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chloeandj 12-01-2006 09:13 PM

If you are interested, YT has a sister site called biewertalk.com

They are very cute! Quite a few members here have biewers and they are all beautiful, I have always admired them.

Julz 12-01-2006 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crystal's house
I have a sincere question, how are these A.K.C. registered? I have a female the same age as your male and the A.K.C. registration papers I got with her show only 4 color patterns, as does their website, and none of those include white.


You have to send VERY specific pictures in for the board to review. They choose the color then. I have a solid gold one....AKC marked her "tan" only.

BamaFan121s 12-01-2006 09:22 PM

I realize I will NEVER get this strait and correct me if I'm wrong, but any parti yorkie is not automatically a Biewer? They have to decend froma certain bloodline and have specific markings, right?

yorkieK9trainer 12-01-2006 10:31 PM

Bama, I'm pretty certain you're correct.
Makes sense anyway.

blondflava 12-02-2006 01:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s
I realize I will NEVER get this strait and correct me if I'm wrong, but any parti yorkie is not automatically a Biewer? They have to decend froma certain bloodline and have specific markings, right?

I think I remember a thread from a few days ago... Biewers have specific color patterns and breeding 2 biewers you always get the same pattern. Parti yorkies have any coloring white and tan or black but there's no pattern and it's the recessive gene that comes to play. I think you can get regular colored yorkies if you breed parties - I MIGHT BE WRONG THOUGH... it's kind of late and I can't sleep LOL

Peters 12-02-2006 05:26 AM

i msg you haven't gotten a reply

red98vett 12-02-2006 05:37 AM

They ARE adorable - but to come and sell them calling them rare is kind of playing on peoples desires ...

why not do a post and just state what they are and the prices in the For Sale section ?? We have lots of threads about the parti and biewers here - there are people who love the colors - as I do - but when I see someone calling a dog RARE.... it just sends me a red flag that the seller is going to charge way more than what the price should really be.

I'm not being mean - just offering an opinion ! :) You have beautiful dogs

FlDebra 12-02-2006 06:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by partiyorkielove
My yorkies are rare but, never the less they are 100% yorkie. ... i plan to breed them in a few months. so look out for puppy pics. They are going to be adorable. If you are interested in one of these puppies let me know.

This is just something for you to consider. I am no breeding expert or ethics police but.... I am going to pass on a page from the Yorkshire Terrier Club of America concerning Yorkie colors http://ytca.org/faq.html#B: .
"The AKC Breed Standard and YTCA Code of Ethics do not recognize any
other color dogs than noted above. This includes all gold, born blue, liver
(also known as red or chocolate), and parti-colors. One of the reasons for
avoiding breeding "off-colored" Yorkies is because it could be a genetic defect that may affect the dog's health. Some health problems can include, but aren't limited to, severe skin problems, allergies, total hair loss and in some cases long-term illness and/or death.

A responsible breeder will not intentionally breed for undesirable traits.
On very rare occasions, a breeder will have a puppy born with a color anomaly. That puppy should undergo careful health screenings before being placed in a spay/neuter (non-breeding) home. A breeder should certainly never promote these deviations as being desirable or rare.
"

Just something to think about. I don't think I know enough about genetics, breeding and what it might mean to the breed in general, yet to have a firm opinion myself, but until then I would probably stick with what the YTCA establishes.

ssmiles1980A 12-02-2006 07:08 AM

your babies are beautiful :)

feminvstr 12-02-2006 07:57 AM

these sites have been breeding the Parti's for years

http://www.crownridgegems.com/

http://www.partiyorkies.com/
http://www.yorkypuppies.com/

FlDebra 12-02-2006 08:47 AM

I know people are breeding them -- people are breeding a lot of non-standard dogs and combinations -- but I am not understanding their position, I guess. If responsible breeders are to breed to standard, where does parti-color come in -- it is nowhere in the standard. I think they are cute, just like I think a yorkie-poo, a 12 pound yorkie, or a chocolate yorkie is cute -- but I guess I just am not so sure any of those should be bred. I would even love to have a chocolate yorkie -- as a result of an anomaly not intentional.

But, I don't understand why AKC is registering them when the standard specifically says only the four color combination. If the standard for color can be ignored then what about the other standards? Are they important? Should we breed 20 pound Yorkies? Should we breed short, wire-haired Yorkies? What if they have black and gold entermingled hair? How about all one color? I am just asking questions that come to my mind and believe me I am not anywhere near knowledgeable enough to say anything for sure. But I have some BIG QUESTIONS in my mind about the deviations from breed standard.

I want to eventually get into breeding. I am having a difficult time in my own mind justifying all these breed deviations when I am hearing my responsibility as a Yorkshire Terrier breeder is to preserve the characteristics that make this breed unique -- which the black/blue and tan/gold colors are very much a part of. I could be wrong in my first perceptions, and I am open to continue formulating my opinion, too early for me to think all one way or another.

Even if I did have a firm opinion, it would only be that, one person's opinion. The YTCA has issued a position statement against breeding parti-colored Yorkies. The AKC does not allow them to be shown in any conformation type shows. So, it makes me think there is more to the lack of acceptance to the practice of their breeding than just individual opinions. I will continue to follow the subject and see if the AKC ever comes close to endorsing the particolors or the chocolates. If they recognize chocolates some day, I will probably be back in the market for a puppy. So, it is nothing against these puppies at all -- I love them all in or out of standard. But, it is a subject for more thought. I am interested in the opinions of those of you with breeding and show experience.

Alliec1 12-02-2006 09:18 AM

I have to just say there is nothing wrong with calling these dogs rare. The parti colored yorkies are made when a recessive, and less common gene comes out, and this can be difficult to do.

As far as not being recognized by the AKC, I can defend the breeders and sellers in saying that 1) there is a demand, so there isn't any logical reason not to create a supply to meet it. Basic economics. 2) Nothing new is ever added without becoming prolific first. Think of it as the dictionary..every year, new words are added that may have not even existed the previous year because they have come into popular/common use. The standard is good, but saying that it cannot or should not be changed is just silly. As long as the dogs have no disabilities or undesirable traits (LP, etc..).

JeanieK 12-02-2006 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Julz
You have to send VERY specific pictures in for the board to review. They choose the color then. I have a solid gold one....AKC marked her "tan" only.

There is a specific color code for them. I was told what it was but can't remember for sure.

JeanieK 12-02-2006 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlDebra
This is just something for you to consider. I am no breeding expert or ethics police but.... I am going to pass on a page from the Yorkshire Terrier Club of America concerning Yorkie colors http://ytca.org/faq.html#B: .
"The AKC Breed Standard and YTCA Code of Ethics do not recognize any
other color dogs than noted above. This includes all gold, born blue, liver
(also known as red or chocolate), and parti-colors. One of the reasons for
avoiding breeding "off-colored" Yorkies is because it could be a genetic defect that may affect the dog's health. Some health problems can include, but aren't limited to, severe skin problems, allergies, total hair loss and in some cases long-term illness and/or death.

A responsible breeder will not intentionally breed for undesirable traits.
On very rare occasions, a breeder will have a puppy born with a color anomaly. That puppy should undergo careful health screenings before being placed in a spay/neuter (non-breeding) home. A breeder should certainly never promote these deviations as being desirable or rare.
"

Just something to think about. I don't think I know enough about genetics, breeding and what it might mean to the breed in general, yet to have a firm opinion myself, but until then I would probably stick with what the YTCA establishes.

There's always someone.

I've heard the term "Responsible Breeder" thrown around so much it's ridiculous. If one breeder doesn't adhere to another breeders beliefs then they are labled as Irresponsible.

The self proclaimed "responsible Breeders" claim to breed only to better the breed. How much can one better it. Their dogs look just like everyone elses dogs.

They insist they don't breed for profit, then why on earth would they be breeding 6 or 7 or 8 or more dogs.

It's nothing more than a Buzz word used to make themselves feel superior to everyone else.

If people only bred for show, the cost of yorkies would be prohibitive to most of us on this forum.

IMO you are a responsible breeder if you
1.take care of your dogs,
2.breed only healthy dogs,
3.stand behind your puppies,
4.see that they are placed in good homes.

I'm interested in hearing other people's opinions on what is a responsible breeder.

JeanieK 12-02-2006 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlDebra
I know people are breeding them -- people are breeding a lot of non-standard dogs and combinations -- but I am not understanding their position, I guess. If responsible breeders are to breed to standard, where does parti-color come in -- it is nowhere in the standard. I think they are cute, just like I think a yorkie-poo, a 12 pound yorkie, or a chocolate yorkie is cute -- but I guess I just am not so sure any of those should be bred. I would even love to have a chocolate yorkie -- as a result of an anomaly not intentional.

But, I don't understand why AKC is registering them when the standard specifically says only the four color combination. If the standard for color can be ignored then what about the other standards? Are they important? Should we breed 20 pound Yorkies? Should we breed short, wire-haired Yorkies? What if they have black and gold entermingled hair? How about all one color? I am just asking questions that come to my mind and believe me I am not anywhere near knowledgeable enough to say anything for sure. But I have some BIG QUESTIONS in my mind about the deviations from breed standard.

I want to eventually get into breeding. I am having a difficult time in my own mind justifying all these breed deviations when I am hearing my responsibility as a Yorkshire Terrier breeder is to preserve the characteristics that make this breed unique -- which the black/blue and tan/gold colors are very much a part of. I could be wrong in my first perceptions, and I am open to continue formulating my opinion, too early for me to think all one way or another.

Even if I did have a firm opinion, it would only be that, one person's opinion. The YTCA has issued a position statement against breeding parti-colored Yorkies. The AKC does not allow them to be shown in any conformation type shows. So, it makes me think there is more to the lack of acceptance to the practice of their breeding than just individual opinions. I will continue to follow the subject and see if the AKC ever comes close to endorsing the particolors or the chocolates. If they recognize chocolates some day, I will probably be back in the market for a puppy. So, it is nothing against these puppies at all -- I love them all in or out of standard. But, it is a subject for more thought. I am interested in the opinions of those of you with breeding and show experience.

Not to be mean, but to explain.

New breeds of dogs are being developed and registered all the time. They come from breeding different combinations or for different traits. Then the breeders work to get them Accepted by AKC. Yorkies themselves are a realitively new breed, derived from a combination of many breeds of terriers.

AKC does not allow for showing yet because the breed has not been around long enough and all of the partis are too closely related. Most of the parti coloreds can be traced back to Crownridge and Summit yorkies. They are the ones that got AKC to register them.

There are many breeds out there that are not yet being shown, not just parti colored yorkies.

YTCA needs to get with the program or they'll be replaced by another organization.


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