wow browniesmom.... youre very passionate, ill give you that..... but i see both sides pretty clearly and can understand why you would want to use one, and why you wouldnt.... some dogs just dont get the stay command when they have "tunnel vision", nothing matters except that one thing they are chasing (even if they chase it out in front of a moving car) the shock collar when set to a low setting does not hurt, it only gives a mild irritation, when it is set HIGH is when you need to be concerned, lucynfred did homework and experimented with teh collar before they decided to do it (i applaud that most people just set it on the high setting and let them have it)... on teh other hand these are small dogs that are very sensitive (especially there little throats.... i would also like to remind some of you that crate training was thought to be cruel as well at one point and time ( and they are great!! the dogs even think so!!) ....
So, now that we see both sides...... everyone is allready set in their frame of mind and no one is going to be dissuaded to the other side so i agree with camillaK and "agree to disagree".... or in my case stay somewhere in the middle :p

Furthermore........ does anyone on this board use the citranella collar? ive seen it in the magazines and have not heard of anyone actually using it

Like others have posted everyone has there own opinion. I believe all dogs can be trained in away that dosen't cause harm to them and I realize we all have our own opinion on what harm is. My three furbabies give me unconditional love no matter what. They have been very challenging to train at times and still are not perfect, but neither am I :p . I think there are a lot of better way to teach your pet then to zap :eek: them everytime they don't mind. Does it cause any damage to them in the long run :confused: Everyone thinks there way of training is best. My dogs come to me because they love me, does you dog come to you because he loves you or because he is scared he is going to be zapped?
Browniesmom I am glad you a passionate on what you believe, we need more people like you, I can tell you love your furbabies
These are my opinions and I hope in the future members continues to share there opinions even If others don't agrees with it................Cindy

browniesmom........ where did you learn to crochet? not many young people do that nowadays

my friend taught me and i go to lots of webpages that show you how to do other things
i love it i can sit here all day and do it i made a blanket a bib and i making another blanket:)


thank you maddie i am very passionate on what i believe even more when i think its so wrong
and i think there would be no point of any forum if nobody had an opinion :)

Well ........ my cat finally warmed up to toby when we went to my moms house today........ she was rubbing her head up against him and everything......... UNFORTUNATLY toby thought that was the "play time" que and started going into play mode (this cat likes mellow dogs that she can rub against, none of our dogs have really cared or touched her back) SO HE STARTED TO JUMP ALL OVER HER, HE WAS ACTUALLY STANDING ON HER BACK :eek: (she is bigger than he is....... i think she is twice his size because she weighs about 10 + lbs and he is only 4lbs) well needless to say she really isnt used to this behavior and wasnt happy about it at all....... she swated him upside the head a few times... and hissed.........lol (its not as bad as it sounds because when she swats she doesnt use claws).... toby thought she was playing with him! ...... it was really funny, the whole interaction between the two was absolutly histerical

That picture is too adorable. I hope my JD and Toby(cat) become that close. :)

Citronella Collar
 

Orinskye, to answer your question about the citronella collar, it is the most effective product, according to Cornell Univ., for barky dogs. The citronella burst happens only when there is enough throat vibration to set off a mechanism which mists the dog. The collar is effective for barking, but the owner cannot control the mist for other misbehaviors, as one can with vibrating or other collars, which have handheld remotes or some other mechanism for alerting the dog.

The spray bottle method works well for barking too -- I've used it on all my dogs in the past except Dean. Only one of our dogs now is a barker, and she was abused -- came from a shelter -- and we try to avoid ALL forms of negative stuff with her. She just got too anxious about the spray bottle though, so we tried a 'quiet' command while sitting with her (less likely to bark if your sitting next to them or petting them.) This works okay, but we're still trying to overcome her totally irrational fear of the UPS guy. She shows special disdain for men in uniform with boxes, packages, bug spray containers, tool bags, etc. Training has been super difficult with her (five years and she's much much better) and she will sometimes only follow commands for treats inside the house. (I.e., she never follows the down command outside).

Average price range on the collar is $65 up. Widely available. Fiance's sister used vibrating collar on her lab, but it was not effective. The dog just tried to look down at her neck. That was $40. BTW, shock collars are totally ineffective on dogs that have been abused or were trained based on fear. We never use the collar on Lucy because of this and have to find real friendly, Pavlovian ways to train her.

Wanted to let this thread cool before I made another post .... :cool: