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sammiz 08-13-2008 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Marina (Post 2180110)
Why should this thread be CLOSED? If you dont like what is being discussed then do not participate. No one is forcing you to check in...

Some of us however, check in on a regular basis because we are concerned about Emma. She is, after all, the reason this thread was started and I hope to be able to follow her story and see her thrive.

It is unfortunate that this is what hapened BUT not everyone comes in here looking for controversy... Why is Dena NOT ALLOWED to share with others what she is going through?? Im sure all the kind words and prayers in the first few days really helped her out and kept her going...

Dena... if you are still readin these posts.. please dont give up on YT. Many of us really do care about this baby and would love to keep getting updates.
Yes. I am in agreement with this, I do not believe it should be closed either. I have seen other threads that have needed closing. I have reported a few myself. But I honestly do not see why this one should be closed.

I believe there are many, many more that would want it to remain open. I am hoping that the majority would be considered in this instance.

Actually, I should have been at work already. I guess I will have to wait until tonight to see the outcome. If it is closed, I will be heartbroken and oh, so very sad.

BamaFan121s 08-13-2008 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Marina (Post 2180110)
Why should this thread be CLOSED? If you dont like what is being discussed then do not participate. No one is forcing you to check in...

Some of us however, check in on a regular basis because we are concerned about Emma. She is, after all, the reason this thread was started and I hope to be able to follow her story and see her thrive.

It is unfortunate that this is what hapened BUT not everyone comes in here looking for controversy...
I think it was suggested that the thread be closed because of the way the previous one regarding a very similar situation turned out.

EVERYONE here is concerned for sweet little Emma. I don't see where anyone has posted that is not concerned for her. Likewise, though people have a right to question the situation if they suspect something just doesn't sound right and everything just doesn't add up.

bchgirl 08-13-2008 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by sammiz (Post 2180090)
No it doesn't send it into the babies lungs. There is no nasal passage on that side. Read it. The information is all there.

Since Emma went to the vet right away, I believe that Dena is seeing to her care responsibly. Until I see her post that she will not take the pup to the vet, since she did it right in the beginning, I am sure she will continue.
Nasal passages connect at the back...while she may not physically have but one...it's connected with the opposite side at the back. The sole reason for tube feeding is so puppy does not aspirate the milk into it's lungs. That is why cleft puppies can not feed...

She's already said...she will not take her back to her vet's.

chachi 08-13-2008 03:28 PM
I dont think it should be closed either. For people wanting to check on Emma or pray for Emma this should be the place. I do wish when people raise legitimate concerns on here they wouldnt be attacked. Also when someone asks a question to dena it would be nice if others would let her answer it. I dont know why she cant answer questions posed to her.

SexyJessi257 08-13-2008 03:30 PM
ok i havent read this thread in a couple of hours but im not too happy about wats goin on.. I read about people having diff opinions but what's goin on?? I understand that people have their opinions but new need positive thoughts right now. Dena is doing the best that she could to care for this baby.

sammiz 08-13-2008 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 2180139)
Nasal passages connect at the back...while she may not physically have but one...it's connected with the opposite side at the back. The sole reason for tube feeding is so puppy does not aspirate the milk into it's lungs. That is why cleft puppies can not feed...

She's already said...she will not take her back to her vet's.
I am extremely familiar with cleft palate. My daughter was born with both a cleft lip and a cleft palate and to this day, I have avidly kept up on anything that has been discovered since her birth. They still don't know why it happens.

If there is no nasal passage open on the side of the cleft, it is not conncted to anything at all. Actually, it would really not be open to the back of the throat only, unless it were a soft palate cleft only. In a cleft to the hard palate....it is open to the nasal passages at the beginning of the cleft all the way to the back of the cleft.

bchgirl 08-13-2008 03:41 PM
Administrating oral antibotic into the cleft is, indeed, placing fluid inside the very cavity she is trying to prevent fluid from entering. Preventing fluid from going into the cleft is the sole reason for tube feeding.

No doctor or vet is gives you a prescription for an oral antibotic with instructions to pour into the wound. It is taken orally.

Once all the sutures came out...I think a professional should have been consulted on the best method to handle the care and healing.

I would like to see this animal get evaluated and followed by a professional and that is not being done.

stovesj 08-13-2008 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 2180139)
Nasal passages connect at the back...while she may not physically have but one...it's connected with the opposite side at the back. The sole reason for tube feeding is so puppy does not aspirate the milk into it's lungs. That is why cleft puppies can not feed...

She's already said...she will not take her back to her vet's.
My understanding was Dena did not want to go back to the vet she used for the surgery....not that she wasn't going to take Emma to a vet...just a different one more experienced with cleft palate.

chachi 08-13-2008 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by stovesj (Post 2180196)
My understanding was Dena did not want to go back to the vet she used for the surgery....not that she wasn't going to take Emma to a vet...just a different one more experienced with cleft palate.
Well it seems she needs to be doing it right away!!! This baby went through 3 surgeries without anesethia. Has a gaping hole in its mouth and a closed nasal cavity

DukesMommy 08-13-2008 04:10 PM
I'm in agreement with the others who said they don't want to see this thread closed. I still check it several times a day to see if Dena has posted any updates on Emma.
I thought the suggestions of putting her down were a bit harsh, but the posts today, whether I agree with them or not, aren't nearly as hurtful as the others were. That's just my opinion though.

JeanieK 08-13-2008 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 2179942)
Antibotics are given in cleft palate babies to prevent pneumonia.

As long as there is a cleft and tube feeding...there is the possibility of pneumonia.
The Dr told her that they could deal with pneumonia if they need to but they do not want to give antibiotics unnecessarily and then have her system immune to them if and when she does need them. So it is a concern that has already been considered and addressed.

bchgirl 08-13-2008 04:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by stovesj (Post 2180196)
My understanding was Dena did not want to go back to the vet she used for the surgery....not that she wasn't going to take Emma to a vet...just a different one more experienced with cleft palate.

Yes, I understand that. I wanted to know if an appointment had been made. Afterall she just had surgery...but there has not been any follow up care to that. It seems to be in Emma's best interest if she receives continual care and follow ups with a veterinarian.

freshie 08-13-2008 04:22 PM
You are truly an inspiration, you are following your heart! I applaud you for that!

JeanieK 08-13-2008 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by donnarod (Post 2180100)
I feel that this thread should be closed.
WHAT????:confused:

Every difference of opinion i not grounds for closing a thread.

No one has gotten mean or abusive. And the OP isn't even ujpset, so why should it be closed.

There has been a wealth of information posted on this thread. Information that others of us might need in the future.

freshie 08-13-2008 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2180246)
WHAT????:confused:

Every difference of opinion i not grounds for closing a thread.

No one has gotten mean or abusive. And the OP isn't even ujpset, so why should it be closed.

There has been a wealth of information posted on this thread. Information that others of us might need in the future.

Agreed a wealth of information! I have read all 46 pages and have learned so much! I am so thankful this thread is open and I've been glued to it for a week!!


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