Strange Love @--{-------
 

I WAS LAYING THERE CROCHETING AND I LOOK NEXT TO ME AND THIS IS WHAT I SAW >>
http://hometown.aol.com/tigga0022/myhomepage/dog.html

lol....... that is too funny, my cat still avoids toby like the plague ( she likes all the other dogs :confused: guess shes just jealous)

tooo cute!
 

That picture is too adorable! My cat hates my yorkies....actually he tolerates them somewhat. And they all sleep on our bed together. lol
:D

Precious! The cat seems pretty layed back. Our cat was chased relentlessly by our terrier mix until we got his no-no collar, so the cat will have nothing to do with Yorkie Dean. Hisses at everyone now. He'll adjust though. He let Dean sniff him for a few seconds on the couch last night -- but then the cat was off to his hiding place. Dean gave me this look like, "do I smell bad or somethin'?"

No-no collar?
 

What's a no-no collar? :rolleyes:

Nice name for a shock collar. Hank's the terrier mix, 30 lber, got some strong terrier ratting instinct in him [the one that terrorizes the cat]. There's a handheld unit that's like a remote, and it gives him a 1/5 of a second zap with a button. We tested it on ourselves first. (We're a curious bunch in this household.) It felt tingly-shocky-itchy on the 2 setting, so we don't go above that unless Hank's just not responding.

I was unsure at first if I wanted to get one, but after seeing him run up and down the hall chasing shadows and the laser pointer and the ball for about 4 hours straight one day, I decided we might try. It's been great.

On the sock collar, first I am not judging your way of training, because I don't know Hank and you know what is best for your dog. Wouldn't the zap feel different on a 30 pound dog than on a 100+ pound person :confused: I know dogs have different personalities I have a strong willed one myself that tries my paitents everyday but, I feel there are other ways to discourage unwanted behavior. I would hate to think everytime I did something wrong I would be zapped....................Cindy :)

GRRRRRRRRRRRR :mad: :mad:

maddie-rudie-mom, shock collar
 

It is possible that it does. But here's my rational, which may be right or wrong:

The shock is hitting his skin the same way it's hitting mine, and the "feeling" is only felt where the collar meets the skin on human or dog. Dogs, lacking sweat glands and therefore lacking much moisture at the skin level, quite possibly feel the sensation less. They also have thicker skin and much more hair. In the case of Hank, he's running after Lord knows what, heart pounding, adrenaline rushing, feeling on top of the world. I was sitting at my kitchen table and probably had been sitting there for 15 minutes. I touched this collar on the hairless inside of my arm between the wrist and the elbow. I felt it, but it was not what I consider painful. But it wasn't comfortable either.

It is okay for y'all to judge my methods, and in fact I encourage that. But for me and my dog to be able to enjoy each other better, the collar provides a way for me to get his attention when he is overexcited -- as Hank usually tends to be. I am okay with that and if anyone else isn't, trust me, I felt the same way you did once. I purchased the collar, tested the sensation on myself, and THEN made the decision to use it. It has become the most effective training tool I could find for my super high-strung fetchaholic. I've seen Hank cower at the sight of the choke chain (no prongs.) He has never cowered when I put the shock collar on and knows he gets to "play" because he fetches while we train, something I can't do on a lead b/c he's so fast.

I would rather have a dog that suffered mild irritation while having fun, but otherwise had a good time learning and isn't dead b/c he can "lay down" or "stay" when it becomes imperative that he do so. I can think of numerous times I knew I would suffer from strenuous exercise, but have worked out hard nonetheless only to be really sore the next day. I have drunk in excess a few times, knowing I'd have a hangover the next day. I have mountain biked b/c it's fun, but it's also dangerous and I've been injured, but I still enjoy it; I didn't give up b/c it hurt a bit when I got scrapes or my wrists and pelvis ached. Because my dog can't make decisions like this, I make them for him -- for his ultimate safety.

He lays down on command. If he gets distracted by a squirrel across the street, he's the kind of dog that would chase -- be gone in a split second -- even after good training. I don't suppose me going on ad nauseum is going to convince someone who already has their mind made up, but here is my take on it nonetheless. :)

i still say GRRRRR:(
how would you like it if everytime you said something you got shocked or
if your mother wanted you to sit and stay on the couch you got shocked

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR! !!! :mad: :mad:

You are free to make assumptions about how the collar works, but let me explain what we do:

He only gets shocked if he doesn't follow the command. He is given corrections only if he continues to do something (chase) after being told "no." He is currently running up and down my 15 foot hallway chasing shadows, which he'll do until bedtime, and when we go to the park tomorrow he'll do the same thing, fetching, wagging his tail with his tongue hanging out the whole time. Either way, it works well for me. It works well for him. If you still don't care for it, that's fine.

I have the capability to tell myself I don't need to run out the door after the pizza guy b/c he smells yummy and I wanna meet him. My dog can't. So, he is told to sit and he sits until he is "freed" from the command. Then he gets the ball thrown and is happy. If he doesn't sit, he gets shocked, and he eventually follows the command and is then still rewarded. He is not in a shelter b/c he's a rowdy dog, and we are happy with how well he has come for as extremely active as he is.

well i seee most of the people here are not going to agree with you
encluding ME
i dont see how you put in shock collar when i showed my dog a cat sleeping together
this is my opinion and most of the people here agree
that is completely wrong what you do to your dog

if your dog doesnt sit he needs to be told sit agAIn not shocked it takes a long time to train a dog
if you didnt want a hyper dog you shouldnt have gotten a terrier
they are very hyper
how would you like it if you got the giggles and i shocked you
or if you laughted to much or talked to much
i dont see the big deal with the dog playing with a shadow
mabee you need to buy your dog a toy mabee if he had something to keep him busy you wouldnt have that problem
my brownie was in and out or his cage about 15 times today cause he was going crazy barking in the window
i could easy get one of those collars for him but id rather listen to him bark then hurt him
i wouldnt like it if i came home late i got shocked or if i talked to much or i ran threw the house happy

if you have kids when there about 5 and 6 years old they talk alot just think if you wanted the kid to shut up would you slap it
THIS IS ALL MY OPINION^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^MY OPINION !!

P.S GRRRRRRRRRRR

This thread is getting kind of harsh. How about dropping the subject and just agree to disagree.

Thats Why I Said That Its My Opinion
Everyone Can Have There Own

Indeed. And just in case anyone is curious about options besides bark collars, the humane society recommends either a spray bottle with water, and you spritz the dog when he barks, while using verbal commands, or the citronella collar, which spritzes the dog when you are not around if he barks. I know nothing about the citronella collar but it is just info I found. I don't use anything with Cecilia. She only barks if she needs something or if she is in heavy play mode and needs attention. Whatever method of training you use, just do research to find the best that suits you and your "kids". :)

wow browniesmom.... youre very passionate, ill give you that..... but i see both sides pretty clearly and can understand why you would want to use one, and why you wouldnt.... some dogs just dont get the stay command when they have "tunnel vision", nothing matters except that one thing they are chasing (even if they chase it out in front of a moving car) the shock collar when set to a low setting does not hurt, it only gives a mild irritation, when it is set HIGH is when you need to be concerned, lucynfred did homework and experimented with teh collar before they decided to do it (i applaud that most people just set it on the high setting and let them have it)... on teh other hand these are small dogs that are very sensitive (especially there little throats.... i would also like to remind some of you that crate training was thought to be cruel as well at one point and time ( and they are great!! the dogs even think so!!) ....
So, now that we see both sides...... everyone is allready set in their frame of mind and no one is going to be dissuaded to the other side so i agree with camillaK and "agree to disagree".... or in my case stay somewhere in the middle :p

Furthermore........ does anyone on this board use the citranella collar? ive seen it in the magazines and have not heard of anyone actually using it

Like others have posted everyone has there own opinion. I believe all dogs can be trained in away that dosen't cause harm to them and I realize we all have our own opinion on what harm is. My three furbabies give me unconditional love no matter what. They have been very challenging to train at times and still are not perfect, but neither am I :p . I think there are a lot of better way to teach your pet then to zap :eek: them everytime they don't mind. Does it cause any damage to them in the long run :confused: Everyone thinks there way of training is best. My dogs come to me because they love me, does you dog come to you because he loves you or because he is scared he is going to be zapped?
Browniesmom I am glad you a passionate on what you believe, we need more people like you, I can tell you love your furbabies
These are my opinions and I hope in the future members continues to share there opinions even If others don't agrees with it................Cindy

browniesmom........ where did you learn to crochet? not many young people do that nowadays

my friend taught me and i go to lots of webpages that show you how to do other things
i love it i can sit here all day and do it i made a blanket a bib and i making another blanket:)


thank you maddie i am very passionate on what i believe even more when i think its so wrong
and i think there would be no point of any forum if nobody had an opinion :)

Well ........ my cat finally warmed up to toby when we went to my moms house today........ she was rubbing her head up against him and everything......... UNFORTUNATLY toby thought that was the "play time" que and started going into play mode (this cat likes mellow dogs that she can rub against, none of our dogs have really cared or touched her back) SO HE STARTED TO JUMP ALL OVER HER, HE WAS ACTUALLY STANDING ON HER BACK :eek: (she is bigger than he is....... i think she is twice his size because she weighs about 10 + lbs and he is only 4lbs) well needless to say she really isnt used to this behavior and wasnt happy about it at all....... she swated him upside the head a few times... and hissed.........lol (its not as bad as it sounds because when she swats she doesnt use claws).... toby thought she was playing with him! ...... it was really funny, the whole interaction between the two was absolutly histerical

That picture is too adorable. I hope my JD and Toby(cat) become that close. :)

Citronella Collar
 

Orinskye, to answer your question about the citronella collar, it is the most effective product, according to Cornell Univ., for barky dogs. The citronella burst happens only when there is enough throat vibration to set off a mechanism which mists the dog. The collar is effective for barking, but the owner cannot control the mist for other misbehaviors, as one can with vibrating or other collars, which have handheld remotes or some other mechanism for alerting the dog.

The spray bottle method works well for barking too -- I've used it on all my dogs in the past except Dean. Only one of our dogs now is a barker, and she was abused -- came from a shelter -- and we try to avoid ALL forms of negative stuff with her. She just got too anxious about the spray bottle though, so we tried a 'quiet' command while sitting with her (less likely to bark if your sitting next to them or petting them.) This works okay, but we're still trying to overcome her totally irrational fear of the UPS guy. She shows special disdain for men in uniform with boxes, packages, bug spray containers, tool bags, etc. Training has been super difficult with her (five years and she's much much better) and she will sometimes only follow commands for treats inside the house. (I.e., she never follows the down command outside).

Average price range on the collar is $65 up. Widely available. Fiance's sister used vibrating collar on her lab, but it was not effective. The dog just tried to look down at her neck. That was $40. BTW, shock collars are totally ineffective on dogs that have been abused or were trained based on fear. We never use the collar on Lucy because of this and have to find real friendly, Pavlovian ways to train her.

Wanted to let this thread cool before I made another post .... :cool: