Flour Power VS Peta
 

I saw this posted on the internet and wondered what others thought about it?
The girls name is Samantha Ronson and she is dating/friends with Lindsey Lohan. Here is the article:


Samantha Ronson



Flour Power


Saturday, November 15th, 2008

I posted a blog last week that angered some people who didn't know how to read properly, I then wasted my own time defending myself and now I regret that.

There is a fine line that distinguishes the difference between exercising our freedom of expression and offending others, for example the debate regarding freedom of speech vs. hate speech.... i feel that this principle should apply to protestors also. It's a pity that some groups feel the need to assault people as opposed to fighting with words.

Whenever I feel the need to vent about something that feels unfair to me I reach for my computer, I don't run out of the house with abusive intentions. I don't expect everyone to react the same way, but I do expect people to respect each other. Maybe that's my first mistake? It seems lately I am learning that there are too many people who put another species before their fellow man and that's sad. I don't wear fur, but I don't think I have the right to ATTACK those who do. No one has that right.

PETA should focus their efforts on educating people on what they believe are injustices instead of seeking press via harassing those in the limelight. I received an apology too many days late from the PETA folks (the blog removal was too little too late) and today I'm pissed at the bag of flour thrown on Lindsay last night. Not because I got powdered down, but because the girl who threw it acted like an animal herself. I take that back, it's an insult to animals to group her in with them, my dog is FAR more civilized than that person. I would have more respect for them if they didn't use other people to get their point across. Lindsay, Mary Kate, Ashley Olsen, Anna Wintour and the rest of the targeted celebrities aren't the problem, I'm pretty sure they're not the only ones wearing fur, in fact, they should be appreciated by PETA for giving them a target. If it weren't for them, who would get them press?????

I know I'm probably going to get a lot of angry emails in response, but I don't really care. I got enough last week for no reason so I'm more than happy to ignore the nastiness after seeing what I saw last night. I'm not about to throw on a fur coat in retaliation, but had I had one within reach, I'm not sure I would have walked away from it.

p.s. when was the last time you saw an animal attack one of its own in defense of a human? hmmmmm..... that's one to grow on!

p.s.s. i think there are plenty of families that could have used that flour for a meal. nice job, lady.

Well. I do not agree on wearing fur. But I think throwing a bag of flour on someone is quite an offense. Physical offense, in fact.

You know what.. I think there should be a law that forbid people to wear fur, not just a law to protect the animals. We are in the 21st century, we do not hunt animals anymore to clothe ourselves, and maybe this is just me, but I find the act of throwing fur on your back as a fashion statement is tasteless and disgusting.

But of course, Sam Ronson is biased. She's a celebrity herself. Lindsay is her alleged lover. I believe, yes, we should reprimand celebrities that wear fur because they glamorize it, no? Monkey see, monkey do. There's a reason why celebs now are on every kind of adverts on the planet. THEY HAVE THAT POWER. They should use it wisely. They can take up any cause at all to bring good word and publicity on it, but what do they do? Create controversies.

This is why I stopped reading gossip sites/blogs.

hehehe I read a lot of Eonline...
PETA's wrong. But...
I don't like Samantha Ronson's continual dismissal of animals. She keeps on saying (in other articles, as well) that people treat animals better than humans. REALLY? Is that why we are taking their habitat? Is that why we are milling poor innocent dogs? Is that why the farming industry is generally so callous to its animals?
She got mad that in California they passed some bill for treating farm animals humanely--- and that they passed prop 8 (which i have no opinion in regards to that and this is not my point...so bear with me!) She said that was treating animals better than fellow man... ummm animals are being tortured in those farms...they DESERVE that. It's a matter of them being tortured unnecessarily and being in immense pain.... I don't like how dismissive she is towards animals.

Ok. I'm done lol :rolleyes: I just :love: animals more than anything/one other than God. :)

Peta talks for the animals who cannot talk for themselves,I am sure that they protest everywhere and not just around Celebrities.Celebrities play a huge role in todays society and therefore should be positive role models,how many people have bought a Chihuhaua just because Paris Hilton has Tinkerbell and then dumped them because she got a Yorkie?

Everyone hates people who wear fur so why do the insist on continuing to do this.Yes they shouldn't throw flour at her but at least it will wash off and wasn't blood or paint.

Who cares if their feelings are hurt animals are helpless and cannot protest for themselves.You don't see a Bear walking around wearing the latest Lindsay Lohan coat or Samantha Ronson boots.I saw a horrific e-mail about how they skin puppies alive so she can go take a long leap off a cliff.Everyone should support animal welfare organisations.

Do we really need another law? Wearing fur is a personal choice - whether we agree with it or not. I, personally, do not wear fur but I have a leather jacket and I eat meat.

I saw that video... it is really, really, really disgusting. I almost got sick...

Eating meat is one thing... it's survival and we can't go without eating and it's not so much wearing the fur that's the problem... the problem is the way the animals are being treated... like it's one thing if the animal was killed for food or had died naturally to have their fur for "clothing" as it is beautiful and the fur would just be discarded anyways, but to torture an animal and use it JUST for their fur is what should be outlawed.

Why not? We all cry about having more laws to protect animals, why not one that forbids us to wear fur? It will help protect the animals after all. Salvaging is one thing. Fur is associated with "glam" and "money" since only the rich can afford the exotic furs. That is what's wrong.

I eat meat. I do not have leather clothing but I don't really have a strong opinion about it. If we kill and eat cows then why not use the whole animal? I, however, find that leather seats are quite gross, and wrong. I cannot understand it myself but there you go. If eating meat yet not agreeing that fur should be used as a fashion statement makes me a hypocrite, so be it.

I guess what I'm saying here is that to wear fur to be "fashionable" is what's wrong in my eyes. It is forbidden to go into the States carrying exotic animal parts like elephant tusks, and tiger pelts. So to glamorize any kinds of fur at all is a step on the wrong direction, don't you think?

Don't get me wrong, I am not reprimanding countries or laws. I am only saying that if governments are really interested in stopping animal cruelty, maybe this is one way to go about it. We all know puppy mills are wrong but how are we going to stop it without the law going into it? Are we supposed to let people's awareness be the.. well, the be all and end all?

I am not very well informed in this issue so I am not going to yell and scream "WEAR FUR AND BURN" sort of thing. What I am interested in is, how DO we stop animal cruelty without the law stating it's wrong?

If I have composed my points rather badly, I apologize. It is 4 AM. :)

I think it's good for her, i do not like her and i do not like when ppl wear fur. Either way she took the flour right off and posed for cameras right after, i wish it were paint.

:eyetearss

I can see her point, especially about the prop 8 thing, JMO. I does seem like animals get more attention than some human related causes. To be perfectly honest, I'm probably guilty about caring more about animal too. People in general can speak out and help themselves, even if a lot of them are content to just sit around and whine about their circumstances. (I'm talking about adults in America.) As for the fur thing, I personally don't wear fur or plan to in the future. However, I own leather jackets and leather shoes, so I would feel hypocritical for condemning those that wear fur.

I am no fan of PETA. They are a bunch of fanatics, that again IMO, do more to set back animal welfare. There are a lot of people who hear about anti-cruelty, anti-tethering laws, anti-puppymills, and just dismiss it as some crazy PETA cause. Even the reputable show breeders are leary of any anti-puppymill campaign/legislation b/c they are afraid PETA is behind it.

Ditto on that statement.... there were a few very good valid points made here!:eek: I guess to each their own!

I dont' agree... humans in America don't have to go through (as a whole) such injustice... it would be totally unacceptable if they did.
With animals---they suffer abuse quietly---they don't have a voice. If people cared more about animals they wouldn't be suffering so much!
Prop 8 has to do with marraige rights.... the animal law has to do with combatting suffering. To me it's a piece of paper (especially since there are civil unions---which i don't get why the difference is... if that is allowed, then so should marraige I guess) vs. pain.

And I hate FUR. I just think that PETA makes themselves look like loonie toons when they pull things like this. It makes people less open minded to their cause.
BTW I hate PETA for what they do to dogs.

JMO

Chrissy

Would you say that owning and operating a puppy mill is a personal choice-whether we agree with it or not; therefore, we don't need a law against them? :confused:

You know girl, we just might think alike!! :lol tears:

I love animals don't get me wrong, but the idea that humans don't face such injustice is wrong. It is just a different spectrum. I wish that there was such a terrible uproar for the type of things that human beings have to deal with every day.

I will admit I am terribly biased. I don't understand why ppl aren't that violently angry about denying someone equal rights, sexual abuse, and any other form of violence that millions of human beings experience as their daily reality.

I don't agree with wearing fur.

They were trying to get world wide publicity and they succeeded.

:goodpost:

Oh Dear....

A couple points.


1. I do not like lindsey lohan.

2. I do not wear fur, however I have a leather purse, leather wallet, leather belts. leather boots, and my car has leather interior.

3. I eat meat Very often

4. As humans I believe it is our responsibility to to take care of animals. I also think that activist groups are a great way to make people aware of the animal cruelty problem.


5. I do not think what happened with Lindsey Lohan was okay, even though it was only flour ha. It is not okay to "attack" people who make choices that they are entitled to make, even if we have different morals. For example, In my opinion it would not be okay to throw meat at a vegetarian, or condoms on a pregnant teen, or to yell and scream at someone for using un recycled toilet paper.

6. If you want to make difference as an activist then make a difference, dont go around attacking people. Protest in a Humanely, you will gain more respect this way.
Everyone needs to respect HUMAN and ANIMAL rights as well as try to better our world. It can be done without throwing flour all over the place.

7. I GUARANTEE that Samantha's argument would be completely different if lindsey lohan was the activist throwing flour on people. She is only standing up for her cause they are involved.

I'm not sure that's an accurate comparison. I think rather, the decision to buy a puppy from a puppy mill would be the issue. And that is a decision made a lot of times out of lack of knowledge on who to buy from, etc. So yes, there should be laws forbidding that because most buyers (until they find sites like these that shed some light on the subject) don't know any better...all they see are cute puppies to buy in pictures!

also, using such harshly opinionated words as disgusting, etc. - is in an indirect way casting the same feelings on a person as throwing paint on them. i don't really think it's fair to judge any one else - period. of course you are entitled to your opinion - but i always fall back on every mother's favorite adage, "if you don't have anything nice to say..." i'm sure yall know where that's going :) and trust me, you never really learn the humility behind that until you make that mistake! rather than judge someone for what they are doing, try to see things from their point of view - take a walk in their shoes...or just move on.

I stand with fur wearing to be a personal decision - one in which the government or laws really have no place. Like the others before have posted - yes, I eat meat, wear leather, and take medicine. I know you are probably wondering what that last one has to do with anything, but a lot of people don't realize medicines and treatments don't just happen, they aren't just discovered (with the exception of penicillin!). Everyone wishes for the cure for cancer - how do you think we are looking for it???

I have spent most of my summers, and working years before going back to school in a cancer research lab. And as unpleasant as it is, most of the research is done on mice and rats. I'm sure some of yall are probably horrified at the idea that I would/could agree with this, but honestly, given the choice between injecting cancer into a mouse and figuring out the most effective treatment, or telling parents their child has cancer, and will die because we haven't looked for a curative medicine - I think the decision is clear. Same for any of our dogs - big or small - god forbid anything should happen - i'm not going to deny treatment because of the history behind it - especially knowing the millions it has and will cure.

my point is - leave it to the individual in whether they want to wear something or not, or eat a certain way (as long as it's not clotting arteries!) - or live a certain lifestyle...that's the beauty of democracy- we have that choice.

If you were refering to my post where I used the word "disgusting" I think you should reread the post I quoted. I was talking about a video... and what happened to those animals was absolutely AWFUL. I'm not going into details here, because it is very sickening and cruel, and is not good for someone with a weak stomach. But if you'd like I can PM you with details and I'm sure you'll change your mind when you accuse me of the equality of throwing paint on someone for my choice of words. :)

I think that people are very angry about all those things. Very. It's a common subject covered widely on tv.
Farm Animals? Puppymills? Not so much. I have met sooo many people who don't even know what a puppymill is.
And I have faced descrimination for being an indian-irish woman ... however, I don't think that is worse than or equivilent to an animal being abused.
I guess we have to agree to dissagree. But I don't doubt your love for animals and thanks for keeping this convo civil.

I was not referring to your post. I don't deny the cruelty involved, nor do I want details :) I appreciate your sensitivity to the issue, but no, it was not an accusation towards the video. If you reread the previous posts there were other accusations about the choice in wearing fur being disgusting. I found that harsh.

I am about the most animal friendly guy in the world (no fur, no hunting, dont eat any meat..), but no one deserves to be harassed like that just because they are a celeb IMO.

The post from Lindsey's girl friend is stupid, however, and I can only assume she was being symbolic in her comparison of Californians voting against gay marriage and for animal rights. As other posters have picked up on, these two things are not in the same category and animals cannot defend themselves so people with a conscious have to. That doesnt mean animals are more or less important than people.

We dog owners (and maybe even more so precious yorkie owners) may be more attune to animal rights issues, and we know these animals are intelligent and have feelings, but lets not forget that our pets eat meat and PETA would probably be against us not feed our dogs vegetarian diets, even if that endangered their health. There is a fine line between libertarianism and amorality. That is, dont restrict the rights of others to make their own decisions about what is moral and what isnt, but there is a line that society shouldn't cross.

Samantha Ronson is an idiot herself, and the only reason she "reaches for her computer" is because she has no courage to talk to any magazines or do any interviews and say how she really feels. She's just upset because Lindsay Lohan won't even claim her!

Honestly, I think PETA should be spending their time and evergy "attacking" the people who are out there killing these animals and making these clothes with fur. Throwing flour/paint/blood on celebrities does nothing to draw attention to their cause. It just makes them look like a bunch of loons. I mean you don't see all the people who voted yes on Prob 8 throwing bibles at gay people. Peta isn't out there throwing things on celebrities who wear leather shoes, or regular people for that matter.

I don't believe in wearing real fur when fake fur can look as good as the real thing. But, I do have leather seats in my car, leather purses and shoes, and I also eat meat. No, we don't need meet to survive or else vegetarians would all be dead. And don't tell me that my meat was nicely put to sleep, because we all know that's not the case, and our chickens get their head chopped off, so that's definately not humane.

I guess my point in this is that PETA should start reaising awareness about how the fur was obtained, rather than throwing things at people. The celebrity didn't go out and kill the animal, they just bought the coat that someone else made with the fur that someone else killed.

We are all yorkie lovers, but we don't go around bashing people who bought their yorkies from a puppy mill or petshop. We live and we leave and we make choices. Sometimes those aren't the best choices, or others won't agree with them, but that's what makes us humans, and that's what makes this america.

lol its so true! That girl always wears fur, she even stole a fur coat from someone else!

Oh my gosh, she did??
I think people who wear fur is CONTRIBUTING to the harm and torture of animals. Yes, I know that they themselves didn't do it, but it doesn't make it right in my eyes. If no one would buy the fur, there would not be a demand for it. And I feel PETA may go overboard at times, but they are making people aware and thats all that matters to me ;)

I agree, they are bringing attention to it. I personally dont even like the look of fur on ppl, i think it looks stupid, but ppl have diff. styles. The thing is faux fur looks identical, why not just get fake fur? I have a faux fur throw and its soo warm, i dont need real fur and wouldnt want an animal to die just for me to wear it

Sarah, your too young but, The Price is Right game show used to have as prizes long fur coats. Once Bob Barker realized the pain and suffering that went with that coat, he had his models stop wearing them and they were no longer given away as prizes. Of course he used to also say after each show was to help pet population by spaying and neutering. He became educated about it and he made the change. :thumbup:

I second that.

Anyway, I think that by her just posting that silly blog, she's giving PeTA exactly what they want. Attention.

And we all know that when PeTA's not in the spotlight doing something to get attention; they're not happy. Why do you think they pour flour and paint on celebs and not normal people walking down the streets? No one's gonna care if Jane Doe gets red paint splattered all over her new rabbit coat. But, when it happens to Lindsay Lohan- the press is all over it.

I'm a vegetarian. I don't wear fur. I don't wear leather. But, I think that if someone else wants to- that's on them. I don't agree with killing animals for fur- because we're past that and we have much better ways of keeping warm now. But, I'm not going to go to the Grammies and pour red paint on everyone that's wearing fur.

And, anyway, I don't think gay marriage and farming can be compared? I don't know. Last I checked, they were totally different issues. I'm all for gay marriage and upset that California voted it out- but, I'm not so upset that I would be angry about Prop 8. I'm sorry. I just don't see how people care about animals more. I see how SOME people do. But, why can't we all just live and let live? If someone loves animals more than humans; what's so wrong with that? :confused: