Please do some reading on Gardasil first....

[KitKat]

OMG I HAD NO IDEA! Everyone keeps telling me to go get this shot. I even have an appt for my yearly exam next week and I was gonna have the shot done with that appointment! When I called to make the appointment they told me that I have only until I'm 25 (I think that was the age anyway) to get the shot. Very scary!

[Mybabyboymax]

Originally Posted by MyFairLacy

I can't believe doctors can give kids shots without a parents permission

This is an interesting thread..I've thought about getting the vaccine before but I doubt I will be..I'm an adult and its expensive.

you know, I really did like her doctor but after he pulled that I have been looking for a new pediatrician. Its amazing to me that he would just take the stuff out and prepare it as if I had no right to decide. So if I would have stepped out to the bathroom or something he would have just given it to her and I couldnt have stopped him. My best friend has HPV and she says its a nightmare, she plans on giving the vaccine to her 10 yr old daughter, I have sent her info on the shot but she says she sees things differently than me because she goes through the pain and would do whatever it takes to prevent her daughter from going through what she does. I dont know, its just so sad that we cant trust anyone not even our doctors.

[LuvMyPrinceKobi]

I got all three shots as an adult...just finished up a month or two ago, and I don't regret my decision. Breast and other female cancers are extremely prevalent in my family, and I'd rather take the risk of having the vaccine and lower my chances of cancer.

If you've never been through someone close to you having cancer, you don't know. It is horrible, and I would never wish it on my worst enemy. So to each his own, but I DON'T regret my decision.

[bchgirl]

Personally I think the vaccine is too new. My daughter is not getting it. She sees a gynecologist for her periods....the doctor discussed this vaccine with me and more than readily accepted my explanation why my daughter was not receiving this. Absolutely no arguments.

In the sixties...my MIL took something for morning sickness, I can't think of the name but it caused birth defects and other health issues. Doctors and pharmacological companies are thought it was fine. FDA approved. However it was pulled from the market years ago...when it was once the correlation was determined. LOTS of women took this medication. It took years for them to realize...

Btw, guardia is only effective against like 2 strains of hpv. There are more than two strains...

[jp4m2]

Originally Posted by LuvMyPrinceKobi

I got all three shots as an adult...just finished up a month or two ago, and I don't regret my decision. Breast and other female cancers are extremely prevalent in my family, and I'd rather take the risk of having the vaccine and lower my chances of cancer.

If you've never been through someone close to you having cancer, you don't know. It is horrible, and I would never wish it on my worst enemy. So to each his own, but I DON'T regret my decision.

There's already test in place and have been to detect for cervical cancer and also the HPV virus all you have to do is go to the doctor and request them. These shots are not necessary nor are they safe, and the long term complications are totally unknown. There is also no guarantee that is actually works. Everyone has to decide what risks they are going to take.All I'm saying is to read all the information first, it's out there...I hope for your sake this new drug turns out to be fine but my grand daughter will not be getting it and I feel so relieved about that.

[Ellie May]

Originally Posted by Mybabyboymax

I think its great that you did all this research and posted it for other moms and women to see. My daughter is 12 and at her last physical her doctor pulled out the vaccine and was preparing it...I said, she is up to date on her shots. He said oh no this is the HPV vaccine, she hasnt gotten this yet. I said and she wont be getting it! Then he began to tell me how great it is and he recommends it. He was just going to give it to her without explaining it to me
needless to say she did not get it...they are not using my daughter as a guinea pig.

It's a good thing you were in there.

Great post OP. This vaccine is extrememly dangerous. Look at all the side effects and deaths and it has only been out for a few years. There have been NO long-term studies on it. What will happen when the girls that are getting it now turn 50? How do we know it doesn't increase the risk of other cancers? We just don't.

[jp4m2]

Originally Posted by Saleswman

I have to respond......

I am not sure you are not accurate about some of your statements....but, do not put all "big pharma" into the same hat. You just have to be older than 30 to have lived with diseases that cause people to die an early and painful death...breast cancer, authism....prostate cancer.....etc.... for instance....I remember when RA was called "crippling arthritis", and you just lived with it, painful and debilitating as it was usually people lived to their 70's....may of died of complications of this. like a broken hip, which by the way 80% of the people who break a hip ...will die....not due to the hip but to the "conplications" of a broken hip..anyway....now, with "big pharma" and the biologics, people can live and lead productive lives.....with
the disease.....I know, I watched my Mom lose 30 lbs in one month, not able to get out of the bed to go to the bathroom.....all this brought on by an anti-inflammatory response that brought on a benign disease....to a raging horrific experience two years ago...

Today, with the help of J&J (big pharma) she acts like a 40 year old...she goes thrifting....and shops, she is self sufficient....and gained her 30 lbs back because she can get out of the BED!!!


So, my point is...you may be right about this medication, that it is a personal decision as to if you want to take it or your daughter to take it.....but, be grateful that you have that option....because believe it or not....this drug only gets approved after millions of dollars of research and SUCCESS with patients....not just to make money for the drug companies.....

I for one am grateful that I live in a time that there are medications available to keep me and my family healthy and around longer....

But, then again....I have worked in "big pharma" for 18 years....and watched my brother, sister, father, mother in law, sister in law, friends pass with diseases that I hope one day will find cures for......Cancer.....this is a real disease, not one made up to make money for the drug companies......

Believe me.....

Shirley

I'm not saying at all that we shouldn't be grateful for some of the drugs that have benefited peoples lives. My son and husband are diabetics so without insulin they would not be here. With that being said you are not informed as to how drugs are approved. It is not done by multiple trials and rigorous testing. If you just do some reading and investigating you will be just as surprised as I am at the corruption and greed in this industry. They are not out for our best interests they are out to make the bottom, money.

In the past few years 24 drugs have been pulled from the market after causing injuries and deaths. Just Vioxx alone has injured 80,000 people and killed 1/3 of those. The drug company did know of the dangers and continued to keep it on the market. So what if they get some lawsuits they made more than they will pay out in the end. After the FDA approves a drug 1 in 5 will will have serious effect on us the comsumers. According to the American Medical Association, adverse reactions from these "well" tested drugs are the 4th leading cause of death in this country. The amount of people injured is 2 million each year. The FDA will approve a drug with questionable safety. It's done on a regular basis. I was told one to never take a drug that is newly on the market only take it if has been on the market at least 5 years.

The FDA has NO authority to require follow up safety studies on drugs after they are introduced to the market. This is a serious oversight, given that many problems with drugs only appear after widespread use. Patients are widely used as guinea pigs in any new drug launch. The U.S is the only nation in the world that allows ads to consumers. It was legalized in 1998 by the FDA, following political pressure and influence from the drug companies. This resulted in a windfall in profits for the drug companies. Some drugs are marked up 300,000% over the cost of the ingredients.

Did you know that more and more of our drugs are being made in China, it's cheaper for the drug companies. That is where the drug Heparin that is now in the news is made. The factories in Chine are rarely inspected, if eve,r and they don't have the same quality controls that the U.S. has in place. So it looks like we will now not only have to worry if the drug is going to have adverse effect but what did the manufacturer put in the drug.

FDA approval does not in any way mean the drug is safe. When they did the clinical trials they also used aluminum in the placebo on girls. If you do some reading on aluminum this was a dangerous thing to do also.

http://www.medicalaccountability.net..._gardasil.html

If some of the fact are off a bit isn't the point the point is this is a very questionable drug to be giving to our children I'm not saying ALL drugs are bad, it's that the push to put drugs on the market long before they are ready that is the problem....read, read, read before you trust what the drug companies and doctors are telling you....that's all this post was meant to do.....

[Too Cute Teddy]

wow good post! My doctor suggested this to me last year as I am still in the recommended age bracket, but I declined b/c I just didn't know enough about it and it was so new - I'm glad I did! Thanks for the info and doing all the right research.

[chloeTG]

Originally Posted by Saleswman

I have to respond......

I am not sure you are not accurate about some of your statements....but, do not put all "big pharma" into the same hat. You just have to be older than 30 to have lived with diseases that cause people to die an early and painful death...breast cancer, authism....prostate cancer.....etc.... for instance....I remember when RA was called "crippling arthritis", and you just lived with it, painful and debilitating as it was usually people lived to their 70's....may of died of complications of this. like a broken hip, which by the way 80% of the people who break a hip ...will die....not due to the hip but to the "conplications" of a broken hip..anyway....now, with "big pharma" and the biologics, people can live and lead productive lives.....with
the disease.....I know, I watched my Mom lose 30 lbs in one month, not able to get out of the bed to go to the bathroom.....all this brought on by an anti-inflammatory response that brought on a benign disease....to a raging horrific experience two years ago...

Today, with the help of J&J (big pharma) she acts like a 40 year old...she goes thrifting....and shops, she is self sufficient....and gained her 30 lbs back because she can get out of the BED!!!


So, my point is...you may be right about this medication, that it is a personal decision as to if you want to take it or your daughter to take it.....but, be grateful that you have that option....because believe it or not....this drug only gets approved after millions of dollars of research and SUCCESS with patients....not just to make money for the drug companies.....

I for one am grateful that I live in a time that there are medications available to keep me and my family healthy and around longer....

But, then again....I have worked in "big pharma" for 18 years....and watched my brother, sister, father, mother in law, sister in law, friends pass with diseases that I hope one day will find cures for......Cancer.....this is a real disease, not one made up to make money for the drug companies......

Believe me.....

Shirley

I totally agree with you! I am a recruiter for the biotech and pharmaceutical industry and after talking with many of the professionals in this arena I feel that we are very lucky to have "Big Pharma" because research continues on fatal diseases that hopefully we'll find a cure for some day! As far as not taking the last shot...I would do more research and see if it's not more detrimental for you NOT to finish the vacination. I took the first shot but did not take the rest of them after further research.

[ARCHIE]

There are many drugs, of course, on the market today that are life saving.
People could not live without them, this is true.
But this specific drug has not been out that long and has not been tested
enough. I have read only negative things about it.
The pharmacutical companies and the FDA are two companies I would not
trust as far as I could throw them! They are in it together and it's all
about money to them. They lie to us daily.
I would never put that drug into my daughters. Instead of coming up
with money making drugs our government should be looking into why
cancer is just spreading more rapidly throughout our country. Where
is it all coming from. It wasn't rampid 50yrs ago. Gives you something
to think about. What has happened in the last 50yrs that changed things?
Pesticides, additives to tobacco to get you hooked, pollution in our
waters etc. Nothing seems to be safe anymore. Instead of coming out
with preventives, that are not safe, do more to find the source. It's all about $$$$.

[jp4m2]

Originally Posted by ARCHIE

There are many drugs, of course, on the market today that are life saving.
People could not live without them, this is true.
But this specific drug has not been out that long and has not been tested
enough. I have read only negative things about it.
The pharmacutical companies and the FDA are two companies I would not
trust as far as I could throw them! They are in it together and it's all
about money to them. They lie to us daily.
I would never put that drug into my daughters. Instead of coming up
with money making drugs our government should be looking into why
cancer is just spreading more rapidly throughout our country. Where
is it all coming from. It wasn't rampid 50yrs ago. Gives you something
to think about. What has happened in the last 50yrs that changed things?
Pesticides, additives to tobacco to get you hooked, pollution in our
waters etc. Nothing seems to be safe anymore. Instead of coming out
with preventives, that are not safe, do more to find the source. It's all about $$$$.

I agree with you whole heartedly....once upon a time these organizations did have our best interests at heart but that is no longer the case.....greed for money and power have turned the tables and the public is at great risk.....This drug is only scratching the surface, children's vaccines are suspect, cholesterol lowering drugs, and so are many more of the other drugs now on the market.....Sometimes a person develops other symptoms and it's not connected to the drugs side effects, it's labeled as just another symptom of the illness.Once a person starts digging and reading it gets scary and it angers me....These same kinds of problems exist with the USDA, our food supply is so full of dangerous contaminants it would make a person sick reading all of it....

We are living longer but the quality of our lives is worse than a decade ago....I see people in their 40's with illnesses and diseases that you wouldn't expect to see until old age, if at all......People just accept it as a part of life and it just isn't so.We should not be this sick as a society.

I try and find sources that are looking out for the consumer rights when looking for info, there is plenty of it out there. I never read or trust the info printed by the manufacturer or articles printed in the newspaper. I don't expect people to just believe what I write that is why I stress.... read, read, read.... for yourselves and get all the info you can, then decide with an educated mind, don't be influenced by tv ads and go by assumptions that "all is good or else it wouldn't be on the market", that is not the case......

[Ellie May]

You might be interested in the article below.
We do need to be VERY careful and not just do things because someone says so. And the statistics at the top of this article are from the AMA (can't go too much higher than that) and were for hospitalized patients only.

Recreational Drugs FAR Less Likely to Kill You than Prescribed Drugs!

* By Christopher Kent, D.C., J.D.
Mercola.com, January 15, 2008
Straight to the Source

Recreational drugs, including cocaine and heroin, are responsible for an estimated 10,000-20,000 American deaths per year [1,2]. While this represents a serious public health problem, it is a "smokescreen" for America's real drug problem. America's "war on drugs" is directed at the wrong enemy. It is obvious that interdiction, stiff mandatory sentences, and more vigorous enforcement of drug laws have failed.

The reason is simple. Cause and effect have been reversed.

The desire to solve problems by taking drugs is a product of our culture. When a child is taught by loving parents that the appropriate response to pain or discomfort is taking a pill, it is obvious that such a child, when faced with the challenges of adolescence, will seek comfort by taking drugs.

Drugs are Dangerous Whether Pushed or Prescribed

While approximately 10,000 per year die from the effects of illegal drugs, an article in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) reported that an estimated 106,000 hospitalized patients die each year from drugs which, by medical standards, are properly prescribed and properly administered. More than two million suffer serious side effects. [3]

An article in Newsweek [4] put this into perspective. Adverse drug reactions, from "properly" prescribed drugs, are the fourth leading cause of death in the United States. According to this article, only heart disease, cancer, and stroke kill more Americans than drugs prescribed by medical doctors. Reactions to prescription drugs kill more than twice as many Americans as HIV/AIDS or suicide. Fewer die from accidents or diabetes than adverse drug reactions. It is important to point out the limitations of this study. It did not include outpatients, cases of malpractice, or instances where the drugs were not taken as directed.

According to another AMA publication, drug related "problems" kill as many as 198,815 people, put 8.8 million in hospitals, and account for up to 28% of hospital admissions. [5] If these figures are accurate, only cancer and heart disease kill more patients than drugs. Has the situation improved since the publication of this information? Hardly. Null [6] et al have published the most comprehensive and well-documented study I have seen of deaths associated with medical practice. In this report, their research revealed some shocking facts. The findings are summarized in the abstract:

"A definitive review and close reading of medical peer-review journals, and government health statistics shows that American medicine frequently causes more harm than good. The number of people having in-hospital, adverse drug reactions (ADR) to prescribed medicine is 2.2 million. Dr. Richard Besser, of the CDC, in 1995, said the number of unnecessary antibiotics prescribed annually for viral infections was 20 million. Dr. Besser, in 2003, now refers to tens of millions of unnecessary antibiotics.

The number of unnecessary medical and surgical procedures performed annually is 7.5 million. The number of people exposed to unnecessary hospitalization annually is 8.9 million. The total number of iatrogenic deaths shown in the following table is 783,936. It is evident that the American medical system is the leading cause of death and injury in the United States. The 2001 heart disease annual death rate is 699,697; the annual cancer death rate, 553,251."

Drugs Number One Killer

The authors conclude: "When the number one killer in a society is the healthcare system, then, that system has no excuse except to address its own urgent shortcomings. It's a failed system in need of immediate attention. What we have outlined in this paper are insupportable aspects of our contemporary medical system that need to be changed -- beginning at its very foundations."

A recent article in Archives of Internal Medicine [7] stated that in the seven year period from 1998 through 2005, reported serious adverse drug events increased 2.6-fold, and fatal adverse drug events increased 2.7-fold. The authors noted that reported serious events increased 4 times faster than the total number of outpatient prescriptions during the period. Another study concluded that the majority (86%) of the adverse drug reactions for which patients were admitted to a medical intensive care unit were preventable. [8]

One proposed solution to the illegal drug problem was encouraging potential users to ignore peer pressure and "just say no." Interestingly, this strategy is not being recommended for prescription drugs. Bruce Pomeranz, MD , one of the authors of the JAMA paper, said he is not warning people to stay away from drugs. "That would be a terrible message," he said. Lucian Leape, MD, of the Harvard School of Public Health said, "When you realize how many drugs we use, maybe those numbers aren't so bad after all." [4]

Does that mean that the number of deaths due to illegal drugs, suicide, HIV/AIDS, diabetes, accidents, and drunk driving "aren't so bad" either? Does it mean that we shouldn't discourage drunk driving or unsafe sex?

The folly of such double standards should be obvious to all. It is time to address the real drug problem -- the cultural notion that the first solution to seek for relief of life's problems is a drug. That's the drug culture we need to address.

References
1. "Drug deaths." Globe & Mail (Canada). February 27, 1998.
2. Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report. CDC. 2007;56(05):93-96.
3. Lazarou J, Pomeranz BH, Corey PN: "Incidence of adverse drug reactions in hospitalized patients." JAMA 1998;279:1200.
4. Kalb C: "When drugs do harm." Newsweek. April 27, 1998. Page 61.
5. "Reaction." American Medical News. January 15, 1996. Page 11.
6. 1. Null G, Dean C, Feldman, M, Rasio, D, Smith D: "Death by Medicine." Life Extension. March, 2004. http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2004/..._awsi_death_01...
7. Moore TJ, Cohen MR, Furberg CD: Serious adverse drug events reported to the Food and Drug Administration, 1998-2005. Archives of Internal Medicine 2007;167:1752-1759.
8. Rivkin A: Admissions to a medical intensive care unit related to adverse drug reactions. American Journal of Health-System Pharmacy 2007;64(17):1840-1843.

Many thanks to Dr. Kent for his article. He is a good friend, and one of the leaders in the chiropractic profession. Dr. Kent was named the International Chiropractors Association (ICA) "Chiropractic Researcher of the Year" in 1991, and was the recipient of that honor from World Chiropractic Alliance (WCA) in 1994. Dr. Kent was also selected "Chiropractor of the Year" in 1998 by the International Chiropractors Association, and is the Main Representative of the WCA to the Department of Public Information, the first chiropractor elected to that position.

Dr. Kent is co-founder of the Chiropractic Leadership Alliance (CLA) along with another good friend of mine, Patrick Gentempo. An attorney as well as a chiropractor, Dr. Kent is an active member of the State Bar of California, and is admitted as an attorney of the United States District Court, Southern District of California. You can read more about Dr. Kent's work in a special issue of The American Chiropractor.

Read Dr. Mercola's comments at: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/
2008/1/15/recreational-drugs-far-less-likely-to-kill-you-than-prescribed-drugs.aspx

http://www.organicconsumers.org/arti...ticle_9684.cfm