we are, then there is the physical attributes such as genitalia, and other body differences, and we also have chromosomes XX for male and XY for female. Someone could be born with the chromosomes XX for male, the physical attributes of a female, and the gender identity of either male or female, because gender identity is linked to what happening in the brain including how hormones affect the brain prenatally, as well as our personal experiences. Humans like things in nice neat little packages, male or female, but the world is much more complex than that. I probably should add, there is also your sexual orientation, and that would be which sex you're attracted to.
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02-20-2009, 08:24 AM | #4 | |
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02-20-2009, 08:43 AM | #5 | |
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In the case of the baby in the circumcision accident, he was born a healthy male (XY chromosomes). During the accident, his genitalia were burnt off. Dr. Money convinced the family that female reconstruction was the best way to go because the technology didn't exist yet to recreate male structures. This is where the whole Nature vs. Nurture debate began. Dr. Money believed that the environment you were raised in solely dictates your gender identity. By the age of 4, the baby called (Brenda or Bruce depending) already knew that something wasn't right with his/her body. When she turned 15, the parents allowed her to make the switch back to male and eventually he told his story to a reporter that turned it into a book. I'm not entirely sure I would recommend As Nature Made Him to anyone that doesn't have to read the book for a class, etc. however it is truly eye opening. Nikki, to answer your question about XXY, yes it is possible and so is a whole range of chromosome abnormalities. I'm on campus at the moment and don't have my sexuality textbook with me so I can't give details at the moment...but Yes, it is possible.
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02-20-2009, 08:52 AM | #6 | |
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I'm just surprised male doctors automatically think if the penis is damaged, you might as well be a girl.
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02-20-2009, 10:12 AM | #7 | |
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Whoops I said that wrong, the female is XX and the male is XY.
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02-20-2009, 10:47 AM | #8 |
I ♥ Joey & Ralphie! Donating Member | I had to look this up in my old Bio-psych book, and learned that John Money seemed to be the primary advocate of this "turn them into girls", and raise them that way. At the time my book was printed, Money was quoted as saying "she is developing a normal female identity and role, though with strong tomboyish tendencies. It will be interesting to observe what happens when she reaches the age of romantic interest." I'm so glad you brought this to my intention, I wondered what would happen, and I'm very sorry to hear of the tragic results. Is there still a nature vs. nurture debate going on? Seems like most had decided both components are extremely important, but I lean toward nature. For those interested here's more information on the boy, David Reimer. Why did David Reimer commit suicide? - By John Colapinto - Slate Magazine. Although this case was publicized, I don't believe it's all that rare.
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02-20-2009, 06:27 PM | #9 |
Donating YT Addict | i seen that on private practice too. I was wondering if it was a common thing or has it been kept private all these years.
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02-20-2009, 07:24 PM | #10 |
Donating YT 7000 Club Member | This is what we're getting into in my Biology class right now! I'm so not into science, but this part is fascinating to me! With all the things that can go wrong, it's amazing that anyone is born healthy!
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02-20-2009, 07:51 PM | #11 |
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| Wow! You learn something new everyday! lol Thanks, Julie, for starting this thread, and thanks, Nancy, for all the information.
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