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Lou 11-27-2007 11:30 AM

Do dogs go to Heaven
 
I'm hoping this conversation is continued from another forum.
Thanks

Gypsy & Me 11-27-2007 11:34 AM

I'd like to hear the answer to this too...

Ellie May 11-27-2007 11:48 AM

Okay, I am about to get in BIG trouble with all of you.:rolleyes: Oh well. Just please know that I love dogs just as much as all of you.:)

Ecc 3:19 For3588 that which befalleth4745 the sons1121 of men120 befalleth4745 beasts;929 even one thing259 befalleth4745 them: as the one2088 dieth,4194 so3651 dieth4194 the other;2088 yea, they have all3605 one259 breath;7307 so that a man120 hath no369 preeminence4195 above4480 a beast:929 for3588 all3605 is vanity.1892
Ecc 3:20 All3605 go1980 unto413 one259 place;4725 all3605 are1961 of4480 the dust,6083 and all3605 turn to dust again.7725, 413, 6083
Ecc 3:21 Who4310 knoweth3045 the spirit7307 of man120 that1931 goeth5927 upward,4605 and the spirit7307 of the beast929 that1931 goeth3381 downward4295 to the earth?776
Ecc 3:22 Wherefore I perceive7200 that3588 there is nothing369 better,2896 than that4480, 834 a man120 should rejoice8055 in his own works;4639 for3588 that1931 is his portion:2506 for3588 who4310 shall bring935 him to see7200 what shall be4100, 7945, 1961 after310 him?


Sorry about the Strong's numbers. I say no they do not because the spirit of man goes upward and the spirit of the beast goes downward. That is the difference between us and animals. Why else don't you feel guilty for eating them? I would love to contrary evidence though.:)

Lou 11-27-2007 12:15 PM

I remember reading an article in Dog World a few years back about this subject. Actually it was a question about whether dogs have souls. They interviewed a rabbi, a Protestant minister and a Catholic priest. (Almost sounds like a joke coming on.) Anyway the rabbi was the only one that said no. The other two admitted to not knowing but agreed that it was possible.

With the scripture verses - isn't the beast the devil when it is spoken of in that term. Other wise you see something like a beast of burden when talking about oxen. I wish my dad was still alive. He was a minister and had the most down to earth explanations of the Bible.

My own personal feeling is that it is possible that we endow our pets with souls by loving them and caring for them. Perhaps not all animals can go to Heaven but if my dogs aren't there I ain't going.

LuvMyYorkies 11-27-2007 12:18 PM

You're darn right they go to HEAVEN. Some how, I can't imagine heaven without all my little furbabies. Just as you can quote from the Bible on their not going to heaven, you will also find passages in the Bible where they indicate that animals do go to heaven.:D So, I guess it's what you want to believe.

YorkieMom55 11-27-2007 12:18 PM

Yes!!

Ellie May 11-27-2007 12:21 PM

When you look up the word beast in this passage it says livestock, cattle, animal... So, I don't think it refers to the devil.

Could I see where you see that they do go to heaven. I would really like to believe that they do but have not found any evidence.

Lou 11-27-2007 12:25 PM

I'm thinking it doesn't come out and say it but if it is in there I'm also thinking it would be in the new testament.

Helen, Do you have any scriptures you can give us?

scrappysmom 11-27-2007 12:26 PM

I think dogs go to heaven.

Tammyh 11-27-2007 12:27 PM

I don't think we'll REALLY know until we get there, but I hope so!

chachi 11-27-2007 12:29 PM

I hope they do

livingdustmops 11-27-2007 12:30 PM

Here are a number of websites that might give you answers. I posted this on another thread.

http://www.all-creatures.org/murti/tsnhod-08.html

http://www.religionlink.org/tip_030903b.php

http://www.interfaithofficiants.com/...lMinistry.html


http://network.bestfriends.org/Messa...912c1 &t=8172


There are also a number of books on Amazon.com talking about if animals have souls.

Lou 11-27-2007 12:35 PM

[quote=livingdustmops;1555979]Here are a number of websites that might give you answers. I posted this on another thread.

You did the same thing I did I think. Here is another site:

http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/pets.shtml

Bottom line is that God will make Heaven wonderful for each of us and when we all return to Earth for the 1000 years that the devil is bound I know our pets will be there.

Yorkieluv 11-27-2007 12:43 PM

If you do a search online, you can find websites that include passages from the bible that point towards the fact that they do go to heaven. Animals are God's creatures...

shelschrader 11-27-2007 12:44 PM

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scrappysmom 11-27-2007 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yorkieluv (Post 1556025)
If you do a search online, you can find websites that include passages from the bible that point towards the fact that they do go to heaven. Animals are God's creatures...

my husband says the same thing, in the bible all living creatures go to heaven.

shelschrader 11-27-2007 12:51 PM

Opps, sorry I tried to edit what I said and ended up messing the whole thing up. My father and I have this coversation all of the time. He says that they do not go to heaven and showed me the verses in the Bible. When we had to put our family cocker spaniel, Brandy, down a few years ago he said it broke his heart. He was so upset to think that was the end of Brandy, she just quit being altogether. My thought is this, God makes heaven perfect for everyone. I think that my furbabies will be waiting to spend all of eternity with me in heaven because that is what would make my heaven perfect. I hope I haven't offended anyone with this as it is just my opinion. Oh yeah, the reason I quote my father is that he is an elder at our church and very knowledgeable as he studies the Bible everyday.

alexbnieto 11-27-2007 12:56 PM

no one goes to heaven. no people, no animals, nada . . . we are all recycled. i love conservation of energy!

Wylie's Mom 11-27-2007 01:17 PM

I fully believe that NO ONE, not even the bible, can answer this question....unless one of us here is god? That is, if there is one. And, as far as I know, none of us here can truly know the nature of god, if there is one. It would surely be mightily arrogant if we thought we could.

If there is not a god, then none of us goes anywhere. If there is one, then surely all good creatures are loved in equality - otherwise, what kind of god, god forbid, would THAT be?

If there is a heaven, I cannot fathom animals not being there as I find them FAR more honorable than human beings. Just my humble opinion. :D

Too Cute Teddy 11-27-2007 01:35 PM

I believe that they do. The bible was written by man - God's words and teachings, but written by man, and as we all know mankind is not perfect. This topic could cause wars!! I have a degree in English and in lit courses you study the bible as literature - the more you learn academically the more you can argue against all types of beliefs and religion - that is why you need faith. If you choose to follow the bible word for word, we would not spare the rod so we don't spoil the children and many others - I'm a teacher and some kids could you a good beating at home!! (j/k) I choose to believe that heaven is does exist and all dogs go to heaven ... just like charlie...

LuvMyPrinceKobi 11-27-2007 01:37 PM

I believe they do! I would not truly be happy without my furbutts with me, and I want to believe I will never be sad in heaven, so for that (you can call it silly) reason, I think they do :)

yorkiemom4ever 11-27-2007 01:48 PM

The book of Revelation tells us that there are birds and horses in Heaven already. Some feel that animals cannot go to Heaven because they have no soul and cannot be saved from their sins. But animals are innocent -- they do not sin -- they are like babies or those who are severely retarded. They go to Heaven for the same reason. So I do believe that our beloved pets will be in Heaven with us.

YorkieRose 11-27-2007 02:12 PM

animals
 
God, obivious loves animals, He made them first, then He made man to care for them in the Garden...
Heaven is not one place, the scriptures tell us there are levels, it also says there will be a new earth after the Satan is locked in Hell for eternity..
to some who do not believe the Bible, may find it strange to hear, but the "redeemed" will be able to come and go between heaven and earth...I think the animals may remain here on earth, but that is just a guess..whereever they are, we will have free access to them...

mizzwanned 11-27-2007 02:23 PM

I believe they do. Atleast i hope so!! I can't imagine not having them there

Lou 11-27-2007 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Too Cute Teddy (Post 1556199)
I believe that they do. The bible was written by man - God's words and teachings, but written by man, and as we all know mankind is not perfect. This topic could cause wars!! I have a degree in English and in lit courses you study the bible as literature - the more you learn academically the more you can argue against all types of beliefs and religion - that is why you need faith. If you choose to follow the bible word for word, we would not spare the rod so we don't spoil the children and many others - I'm a teacher and some kids could you a good beating at home!! (j/k) I choose to believe that heaven is does exist and all dogs go to heaven ... just like charlie...


Well said Too Cute! :thumbup:

daisy mae06 11-27-2007 02:39 PM

My View
 
three subjects I do not discuss because I hate fights..

1.Sex
2. Religion
And
3. Politics
I have them but I don't share.:)
I know what I believe and that's all that matters:)

Too Cute Teddy 11-27-2007 02:45 PM

There is a great quote from A Tree Grows in Brooklyn - 'Intolerance,'is a thing that causes war, pogroms, crucifixions, lunchings, and makes people cruel to little children and to each other. It is responsible for most of the viciousness, violence, terror and heart and soul breaking of the world.' "
(sorry I'm a book dork!) and I think it fits here along with just about everything else in life too - we all have different opinion, views, and beliefs, but we need to be tolerant and respectful of eachother. I hope we are all mature enough to listen and discuss without bashing other people's views and beliefs!!

LoveMyJake 11-27-2007 03:08 PM

Here's an interesting site that says they can prove that all animals go to heaven.

http://www.ourchurch.com/member/w/w_lasalle/

BubblPopElectrc 11-27-2007 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 1556137)
I fully believe that NO ONE, not even the bible, can answer this question....unless one of us here is god? That is, if there is one. And, as far as I know, none of us here can truly know the nature of god, if there is one. It would surely be mightily arrogant if we thought we could.

If there is not a god, then none of us goes anywhere. If there is one, then surely all good creatures are loved in equality - otherwise, what kind of god, god forbid, would THAT be?

If there is a heaven, I cannot fathom animals not being there as I find them FAR more honorable than human beings. Just my humble opinion. :D

Very well put.

Safiyah 11-27-2007 04:05 PM

My 2 Cents
 
My point of view may be unpopular, so I decided to simply post what the bible says about this, and leave you to decide for yourself. I have included scriptural references for you to choose to look up on your own, or not. Please keep in mind that I absolutely LOVE animals, and I’m especially partial to dogs (Yorkies are my favorite) I do not mean to offend anyone. Just so it’s clear, I do not want to debate religion here, I’m here to learn about Yorkies, but the bible is my favorite book, and I study it daily so I thought I’d put in my 2 cents.

Regarding the term “soul” the bible is pretty clear if you look. (Gen 2:7; 1 Cor 15:45; 1 Pet 3:20; Gen 9:5; Josh 11:11; Matt 10:28; Acts 3:23) all use the term “Soul” to mean people, so we are souls. As for animals (Gen 1:20, 21, 24, 25; Lev 24:17, 18; Rev 16:3) refer to animals as “souls” so yes, animals DO have souls. This includes dogs. While the Israelites did not seem to view dogs as pets, Job specifically mentions dogs (Job 30:1, 1:3)

God gave us instructions regarding all animals (Psalm 8:6-8; 115:16) Our responsibility towards animals is clear (Proverbs 12:10; Deuteronomy 22:4, 10; 25:4) However, the bible also says that humans, not animals, were made “in the image of God” (Genesis 1:26) And although animals were created with a limited life span, man had the prospect of living forever on earth (Genesis 3:22, 23; Psalm 37:29)

Jesus said that in order to enjoy “everlasting life” we must exercise faith and take in knowledge of God, something animals are incapable of doing (John 3:36; 17:3) Originally, man was instructed to eat only vegetation, but after the flood, man was given permission to eat all animals (Genesis 1:29; 9:3) However no where are we permitted to eat humans (Thank goodness!) Mind you, I know there are places where people eat dogs, but let’s face it, that’s just GROSS. *shudder* yuck, how can they?

As for heaven, the bible states that not every “good person” will go to heaven. (Acts 2:29,34; Matthew 11:11; John 3:13; Revelation 21:1-4) Those who do not can look forward to eternal life on earth. However, nothing is mentioned in the bible of animals having eternal life, let alone going to heaven. So the answer, according to the bible is yes dogs are souls and no, they do not go to heaven. In fact, Eccl 9:5; Ps 146:4 show that when we die, we simply go to sleep, and Eccl 3:19 includes animals in with this.

Safiyah


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