John Roberts and the media...

[jesscruz]

Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr

Not only that, but he has put our country and our people at great risk by taking us to war against a sovereign nation that was no threat to us, and he lied when he said it was a threat because he always knew the truth, ....he has put us in tremendous debt, he has hurt our public education system, and he has taken away our freedoms and our civil rights by keeping us in constant fear and enacting the "socalled Patirot Act". We are no longer a democracy since he declared his "mandate" after the election. Never has a President been so arrogant and never has a President taken so much vacation time. In a time of War, I think that is obscene.

right on kim!!!!whether were going here or not it's the truth! imo

[ingallsra]

Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr

Not only that, but he has put our country and our people at great risk by taking us to war against a sovereign nation that was no threat to us, and he lied when he said it was a threat because he always knew the truth, ....he has put us in tremendous debt, he has hurt our public education system, and he has taken away our freedoms and our civil rights by keeping us in constant fear and enacting the "socalled Patirot Act". We are no longer a democracy since he declared his "mandate" after the election. Never has a President been so arrogant and never has a President taken so much vacation time. In a time of War, I think that is obscene.

Clinton didn't vacation as much--he just had sex in the oval office with the intern....

[eensor]

Originally Posted by ingallsra

Clinton didn't vacation as much--he just had sex in the oval office with the intern....

And then LIED about it under oath........where is the PROOF that President Bush lied about WMD?

[StewiesMom]

Originally Posted by ingallsra

Clinton didn't vacation as much--he just had sex in the oval office with the intern....

Who cares? He still did much more than Bush and took the country out of Bush, Sr's debt.

[StewiesMom]

Originally Posted by eensor

And then LIED about it under oath........where is the PROOF that President Bush lied about WMD?

Have we seen any "weapons of mass destruction"? He SAID that there weren't any.

Just say you want to go to Iraq to spread Christianity and Democracy - don't make up another reason to scare U.S. citizens and secure their support.

[StewiesMom]

Originally Posted by ingallsra

Clinton didn't vacation as much--he just had sex in the oval office with the intern....

Just have to say this, then I'm done...

Yes, Clinton did that. People do stupid things all the time. BUT HE DIDN't kill thousands of people in a war against Iraq. I don't see the point in bringing this up. Bush could easily get in trouble for LYING about weapons in Iraq, but since he has a "mandate" and an authoritarian government, nothing will be done to him. Just thousands more innocent Iraqi's in their sovereign country will be killed and people like Jesscruz's husband will be sent there to "defend freedom" that isn't even in jeopardy. The only person putting our freedom in jeopardy is George W. Bush.

[SoCalyorkiLvr]

Originally Posted by eensor

And then LIED about it under oath........where is the PROOF that President Bush lied about WMD?

The Downing Street memo

[eensor]

The Downing Street memo happened before Blair and Bush appealed to the UN the last time so it is irrelevant. Even the ultra-liberal Washington Post editors said so.

How 'bout those Orioles? ...........

[AshDavis]

I liked what they were wearing, kinda reminded me of the Kennedy's. John, John's son, had me laughing with his little dance too.

[eensor]

Originally Posted by AshDavis

I liked what they were wearing, kinda reminded me of the Kennedy's. John, John's son, had me laughing with his little dance too.

I thought they were precious too!

[Bruce's_Mom]

Insulting someone's children is wrong! Insulting this administration and everything it stands for well I can think of nothing more right!!! GW is a horrible man and no amount of scarring the public., preaching about the lord, or smiling like a monkey on roller skates is going to change that!

There are so many horrible things that he is done aside from the war I do not even know where to begin, but I guess I will list a little sampling of my favorites:
(1) October 2003 Bush declares national marriage protection week, a whole week to openly bash and discriminate against our countrymen. Is the institution of marriage in danger? Because as far as I can tell, people are still getting married. But President Bush apparently thinks marriage is in dire need of protection, and hops into action by declaring "Marriage Protection Week." Bush, of course, thinks that marriage needs protection from gay couples, who want to attack marriage by, uh, getting married. I'm not quite sure how that works, but Bush must know what he's doing, right?
(2) September 2003 he dicloses the identity of a CIA agent to get back at her husband: When Joseph Wilson revealed that the Bush administration had used false intelligence to justify the war in Iraq, a smear campaign against him was predictable. But it was impossible to predict that the White House would reveal that Wilson's wife was an undercover CIA agent who worked on weapons of mass destruction -- supposedly the reason we went to war in the first place -- just to get back at Wilson.
(3) To afford his precious war Bush cut the combat pay of the soldiers actually fighting it as far back as August of 2003: Bush constantly expresses gratitute to these young men & women, people my age, my friends, dying everyday for nothing. He sure has a funny way of showing his gratitute Under Bush, the Pentagon cuts imminent danger pay as soldiers die every day in Iraq and family separation pay as soldiers are separated from their families for months.
(4) In 2002 Bush asks the court to seal the record on research and cases of children that developed autism as a result of vaccinations. After making sure the drug companies had protection from these suits built into the homeland security bill (see 11-19-2002 below), President Bush undermines those lawsuits again by fighting to make sure that important information connecting vaccinations to autism never sees the light of day. Again and again, we see that Bush considers an uninformed public to be his greatest asset.
(5) In 2002 he backed off an important population treaty: Imagine being so enslaved to an ideology that avoiding the slightest offense to your beliefs is more important to you than the health of poor women all over the world. If you can imagine what that's like, then you have an insight into the mind of President Bush, who has removed U.S. support for an international agreement to curb population growth, because the agreement's support for reproductive services for women implies that some of them might get abortions. Because the phrase "reproductive services" reminds Bush of "abortion," poor women worldwide won't have access to the kinds of services that actually prevent abortions, like adequate health care and birth control.

I could name at least 300 more things he has done that have a real impact on the daily lives of real people all over the world that are morally indefensible. I am not particularly interested in arguing about it, but what I really cannot comprehend is how in light of things like this he represents the so-called "moral-majority." If this country's collective morality is one that says it is okay to turn our backs to people in need, it is okay to use of law the very thing that is supposed to ensure equality to discriminate against entire classes of citizens, and it is okay to diregard world health because a small fraction of this country have religious beliefs that dictate such a course of action, well then I am ashamed!

[moniquew]

YT is probably NOT a good place to *discuss* politics. Things just tend to get real ugly.

Anyone agree?

[jesscruz]

Originally Posted by StewiesMom

Who cares? He still did much more than Bush and took the country out of Bush, Sr's debt.

i agree 150%!!!!with all your comments!

[SoCalyorkiLvr]

Originally Posted by Bruce's_Mom

Insulting someone's children is wrong! Insulting this administration and everything it stands for well I can think of nothing more right!!! GW is a horrible man and no amount of scarring the public., preaching about the lord, or smiling like a monkey on roller skates is going to change that!

There are so many horrible things that he is done aside from the war I do not even know where to begin, but I guess I will list a little sampling of my favorites:
(1) October 2003 Bush declares national marriage protection week, a whole week to openly bash and discriminate against our countrymen. Is the institution of marriage in danger? Because as far as I can tell, people are still getting married. But President Bush apparently thinks marriage is in dire need of protection, and hops into action by declaring "Marriage Protection Week." Bush, of course, thinks that marriage needs protection from gay couples, who want to attack marriage by, uh, getting married. I'm not quite sure how that works, but Bush must know what he's doing, right?
(2) September 2003 he dicloses the identity of a CIA agent to get back at her husband: When Joseph Wilson revealed that the Bush administration had used false intelligence to justify the war in Iraq, a smear campaign against him was predictable. But it was impossible to predict that the White House would reveal that Wilson's wife was an undercover CIA agent who worked on weapons of mass destruction -- supposedly the reason we went to war in the first place -- just to get back at Wilson.
(3) To afford his precious war Bush cut the combat pay of the soldiers actually fighting it as far back as August of 2003: Bush constantly expresses gratitute to these young men & women, people my age, my friends, dying everyday for nothing. He sure has a funny way of showing his gratitute Under Bush, the Pentagon cuts imminent danger pay as soldiers die every day in Iraq and family separation pay as soldiers are separated from their families for months.
(4) In 2002 Bush asks the court to seal the record on research and cases of children that developed autism as a result of vaccinations. After making sure the drug companies had protection from these suits built into the homeland security bill (see 11-19-2002 below), President Bush undermines those lawsuits again by fighting to make sure that important information connecting vaccinations to autism never sees the light of day. Again and again, we see that Bush considers an uninformed public to be his greatest asset.
(5) In 2002 he backed off an important population treaty: Imagine being so enslaved to an ideology that avoiding the slightest offense to your beliefs is more important to you than the health of poor women all over the world. If you can imagine what that's like, then you have an insight into the mind of President Bush, who has removed U.S. support for an international agreement to curb population growth, because the agreement's support for reproductive services for women implies that some of them might get abortions. Because the phrase "reproductive services" reminds Bush of "abortion," poor women worldwide won't have access to the kinds of services that actually prevent abortions, like adequate health care and birth control.

I could name at least 300 more things he has done that have a real impact on the daily lives of real people all over the world that are morally indefensible. I am not particularly interested in arguing about it, but what I really cannot comprehend is how in light of things like this he represents the so-called "moral-majority." If this country's collective morality is one that says it is okay to turn our backs to people in need, it is okay to use of law the very thing that is supposed to ensure equality to discriminate against entire classes of citizens, and it is okay to diregard world health because a small fraction of this country have religious beliefs that dictate such a course of action, well then I am ashamed!

Well written. I would just like to add that the traitor who outed the CIA agent is almost certainly Carl Rove, and he is still a major player in the administration! That my friends is treason.

I also do not really relish the thought of turning this forum into a political debate either but, I did not start this thread, and if we can make just one person question this administration enough to go do the research, educate themselves, and "wake up" about what is happening to this country at the hands of these anarchists then it is worth it.

And there is no news on the television anymore with the exception if C-span so you best start reading. If you think FOX has news, you are sadly mistaken. It is nothing more than entertainment. Those people are not true journalists free to report real stories! They can only report what the corporate interests allow them to report. This administration has actually used our tax dollars to hire so called "journalists" to spread their proaganda and then they "planted" Bush "reporters" in the white house press conferences to ask the soft ball questions and make the President look good. Both these practices are illegal!!

There is very little free press in this country anymore.

And...the fact that the Downing Street memos occurred prior to the administration going to the UN is precisely the point!!! He planned (way before 911) to go to Iraq with or without the support of the UN and indeed he did!! There were inspectors on the ground in Iraq doing what the UN had ordered when Bush decided to go to war. He didn't even give them a chance to do their job!

Haliburton and the Carlyle Group are the big winners in this effort and therefore Bush and Cheney and their "friends" profit. There should be no "profiteering" in a time of war...period. It is unconscionable.

Where is Bin Laden?

Lying about sex with an intern? Not good.
Lying about the reasons we are going to war? Treasonous!!!

[iheartyorkies]

Wow, we have some extremely bright people on this forum, on both sides of the aisle. That's why I'm gonna stay in the aisle, lol! If there's anything I've learned in my 40 *cough cough* years, it's that I'm nowhere smart enough on political issues to debate anyone on any issue. The thing that has disappointed and disillusioned me with the whole process is that I've seen absolutely no progress on the issues that I care about in the last 25+ years. I hear politicians promise things, Republican, Democrat and Independent and time after time, I'm left wondering why on earth we can't break these stalemates and get something accomplished.
So... don't blast me. Sadly, I'm not smart enough to come up with a snappy comeback. And I guess my point is, why don't we put our brilliant (and not so brilliant minds - mine) to work doing what this forum is here to do, what it reeealllly does a great job of ... learn from each other, laugh with each other, agree to disagree, and fight those **** puppy millers!!!! What ya say????